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1 hour ago, AllenSmith said:
Then state your opinion properly. You're looking for man's definition to your question, NOT scripture. So your drivel stands.
I asked you for scriptural support, you gave none.
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2 hours ago, Arauna said:
However, can one equate this sin with someone who has tasted the love of Jehovah's spirit and then turned against Jehovah and his organization in full hate and try to stumble as many people as possible? .... this is equal to the sin of Satan - an unpardonable sin.
Could you please provide your scriptural support for this? I don't think I have read the phrase "sin of Satan" nor its description.
2 hours ago, Arauna said:We may be corrected by the congregation (Jehovah) because these are qualities that need to be worked on..
you equate the men who correct you with God Himself?
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3 hours ago, ThePraeceptor said:
This involves handling of judicial matters.
I do not see that in this scripture. That is your assumption, and is perfectly fine to have that opinion, but it does not change the fact that this is not said here. What is said is that one should be humble and accept direction to those who are taking a lead. Nothing is said of administering any sort of punishment.
3 hours ago, ThePraeceptor said:They must make a decision though when someone want's to return.
Return to whom? men or God? To men, yes. To God, no it is between them and God and not a group of men. That is my whole point.
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14 hours ago, AllenSmith said:
Shiwiii: Right, and I agree with you on the point that God knows, but Is there a real difference between willful and out of weakness? Even in weakness we have a conscience. Where in the Bible does it say the degrees of severity of sin?
Answer: Mark 3:28-29 Context: The Unpardonable Sin
28Truly I tell you, the sons of men will be forgiven all sins and blasphemies, as many as they utter. 29But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of eternal sin.
You and HollyW continue the same drivel. You do better to understand scripture, and not just come in to disagree with everything the WTS says. We know your hateful stance in not willing to understand the WTS doctrine, and that it's guided by the inspired word of God. Not men like you people of the Pharisees.
To what level is adultery vs stealing? Does your scriptural reference distinguish this? No, it dos not. Try again.
I have just asked a question if the men of the WT are the ones to determine repentance or is it God, can you address this?
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5 hours ago, Arauna said:
Could they feel that the elders are not reading their repentance correctly?
my point exactly. Who are they to determine the genuine repentance? Is that not God's job?
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This is a great response and one we should all try and live by, however you did nothing to address anything I said. You see, I have no problem with what you wrote, in fact I agree with most of it. The problem I have is that instead of discussing what I wrote, you chose to abandon the conversation and speak about building character. Like I said, I agree for the most part. Unfortunately it just doesn't pertain to the conversation.
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How is this statement accurate in light of scripture?
Ch. 1 par. 9
9 How will God’s Kingdom come? When we pray, “Let
your Kingdom come,” we are asking that the Kingdom take
decisive action. When the Kingdom comes, it will exert its
full power toward the earth. It will remove the present wicked
system of things, including all man-made governments,
and bring in a righteous new world. (Dan. 2:44; 2 Pet. 3:13)I can see how Daniel applies to an extent, but the 2 Peter 3:13 does not. What did Jesus say?
Luke 17:20&21
"Once, on being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, “The coming of the kingdom of God is not something that can be observed, 21 nor will people say, ‘Here it is,’ or ‘There it is,’ because the kingdom of God is in your midst.”
How do you reconcile this book with scripture?
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Aranua, I think you were replying to me on this post. I don't think I am leaving YHWH out of anything, but rather it is the men who call themselves elders who have left YHWH out of it and took it upon themselves to determine who is repentant and who is not. I mean, think about this for a moment, Who establishes the "rule" or criteria for how long a person must "study" WT material before they can be baptized? Is it YHWH or is it men? Looking at the Bible, specifically Acts 8:29-39, what did the Ethiopian have to do? What were the requirements for him? None, but yet there are these requirements made by men within the Org? How about the requirement to show up late and leave early for meetings to prove your repentance to the elders, if one were disfellowshipped, and for how long must one be under this bondage to be considered "good enough"? Did Jesus require this of the thief next to Him in Luke 23:42&43? What was the requirement?
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3 hours ago, Mr_VHC@WNF said:
Hi Shiwii, I understand where you're coming from. The Bible is very clear though who will and will not enter the kingdom.
1 Corinthians 6: 9, 10
Galatians 5: 21
These are just two citations for simplicity. But we make a clear distinction between willful practice of sin and sin out of weakness. Yes, you are right we all sin, but not every sin has the same degree of severity. But the Bible can be used to determined that.
So, your answer is God has decided already what qualifies a person for entry into the Kingdom.
Right, and I agree with you on the point that God knows, but Is there a real difference between willful and out of weakness? Even in weakness we have a conscience. Where in the Bible does it say the degrees of severity of sin?
14 hours ago, Mr_VHC@WNF said:The elders take in account if the sin is still happening. They also look at the type of sin and its effect on the congregation. Granted, elders are not perfect.
My thought on this matter is who does elder so and so think he is by determining who is and who is not repentant? Is that not God's job?
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The comparison between the saving of people from their suffering and the suffering of Jesus are two completely different things. Jesus' suffering was for a direct purpose, to save those who believe in Jesus. The suffering of people has only the purpose of bringing that individual to God, and that is not always a guarantee that they will.
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On 9/13/2016 at 9:57 PM, Charlotte Krokene said:
it is a sin to take your own life
Which scripture do you have in mind to support this? I'm just curious.
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On 9/18/2016 at 11:55 PM, JaniceM said:
I can't see where God would spare those chosen ones from suffering or persecution if he didn't spare even his own son.
You do realize that it wasn't because God didn't want to or couldn't save His own Son, it was to fulfill His purpose. It seems by your statement that you think God couldn't save His own Son.
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On 9/18/2016 at 10:53 PM, Mr_VHC@WNF said:
Someone inactive that returns, cannot still be practicing gross sin.
Who is the one to measure the severity of sin?
Who is to determine if the sin is gross? Men of the KH? They are the door to the sheep?
Is the one who lies any different than the one who commits adultery? Which one is more gross?
Also, who among us does not sin?
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13 hours ago, Melinda Mills said:
He should also keep Christ’s example of good conduct before him and hold a good conscience in connection with his own conduct as a Christian.
This isn't even possible. That is why Jesus came, because we cannot do this on our own. Man could not live according to the law of Moses that was given to him by God, so Jesus came to fulfill the law.
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On 9/19/2016 at 5:12 AM, JW Insider said:
A divine representation of the Almighty Father.
Doesn't Hebrews 1:3 say that Jesus is the EXACT representation or image of God? Not just like, or a representative, but exactly. There isn't a way that Jesus is not exactly like His Father.
"3 He is the
reflection of God’s glorye and the
exact representation of his very
being, and he sustains all things
by the word of his power. And
after he had made a purification
for our sins,g he sat down
at the right hand of the Majesty
on high."How can you say that Jesus is anything but God?
On 9/19/2016 at 5:12 AM, JW Insider said:In other words, even if it had been translated "...sanctify the Christ as Jehovah in your hearts. . ." we should still see it in the sense that Christ has helped us to bring Jehovah into our hearts. It's in the way
Should we not see it just as it says? Jesus is exactly the same in nature, the nature of God Himself.
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41 minutes ago, Eoin Joyce said:
As Ecc.9:5 shows, dead humans are as unconscious as living ones are conscious.
actually that is not what it says. The thoughts make no difference here on Earth after they have left as they cannot interact with those still here, thus they are forgotten. Ecclesiastes 9:5 talks about what is being done "under the sun" It is repeated many times and in each instance it talks about what is being done "under the sun", meaning while we are still alive on Earth. Some examples of this are :
Ecc 1:3 " What do people gain from all their labors at which they toil under the sun? "
Ecc 1:14 "I have seen all the things that are done under the sun; all of them are meaningless, a chasing after the wind."
Ecc 2:8 "I hated all the things I had toiled for under the sun, because I must leave them to the one who comes after me."
Ecc 4:1 " Again I looked and saw all the oppression that was taking place under the sun: I saw the tears of the oppressed— and they have no comforter; power was on the side of their oppressors— and they have no comforter."
Ecc 6:12 "For who knows what is good for a person in life, during the few and meaningless days they pass through like a shadow? Who can tell them what will happen under the sun after they are gone?"
Ecc 9:6 "Their love, their hate and their jealousy have long since vanished; never again will they have a part in anything that happens under the sun."
The verse you mentioned says nothing of the dead being unconscious, but rather their thoughts are meaningless to those who are still here.
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55 minutes ago, Queen Esther said:
HEY.... ADAM WAS PERFECT, JESUS OF COURSE TOO !!
Jesus was MORE perfect, bec. JEHOVA'S LONG TIME LOYAL SON ---
Adam was perfect, but got weak about his wife Eve....
We all know, how strong can be Satan's power !!
JESUS COULD SEE SATAN'S INSIDE DOINGS ! THATS FACT....
Adam not could see that all..... so he sinned !
You Cannot Have A Lessor perfection, It Either is or Is not.
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19 minutes ago, Eoin Joyce said:
Opinion again. Completely a matter of personal conscience.
It's personal conscience to be hypocritical, I agree. Take what you can from others and never give into that in which you take. Hmmmm.
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1 hour ago, Melinda Mills said:
Try to learn something.
The Bible shows that the first human pair were perfect.
(Genesis 1:27-31) And God went on to create the man in his image, in God’s image he created him; male and female he created them. 28 Further, God blessed them, and God said to them: “Be fruitful and become many, fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving on the earth.” 29 Then God said: “Here I have given to you every seed-bearing plant that is on the entire earth and every tree with seed-bearing fruit. Let them serve as food for you. 30 And to every wild animal of the earth and to every flying creature of the heavens and to everything moving on the earth in which there is life, I have given all green vegetation for food.” And it was so. 31 After that God saw everything he had made, and look! it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, a sixth day.
(Deuteronomy 32:4) 4 The Rock, perfect is his activity, For all his ways are justice. A God of faithfulness who is never unjust; Righteous and upright is he.
Since Jehovah God is perfect, how could his creation not be perfect? If someone who creates says he is happy and satisfied that his work is good, who in their right mind would want to argue with that?
(1 Corinthians 15:45) So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living person.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
This scripture alludes to the first perfect man Adam (who did not stay perfect) and it also refers to the last perfect man to walk the earth, Jesus, who was resurrected as a perfect life-giving spirit .
(1 Peter 3:18) For Christ died once for all time for sins, a righteous person for unrighteous ones, in order to lead you to God. He was put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit.
We must pray for understanding of God's Word, as Satan seeks to blind us. (2 Corinthians 4:4) We must apply what we learn to ourselves. Use the time to learn God's will, get close to him and not just to confound others. Time is flying. Apply John 17:3 - Jesus prayed about its importance. Time for humility.
Absolutely not. If Adam were perfect, not only would he not have sinned, just like Jesus who was perfect, but he would also not need a "helper" to complete him as stated in Genesis 2. Why would God say that it is NOT good that Adam was alone? The key words are, God had called His creation of Adam, good...very good, but nowhere does God state perfect. Good, not perfect
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This leads me to the question of :
Should a jw use blood, or even fractions of blood, if they are not willing to donate blood?
Kinda hypocritical isn't it?
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14 hours ago, AllenSmith said:
10 Q. Well, that's what I'm driving at. Perhaps you can
11 address that question specifically, which is this: is
12 there a scriptural basis to that policy or practice, being
13 not to report child sexual abuse allegations to the
14 authorities unless required by law to do so?
15 A. Thank you for the opportunity to explain this.
16 I think very clearly Mr. Toole pointed out that if the
17 Australian Government, in all the States, was to make
18 mandatory reporting, it would make it so much easier for
19 us.This portion of the transcript confirms exactly what I said, They would rather have to be forced to contact authorities then change their policy. This proves that they know the policy is flawed, but are reluctant to change it.
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3 hours ago, AllenSmith said:
Now, your personal opinion about the two witness rule, that who wrote it in scripture, that neither you or Shwiii seem interested in, and “refuse” to acknowledge where it's written, is something you have been blinded by the vast assumptions you have read, by opposer, ex-witnesses that lie now to collect a pay check that are pressured by some crooked lawyer? I have no doubt there are legitimate claims, and I have been to a few. YOU PEOPLE JUST DON'T GET IT. THAT’S NOT THE WAY IT WORKS IN ALL OCCASIONS. It is up to the body of Elders to use their “BEST” judgment on how to proceed with a sensitive matter. Even the ARC was blinded by ignorant opposers. Ex-witnesses that called and emailed them, by thinking…this would be the end of the WTS, they attempted to sensationalize a situation that ultimately the ARC found out it was full of “Lies” and “distortions” just like you are deceptively portraying now.
You either failed to do your research or choose to bury your head in the sand. Mr. Jackson admitted that their policy was flawed, but he wanted the ARC to force mandatory reporting so that the burden would not be on the society. So Mr. Jackson acknowledged that the ARC was not full of "lies", but rather correct.
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1 hour ago, AllenSmith said:
Well I guess your school was as ignorant as you are now. In my school you learned something new each grade!!!!!!!
According to who, You, please!!!!!!! read your own hostile post!!!!!!!!
SO What You Are Telling Me Is That You Learned Things Opposite Of What You Learned From Grade To grade? Not a building block from the grade before? Sad. Education is supposed to be a progression upon what you already learned, not a complete reversal of the grade before.
Is the brochure "Return to Jehovah" missing something?
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Fair enough, as the word used is hēgeomai, but is that with the implication of administering punishment? While you may hand that sort of application over to these men, I do not see it that way. Is there an instance when we should accept correction from those taking lead? Sure, but to what extent? To rule and reign over my conscience and my relationship with God? Never. My relationship does not depend on the ideas or "rules" of men. Just like many other religions of the world who impose punishment over their followers above and beyond what is written, the Bible tells us that is wrong. Going beyond what is written is forbidden. There is a big difference between being encouraged by council and imposing punishment for breaking "their rules". A perfect example is that of military or police service for a member of the WT. If you were to choose that course for your life, Would you not be punished, or rather shunned because you are going against the "rules" established by the WT? Of course you would be. But did anyone in the Bible tell a Roman soldier he must quit being a soldier if he is to become a believer?
Your first statement I agree with to an extent , but can anyone adhere to these principles fully? Hardly. So that makes each one of us sinners, not able to live up to the law. Hence the reason why Jesus came and died for our sins. Ephesians 1 tells us that we are made holy and blameless by the blood of Jesus and yet we are still sinners. We are only clean by means of Jesus and our belief in Him.
To clarify my point, we are in a relationship with Jesus and it is this relationship that sets us apart, as a congregation. There is no man who can tell me I am not a part of the congregation in which Jesus followers are in, regardless of my sin. This is because my heart belongs to Jesus, and fail I will, I still strive to seek after Him.