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4 hours ago, Matthew9969 said:
And you still insist on worshipping Jehovah through them, your smart mind is a paradox.
That's the part I don't get either.
17 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:It is SO LUDICROUS I would very much like to believe it is not true ... but if it can be PROVEN true, I will HAVE to accept that down here on Earth, Jehovah's Chariot has been transformed into a circus clown car.
The Governing Body was forced by the ARC to admit in the Feb. 2017 Watchtower that they are "neither inspired of God or infallable".
I don't think if it were proven true that it would make any difference to you JTR. You'd still throw your hat in their camp, because its the best game in town, in your view. You've said as much. Your last sentence is a complete contradiction of what they have said for years and years, but its still not enough to convince you that this group the jws/wt is following men, use to be 7 men and now 8 again. You had mentioned in a different post that you are with the jws and it doesn't matter who is in charge or leading the group. While I agree that there are some fine folks who are jws and moral people they are for the most part, its still lemming mentality to continue to follow the group just because they are nice people being led by who knows. I will also apologize now for singling out just you here, I am sorry, I do not mean to make you upset or have a distaste for me. I like you, I like your sense of humor and your wit, and that is why I singled you out.
I would hope that instances like this would make a person pause, take a step back and take an honest look at what is being taught/told/demanded of jws. The compounding problems that are coming up from this org should be enough for people to open their eyes and do diligent research on EVERYTHING, but sadly many are in a position in which they either cannot leave due to family, or are so blinded that they cannot see what is going on. When a group tells its people be ready to obey our instruction no matter how crazy we sound, that right there should be a red flag. Ignoring the obvious doesn't make it go away. I see it daily, the jws keep on the edge of their seats waiting for the next hoop that they need to jump through to look good to each other. Its like high school, except in high school we didn't know any better and now as adults some still need that social group to belong to and refuse to grow up.
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Do you know who the two chaps in the video are? Gary Breaux and Ralph Walls
Are these not legit folks high up in the wt?
Haven't there been other videos with these guys speaking before?
I understand you trust no one, but its hard not to when its coming from their own mouths.
Is it possible that you, and others, are trying really hard NOT to believe its real?
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On 1/26/2018 at 11:57 PM, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:
Did you happen to watch the full video yet?
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On 12/30/2017 at 6:14 AM, Nana Fofana said:
It's talk about one sunrise that slowly develop, yatt u not gatt borrtt.
Or maybe you can say, is won way u can walk opright, ["righteous" , gatt it?]
Main plaice you walking?
Out of babylonss!
Dey [babysslons] were in darksness - hevving sstarrgayssers- NOT hevv tolt dey derstrahcktion.
Hendwrite vass on wall! Dey kootz-not read!!
Yatt WE walks out - patth straight and clear because light on path ahead- u looks at dat.
Dis -keep had opright
Daystar dawn in heart! [ you so happy!]
everr-increasse-light ovv MORNINK, Starzz fate -out.
[DEY GRATELY OVVERRAITTET ALL- ALONKSS]
What is this? Mockery? Are you serious here? You have just demonstrated your position on the subject and it is lacking. Instead of supporting your stance, you dodge it with a diversion such as this. I'm pretty sure you have supported your positions in the past quite well, but here you failed.
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13 hours ago, Jay Witness said:
They are telling people how to SLEEP.
Incredible.
"All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not." Watchtower 2013 Nov 15 p.20
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9 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:
"..apostate LIES!"
What are you going to call it when it is true? Spiritual food?
9 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:No reasonable adult is THAT stupid
No need for them to be THAT stupid, its already been declared that jws should follow the direction no matter how stupid.
"All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not." Watchtower 2013 Nov 15 p.20
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here is a nice comment or two made in the video:
"The male animal has no season in which he is not willing to engage in the breeding act"
"a brother sits on the lap of one of his male friends..." - Gary Breaux
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23 minutes ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:
What !?
WHAT !?
I GOTTA see this !
Where?
"Pillowgate" Hahahaha !
Videos for bethelites to come out on the 27th. Stay tuned
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12 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:
When I see one walk into a forest with an ax, a rifle, a knife, and carve a life out of nothing, and be totally self supporting .... THAT is a Pioneer.
When I see one walk into Bethel with a pillow, blanket and a dirty mag, and be totally self satisfying.....THAT is a Bethelite.
Seriously, how weird does it have to be there for the wt to have to make videos about self pleasure, one for the guys and one for the girls. Now that is a leaked video, pillowgate 2018 brought to you by wt. Can't wait for the sign language version to come out.
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11 hours ago, Space Merchant said:
For me, glorying God is an everyday thing (24/7/365 non-stop), the same for my relatives, the same for our family in both Belize, the Virgin Islands and in the US, time is taken out each day to speak of God, who Jesus is, people who followed Jesus and various things, examples being those in Jesus' genealogy as well as the not so much talked about two female ministers mentioned in the New Testament, in doing so we show we truly love God by talking, learning, applying what we've learn and so forth, build up faith, the thing that makes us Christian.
of course we give glory to God daily, as did the Jews, but there are also separate festivals/feasts in which we can elaborate or worship. I also agree with you on not allowing outside influence to slip into what we choose to do for our festivals.
11 hours ago, Space Merchant said:We must also take into account that the only one capable of judging is God himself
Yes, however it has been said MANY times by jws that "true christians" do not celebrate this or that. Those are judging statements and as I said are in direct contrast with scripture.
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16 hours ago, Space Merchant said:
think I made myself pretty clear on my last comment.
I don't celebrate Christmas not just for religious reasons, but cultural reasons too, in fact, I have never celebrated it because that was how my family was brought up out of Belize and into the US, for my family had always believed some holidays not only have pagan roots, but forms of Druidism and other things. I don't take issue for one's free will to choose if they want to celebrate it or a holiday or not, I am not stopping them, even thought I view it as something that is not right. However, if someone comes to me and says to me Jesus was born December 25th, when me, knowing that Tishri (month of Ethanim) wasn't a cold day, when Chislev (November/December) and Tebeth (December/January), as well as the Shepherds being out in the month of Ethanim. In short, the mixing of Holy Days with Man-Made traditions. Anything to with the Sun God, the Yule worship and Druidism, along with a list of many reasons as why many avoid it.
I hold on to these views strongly and I don't consider Jesus being used to reap profit.
I understand what you are saying. I don't partake in the Santa Claus thing nor yule,sun god or the like. Me and my family simply choose to celebrate the birth of Jesus at that time. I guess what I wanted to get across was the fact that the Bible allows such celebration as long as it is to the Glory of God. While not all choose to celebrate, which is fine, no one has the right to judge....make a statement that "true Christians" don't or anything along those lines, because that is in direct contrast to Colossians 2:16.
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11 hours ago, Space Merchant said:
In regards to what I stated or you wanting me to explain how I view those verses? Assuming you want me to answer on my stance on Christ, The Sabbath and also about Holidays?
my question was about the celebration of Jesus birth, no matter what day it is done. Since Romans 14 tells us that each of us decides in his or her own heart on what day is above another, as long as it is to the glory of God, then Colossians 2 tells us that no one is to judge us by it. I wanted to know if you see it that way as well? or is there some other scripture that you believe overrides this? Or am I just wrong?
That is what I was asking.
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13 hours ago, DeeDee said:
I am sorry, but I am not permitted to tell you.
Huh?
11 hours ago, DeeDee said:Jesus would disagree with you...My word must be good for all time, not just for while it is convenient for me ["yes" means yes].
Then what you are really saying is that you think Jesus wants you to remain loyal to pagan rituals and rules? You made an oath while pagan, to which you agree is to the side of evil, and you think Jesus wants you to keep that oath? I really don't think you believe that, instead I think you made stuff up to try and look good, and now that you got caught, you have to keep up the pretending.
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16 hours ago, DeeDee said:
Yes, I'm sure there is no confirmation of any continuation.
Records were not kept to PROVE continuation...
In the same way, I don't know who are the parents of my grandparents in my own family.
But that does not stop people (once called Bible Students) from freely choosing to become followers of Jesus' teachings by obeying all of his commandments.
I am not saying that they are a "physical" continuation.
Rather, they are a "spiritual" continuation.
hogwash and wishful thinking. If they in fact were a continuation of "spiritual" disciples, then they would have never deviated from what you claim is the "truth". They would have never celebrated Christmas nor worshiped Jesus. So your argument falls flat. You can try and spin with words, but it just doesn't add up.
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17 hours ago, DeeDee said:
Note that this Scripture is pointing out that the light "shines as far as the west."
If you are facing east, then you can see the actual lightning bolt as it is striking.
However, if you are facing west, then you CANNOT SEE the bolt of lightning...all you see is the EFFECT of the lightning.
So, in the same way, you CANNOT SEE Jesus, but you can see the effect of his coming.
You really want me to believe that if you are standing outside with your friends at night and its dark, lightning strikes on the other side of the house you're at and someone says " I saw lightning", you are going to say "nope not me, I didn't see the bolt so it wasn't lightning". So what about those who are on the side of the house where the bolt was, did they see it? Would those then see Jesus? Yes of course they would.
That is about the most intellectually dishonest statement I think I've heard about this subject. You must think any non jw is stupid.
That's fine if you want to try and convince yourself that you cannot see Him. I personally cannot accept that nonsense. I guess I'll be judged by God for taking His word too literally, instead of taking what a group of men interpret it to mean.
I'm sorry if you think I am being harsh, but just stop and think about it for a moment. Men have told you that Jesus came invisibly and scripture says "every eye will see Him" (Rev 1:7). The context of Matt 24:24-27 is saying that there will come some people saying that Jesus has come but you can't see Him (inner rooms, in the desert, etc.). That fits the wt exactly, but some have been so blinded and duped by these men that they just cannot see.
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Just now, DeeDee said:
The Scriptures say that he will come "on," "in," or "with" the clouds.
If he were "on" a cloud, the cloud would block our view of him.
If he were "in" a cloud, the same is true.
If he were "with" the clouds, then it would also seem to be the same result.
In any of these cases, he would be invisible to man's "physical" view.
He is seen by the signs that he gave at Matt. 24.
He is seen with the eyes of faith, not the "physical" eyes.
How would one perceive to know that lightning occurred according to the scripture I quoted?
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6 minutes ago, DeeDee said:
No, there is no PROOF that they were NOT a continuation of the disciples because they would recognize the need to change.
The Bible's words provide the PROOF of a true follower of Jesus.
1. Yes, Satan is blinding and deceiving people on a full-time basis.
2. Today, we have very fast and easy access to the entire Bible's contents. But this was not the case in the first century. Remember, they were reading off of scrolls. So it would take much more time to analyze a writing from Isaiah or Daniel or Genesis, etc. with what was just being written, or had not even been written yet (Revelation). And, the printing press was not invented until the Fifteenth Century.
right there you just made my point, the first line you wrote. if they needed to change, then they DID NOT continue what the disciples started. You cannot claim they are a continuation and at the same time claim they deviated. Unless you believe that the first disciples got it wrong too.
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10 minutes ago, Space Merchant said:
There was a lot of talk in December of Christmas not being a Christian holiday, even by opponents of Jehovah's Witnesses. There was an interesting video I saw from a brother in Christ about this, he isn't a JW, but he, as many others brought up good points.
Another video by a Christian man, rumored to have died and or been killed (I myself thought he perished), since he was off YouTube for a couple of years, his friends and family said he either died or went off grid and were very worried, but miraculously, he returned (very much alive and wasn't dead after all) and he sees holidays in the same light, not being Christian, and such should not be done by Christians, his channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZ2chBk4nLQ3tXdmGU5F4tw
Plus, we believe that Jesus was born, even though is unknown, around (September-October), something of that sort, I forget what they called the name of that month though, I'd have to look into what it was titled again.
How do you look at this in light of scripture, specifically Romans 14:5&6 and Colossians 2:16?
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1 hour ago, JW Insider said:
I do think that we could still do much better.
And right here is what needs to be done. Do better as a whole. Take into consideration the recommendations from the ARC and Silent Lambs, the courts and the like, to make those changes that will keep the children and people in general safer. Will it be perfect, probably not, but there is so much that can be done. The arrogance from the top of the org to think they know better is appalling.
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36 minutes ago, DeeDee said:
Here are a few more Scriptures that prove how to tell false prophets from true followers of Jesus:
Here is another:
Matthew 24:24-27 "For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you beforehand. 26 So, if they say to you, ‘Look, he is in the wilderness,’ do not go out. If they say, ‘Look, he is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27 For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man."
Clearly here we are told that there will come some who proclaim that Jesus returned and you just didn't see Him, because He came invisibly. That just isn't true and doesn't line up with the Bible which clearly states His return WILL be visible.
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1 hour ago, DeeDee said:
When JW's realized that they were practicing false religion, they stopped. This is a reflection of Prov. 4:18.
but this admittance proves that they were NOT a continuation of the disciples as you claim. If they were then they would not have deviated, unless of course they were led by a power not from God.
1 hour ago, DeeDee said:There is no mention of any groups in the Bible since there were only the new followers of Jesus' teachings. These followers of Jesus became his "disciples."
Then why did you claim that there was? Here is your quote:
2 hours ago, DeeDee said:No, I was not "told" this from "the men who run the wt." The evidence/proof is in the Scriptures themselves. I have read those Scriptures every time I read the entire Bible. The meaning of those words is not changeable, even if the actual words do change. The Bible's message DOES NOT CHANGE.
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4 minutes ago, DeeDee said:
t I will tell you that both "worshipping Jesus" AND "Christmas" are not spoken of in the Bible. Therefore, neither one is a Bible teaching or Bible truth.
but it is a practice that the jws/bible students participated in prior to 1935 or so. So what this means is, your claim "they are the ones who did not follow the false teachings........" cannot be true based on your ideas of what is false teachings.
5 minutes ago, DeeDee said:The evidence/proof is in the Scriptures themselves. I have read those Scriptures every time I read the entire Bible. The meaning of those words is not changeable, even if the actual words do change. The Bible's message DOES NOT CHANGE.
There is no mention of jws/bible students, as the groups we know today/last century, in the Bible. So your claim that they are the continuation of the disciples, is false unless you can provide proof otherwise.
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1 minute ago, DeeDee said:
To learn what the earlier teachings are, is irrelevant to learning the truth about the Bible's true message.
You are correct, but the topic being discussed is what you posted:
2 hours ago, DeeDee said:They are a continuation of the first disciples. They were the ones who did not follow the false teachings that were being promoted by some of the early followers. In earlier times, they were simply referred to as the Bible Students. In 1931 they adopted the name "Jehovah's Witnesses." This name was derived from a number of Scriptures.
You need to prove such claims, and without proof then I may as well just say that cats are the direct lineage of the teachers of the bible students. If I said it it must be true, just as you have been told that jws/bible students are a continuation from the disciples by men who run the wt, so it also must be true.
by the way, I proved to you in a earlier response that your "they are the ones who did not follow the false teachings........" cannot be true based on your ideas of what is false......Worshiping Jesus and Christmas.
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3 minutes ago, DeeDee said:
Yes, this "simply" CAN be the case... Though there are many who choose to scoff at the WT noting Proverb 4:18, this Scripture clearly indicates WHY things HAVE changed and WILL CONTINUE to change.
How can you even believe that. The wt has gone from worshiping Jesus in the 1920's and celebrating Christmas to none of that in less than a 60 year span. So the basics of the beliefs are not even close to the original founding. Again, is there any documentation about the bible students in the 1500's? 1600's? anything prior to the late 1800's?
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I can appreciate and understand COMPLETELY your position. It is also the reason why I decided to cancel my subscription to participate in the armed forces. Your point is very valid and your perspective is a correct one. I too have a different view of that exact structure and what it fosters.
I fully acknowledge that the leadership of military organizations is chocked full of folks who have no business being in the positions they are in. It was my personal experiences that led me to reject that form of employment. I worked in many of the places that the "brass" did because of my abilities and training, I was secure comm and was slotted to become one of the elite. What I could not handle and agree with were the very things you mention. I could not continue to support an organization that deliberately went against morality to save face for a few, all the while putting those under them in harms way because of it. So I left. It really is no difference in the corporate world, except your are not there to protect anything but the higher ups bonus and no one is in harms way.
When this philosophy is attached my eternal destiny, and not just my paycheck, things take a very different course of action. I do not throw my hat in ANY ring! Do I have fellowship? yes. Do I have those whom I seek for help on Spiritual matters? yes. Are they the end all be all and no questions when it comes to their interpretation? no. I cannot allow someone else to take the rudder out of my hands on something so important as this. Am I perfect and have all of the answers? no, but who is the one to answer to God when that day comes? Me and only me. So when I see organizations, such as the wt, make such high demands upon their members without the ability for them to question or disagree, I have to speak up about it.
I am no prophet nor fortuneteller, but I strongly believe you will never see this happen, no one will. The reason why is the mistakes being made are far to serious and underhanded to be forgotten or dismissed to the educated mind. As our world progresses so does common knowledge (we hope), and it is only a matter of time before the truth about the "truth" comes out in such a way that the society/wt goes the way of the dodo. People are only as stupid as they allow themselves to be. If people choose to hide their head in the sand and ignore what is really going on, they will be ignorant and accept whatever is being fed to them. The history of this org and their claims and practices should be enough, but at this point it isn't. One must now look into the past and compare the current teachings, if the material isn't lost or changed, and truly see if God is backing their actions. I have researched these things and cannot believe that God has anything to do with this org. Just like you said "All civilizations grow and evolve, and the casualties are ENORMOUS. The United States of America has committed innumerable sins and evils in it's pursuit of righteousness, equity and Justice ... and is continuing to do so." , but none of the civilizations were the answer to our eternal destiny. It is a growth process, but you can only grow so very far by tyranny. Tyranny like those of the Pharaohs and Pharisees is what we are looking at within the wt from my view.