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Why does Jehovah God forbid tattoos?
Shiwiii replied to James Thomas Rook Jr.'s topic in Jehovah’s Witnesses's Topics
lol, superstitious much? -
Why does Jehovah God forbid tattoos?
Shiwiii replied to James Thomas Rook Jr.'s topic in Jehovah’s Witnesses's Topics
YES! I love this answer, not because I have tattoo's ( I don't) but because when it boils down to it EVERYTHING you do or do not do is between you and God. Each should make up his/her own mind on the things they choose in life and not let "man" decide for you. -
Father's Day and Jehovah's Witnesses
Shiwiii replied to Jack Ryan's topic in Jehovah’s Witnesses's Topics
This is quoted from the link posted by the Librarian. The Bible does not speak of any such thing in these supporting verses and stating that "the Bible makes it clear" is misleading and in error. Exodus 20:3 "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." Who is claiming that their earthly father is a god? No one I have ever met thinks this way nor celebrates their father like he is a god. Luke 4:8 "And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve." I have never heard of, or seen for that matter, anyone worshiping their earthly father. Worship is not even associated with father's day. 2 Cor. 6:17 "Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you." Context shows that this verse has nothing to do with earthly fathers, but rather those who practice the things that God does not approve. Since celebrating father's day has NOT been established by these supporting scriptures, then it is only an assumption created by men who govern peoples lives and not a biblical command. Thus there is NO sound reason from the Bible to forbid people to celebrate and be thankful for the great fathers out there who guide and protect their children. -
The Bible does not speak of any such thing in these supporting verses and stating that "the Bible makes it clear" is misleading and in error. Exodus 20:3 "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." Who is claiming that their earthly father is a god? No one I have ever met thinks this way nor celebrates their father like he is a god. Luke 4:8 "And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve." I have never heard of, or seen for that matter, anyone worshiping their earthly father. Worship is not even associated with father's day. 2 Cor. 6:17 "Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you." Context shows that this verse has nothing to do with earthly fathers, but rather those who practice the things that God does not approve. Since celebrating father's day has NOT been established by these supporting scriptures, then it is only an assumption created by men who govern peoples lives and not a biblical command. Thus there is NO sound reason from the Bible to forbid people to celebrate and be thankful for the great fathers out there who guide and protect their children.
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Early Christians Believed in the Trinity
Shiwiii replied to Cos's topic in Jehovah’s Witnesses's Topics
So I have a question HollyW, does this quote from the watchtower reveal that the watchtower itself aligned with the US during the war? I thought they had nothing to do with war? Can anyone else reconcile this? I mean the expression below indicates that they did and approved of the outcome based upon their understanding of the Bible and God: "Let there be praise and thanks-giving to God for the promised glorious outcome of the war, the breaking of the shackles of autocracy, the freeing of the captives (Isaiah 61:1) and the making of the world safe for the common people--blessings all assured by the Word of God to the people of this country and of the whole world of mankind." Which side was YOUR God on? We see in the quote from HollyW that they supported the US in the war, but there is also a letter written to Hitler aligning themselves with him? -
lol, dang it!
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It is a template, I agree but it puts restrictions and limitations. I understand your position and have seen the world through the same lens before. I try my very best to not assign labels to people based on their opinions, as times I fail though. I DO assign labels to groups who profess to have the whole truth and anyone and everyone outside of the group is in the wrong. This is a narrow minded view held by MANY religious organizations. There are many religions who claim they are God's chose people, the only ones who know what God wants and the sole channel for communicating with God. Hogwash to all of that mess. If God wanted an strict group or organization, He would have laid out the structure and rules within the Bible. Some will argue that that IS what the Bible says, I beg to differ and would gladly discuss this in depth as long as it is an intellectually honest discussion. Of course there will be people who won't do anything unless they are told, and others who will be so stubborn as to not receive correction or guidance, but on the other hand you have those who DO ponder their relationship with God and other people without outside influence (other people's/groups opinions). I would have to disagree with you. The eunuch from Ethiopia was not a part of ANY organization and nor did he have any agency to guide him when he was speaking with Phillip. The lands that the early disciples went to and converted folks had no "agency" as told to us in the Bible. Also, Paul and Barnabas did not appeal to an agency about those in Jerusalem over the idea of circumcision of the gentiles, but rather corrected the Pharisees (who converted) about bringing additional restrictions/ unfair yoke, upon the believers.
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"Its a good life" An excellent film. understood and I agree that some really feel it is loving. I just wish people could take a step back , not unlike Captain VonTrapp, and take a real good look at the situation. Why does there have to be a group? Couldn't one just read and abide by the Bible alone without additional material? What about the Ethiopian eunuch? He wasn't part of Phillip's group after the encounter and we are left to believe that that eunuch was just fine. Not saying that one should not fellowship, but why does it have to be so black and white? I do not feel that life and our relationship with God is black and white. What I mean here is that what we consider black or wrong, probably is, but is also a tool used by God to show us stubborn people the error of our ways. Look at all of the failures of the people within the Bible. Peter, even after believing, got it wrong and was corrected. Couldn't this also be an example for us? Not everything we do is right or wrong, so why put it in such a box that one must be "loved" into conformity?
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Interesting....... I noticed you said "we" in the first statement I quoted and in the second classify this action as evil. Not trying to pry to much into your personal life, but how can one reconcile the two within your own mind? I mean to align oneself with a group that practices things that you deem evil. While I quite agree that the practice encompasses more than the intended victim and puts innocent ones in that same line of fire, but does it work? Of course it does, by the exact examples you gave above. That doesn't make it right or loving, even if it is told to the group that it is out of love. The whole thing reminds me of the boy who wishes people into the cornfield. -----Rod Serling
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No it is not, but it also matters not. Shiwi is a native american word from the Zuni tribe
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This scripture is stating that JESUS said to go sell their coat and buy a sword!
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Nice post, Isn't this exactly what Jesus preached? tolerance to all in humility and kindness, EVEN if they strike your right cheek! The topic of this discussion is what did Jesus (NT) say to do. Matt 5:39, Luke 6:29, Matt 5:40
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Excellent post! Thank you for giving us a little insight into your view of things.
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TTH, I am a he not a she. No hard feelings, I can easily understand the ambiguity of our usernames sometimes. See to answer your questions/points: I do not adhere to what the gb states, I only try to adhere to what the Bible states. That should answer your questions, if not then please by all means start a thread and ask away. I have nothing to hide from you or anyone else.
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I see you have no interest in an actual conversation. Just trying for some sort of avoidance.
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Its more so because defending the syllogism fallacy ( the fallacy that if an apple is red and a car is red, then the car must be an apple) used to support the control of people for harmless practices (someone was bad at a party, so party's must be bad and you cannot attend because we said so) is impossible, so one must take a diversion as to avoid the obvious (find something else to argue against because the point raised is too hard to defend).
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I understand your point and agree with you to an extent. However, this place is for discussion and intellectual banter, a place to gather minds with different perspectives and discuss topics that interest us. While I can see that this is not usually the case, it IS what this forum is for. I just happen to hold a different perspective on some subjects and like to see how the majority of jws view things deemed by the society to be wrong/right. I am here to learn, not what the society teaches, but rather why jws follow their teachings if the logic behind it is flawed (in my opinion of course).
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I will and I do. but that wasn't the point of the thread now was it? It was about pinatas, which are closely tied to birthdays in some cultures.
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I expected a much better response from you. I do understand though.
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my point being is this shouldn't be a decision made by a group of men to determine if you should or should not participate in a birthday celebration. I have looked at many references from the society on birthdays, and honestly find none of them satisfactory in explaining exactly why birthdays are bad. Each instance cited in the Bible and secular support, does nothing to refute that birthdays are bad. In fact the very same logic used to support the birthday ban is the same used to allow other things (pinatas). Awake! 2003 Sep 22 pp.23-24 is your answer on pinatas.
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1. How does 2 Tim 3:16&17 apply to the topic of Birthdays? 2. To use secular reasoning to prohibit birthdays and attach the "pagan" practices to them is the same with pinatas, but the society has stated that since this is no longer the main practice of pinatas, then pinatas are ok now. So by using that same logic, birthdays are ok too, since no one is worshiping the person. Romans 15:4 is referring to the OT, which had nothing to say about the prohibition of birthdays.
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thank you James, that was certainly a fun read. I think the point is the same, anything and everything not specifically prohibited within scripture can be supported either way by our own good conscience and understanding of scripture. A perfect example of this "right" to make up our own minds on the matter is found in Romans 14. 5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. This gives us the right to make up our own minds, and I'm not judging individuals here on their right to abstain from birthdays or cats. I'm merely pointing out the faulty reasoning the society is using to force its followers to adhere to the standards set forth by the gb, when the Bible tells us that individually we can make this decision.
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I'm interested in your point of the beheading being auxiliary. If that is not the major support then what is? Isn't it the beheading that is painting "birthdays" in the Bible in a bad light? From the reasoning book: Definition: The day of one’s birth or the anniversary of that day. In some places the anniversary of one’s birth, especially that of a child, is celebrated with a party and the giving of gifts. Not a Biblical practice. Do Bible references to birthday celebrations put them in a favorable light? The Bible makes only two references to such celebrations: Gen. 40:20-22: “Now on the third day it turned out to be Pharaoh’s birthday, and he proceeded to make a feast . . . Accordingly he returned the chief of the cupbearers to his post of cupbearer . . . But the chief of the bakers he hung up.” Matt. 14:6-10: “When Herod’s birthday was being celebrated the daughter of Herodias danced at it and pleased Herod so much that he promised with an oath to give her whatever she asked. Then she, under her mother’s coaching, said: ‘Give me here upon a platter the head of John the Baptist.’ . . . He sent and had John beheaded in the prison.” Everything that is in the Bible is there for a reason. (2 Tim. 3:16, 17) Jehovah’s Witnesses take note that God’s Word reports unfavorably about birthday celebrations and so shun these. Nothing in scripture states that the celebration of a birthday is prohibited.
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I disagree, Its more so because defending the syllogism fallacy used to support the control of people for harmless practices is impossible, so one must take a diversion as to avoid the obvious.
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So instead of taking my comment as a whole, you choose the easiest portion to argue against. Try addressing the notion that the society sees birthdays as a practice that God dislikes based upon the two instances given in the Bible to support their claim and the point which I have also addressed. So drawing from the society's line of reasoning, naps must also displease God. Is that a true statement? Does God dislike naps? Why? Why not? Using the same logic I would have to think that the society does believe that God dislikes naps....and cats too, but we won't go there just yet.
