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44 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

It is only because of the quick wording that the message might be taken that way. He scribbled it hastily to a handful of close people that he thought he knew well, people who would not take offense at his quirky way of phrasing matters. 

He had no idea that Jack was among them and was going to go squealing with it like a two-year old to the WorldWideMedia forum so that 1984-obsessed people could hoo-haw over it.

“How can the shepherd say to the Master that he doesn’t know where the sheep are?” one elder put it.

 

So what?

So what if he knew them.

What purpose does this supposed shepherd need to know the vacation plans in the first place? My own parents do not request such things, and I'm pretty sure their concern for my well being is much more warranted. Of course Tom, I know you request this of your family, right? 

22 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

If he truly fancies himself a shepherd of the sheep, that is exactly what a shepherd would do.

or an over-controlling busybody sticking their nose into business that doesn't pertain to them. 

7 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

James Thomas Rook Jr

By not answering, you are declining my offer, in essence saying you won't accept my challenge, so what’s the difference in that puzzled mind of yours. However, I didn’t say no, I declined your offer under the terms you gave. Why flush good money down the toilet. Knows that’s the difference in arrogance.

Do you have a humorless cartoon to go along with your evasiveness?

You crack me up Billy. The level in which you interact with others is very telling. 

Also, it doesn't hurt my feelings if you down vote my posts. It actually makes me smile..........because you read it. 

7 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

Well it's good that Jesus Christ read the heart of Saul, when Saul was persecuting the early Christians isn't it ? Otherwise the Apostle Paul would not have existed.

Isn't this something we all should remember? 

Great point John

6 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

Well until you do, your right I don't wish to understand your kind. Learn scripture about bad associations and filling your head with nonsense before you consider replying to my post as a professed intellect.

regurgitation from mother wt.  no real thoughts of your own I see. 

1 minute ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

So, in your mind, JW's are the only one's being plegued by Satan's attack of CSA. Thank's I didn't know that. I'll put that one next to the trash bag. Unitl you can offer a better biblical understanding than Christ, your kind doesn't have anything better to offer. Maybe that's what surprises you.

nope, not anything close to what I said at all. 

Doesn't surprise me that you can't or won't comprehend. 

25 minutes ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

Whose we. Do you mean, opposers. You certainly don’t mean witnesses. What positive views does an opposer offer? Can they offer a better understanding of scripture? Can they offer a better moral Christian life? Therefore, educate yourself on what a Christian is, and should be. If you’re going to give examples and excuses with justifications, I’ve heard those from a self-appointed anointed one that lacks the same biblical education you hold. Therefore, JW’s don’t need garbage or tainted scriptural understanding.

 

No I don't mean witnesses, I mean everyone. All of us can learn something from others, even if their view is not the same as ours. 

Can they offer a better understanding of scripture? you'd be surprised. 

Can they offer a better moral Christian life? They can, if you are asking about a better scriptural life than jws. Think CSA and reporting ALL criminals to the proper authorities. So certainly they can. 

All a person needs to do is listen to the other side before dismissing them based on what the group thinks. Group think is what lemmings do, and right off the cliff they go. ....

Just now, BillyTheKid46 said:

Couldn't that be said about you? What makes you think your intellect is superior? What kind of value do those opposing views reflect if they are presented in a false narrative? educate yourself first before you condemn the actions of others. If you like seeing garbage, that's up to you. Don't force your views on others. Especially false ones.

Opposing views are an excellent way for one to reflect on the position we hold. If someone gives us something we've never thought of, it could actually open our eyes to a different view, but we must first be willing to listen. 

And what should I educate myself on in regards to this? Please tell me, so I can be educated. 

On 5/5/2019 at 9:56 AM, Melinda Mills said:

I won't watch the present nor the previous nine.  I agree there is nothing here.  

Interesting stance. So without even watching, and learning what this person said, you choose to accept group think. Not only accepting the groups position, but stating that there is nothing of value, as if you were educated on the subject. Hmmm, why even say anything at all if status quo was the approach? 

I think that forums like this and many more are invaluable, because we get to see and understand opposing views to further our knowledge and research for our position without actually having to have the conversation face to face. It gives us more time to formulate our ideas with facts (or at least hopefully facts), instead of dismissing based on our feelings. 

am I able to read reviews before I eat it? I mean from independent sources? 

You know what I think is the most enjoyable part of this question and responses? It is that, yes it is silly and comical because of the ridiculousness of the question, it points out the exact same when applied to blood fractions within jws. I know that is the obvious, but you then have those who will make the disgust look on their face (like they smelled something bad) and explain how child like a comment like this is, not realizing that they are promoting exactly the same position. Not only promoting it, but living out such nonsense. 

Do not tell the emperor he has no clothes!!!!

Those of you who are jws, why is there not an explanation for this in some publication or questions for readers?  

I'll summarize for those who wish not to read the whole post:

"Ignore the man behind the curtain "

"fake news"

"Do not question, just obey"

"Satan is just tricking you"

Back to your regularly scheduled program.........

Good additional supporting scriptures.  It just doesn’t make sense,  1914, there is just too much scripture against that date being when Jesus became king. 

Then that leads to the question of why would the wt insist on 1914?

wt and jws believe 1914 was the parousia of Jesus and His being enthroned king. After Jesus resurrection He made this statement" 18 And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 

If at this time when He was with the disciples after His resurrection He had all authority, what then is there for Him to acquire in 1914? Isn't "All authority" already the qualities of a king? What more authority is there to gain if He has it all? 

4 minutes ago, Melinda Mills said:

For you I would say that Jesus is ruling in the midst of his enemies, but since he is dwelling in unapproachable light not one of men has seen or can see him since he returned to glory. (1 Timothy 6:16) However his coming is going to be different. He is going to use supernatural power that would force ignorers to recognize him, as the destruction and display of power could only come from a heavenly source.   "Every eye will then see him"  Discernment used. Those you pierced him are long dead.  Seeing him is not literal nor possible (1 Timothy 6:16). 

you are adding things to His coming. When He comes, it is not in an invisible cloud, it is seen. This part of Him being in unaproachable light, sure if He stays there, but He will not, He will come and be visible just as he said.

1 hour ago, Melinda Mills said:

They will be forced to recognize him, as the destruction will be coming from a heavenly source.  Read again and discern.  Those who pierced him are long dead. It is not literal seeing.

couldn't this situation be applied by Hebrews 6?

:⁴ For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, ⁵ and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, ⁶ and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt.

Interesting point, one in which I have also questioned concerning the jws. This semantics of word play of parousia vs coming is only used when the shoe fits whenever I have spoken to a jw. If we look at the context of Jesus' words in Matthew, we see His proclamation against the thought of invisible observance . 

Matthew 24:²³ Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. ²⁴ For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. ²⁵ See, I have told you beforehand. ²⁶ So, if they say to you, ‘Look, he is in the wilderness,’ do not go out. If they say, ‘Look, he is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. ²⁷ For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.

Here Jesus is saying that if someone tells you "oh, He's is in the inner rooms, or somewhere else that you cannot see right now", it is a lie and for us not to believe it. This is because He told us that there WILL be false prophets who say such things. 

Not to mention the whole 1914 as His parousia and being enthroned king. After Jesus resurrection He made this statement" ¹⁸ And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 

If at this time when He was with the disciples after His resurrection He had all authority, what then is there for Him to acquire in 1914? Isn't "All authority" already the qualities of a king? What more authority is there to gain if He has it all? 

17 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

I agree to what the Bible says

then show me where one must study for baptism. 

17 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

Concerning what Jesus taught, according to you, how does one convey if they is no need to study, read, observe, etc? Example regarding Jesus in his childhood, he read, studied, recited, and observed the laws found in the Old Testament because in doing so, he, as with all Jews, learned about the God of Israel. Why is it suddenly different according to you about those of the New Covenant; Christians?

this is right out of the wt playbook. So if Jesus studied, then it is a command to study for baptism? 

Did Jesus own a cat when He was growing up? Does that then require us to raise cats? 

17 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

So what would you say in regards to those being hearers of the word? actually disciples and students of God's Word in Bible times, especially those at Pentecost?

How would the early Christians teach and preach the good news gospel and the Messianic Age if they did not understand or observed what the teachings were to begin with?

Taking in wisdom is indeed biblical not. So if Jesus urges us to take in knowledge by coming to know the True God is wrong? Let alone what was said about taking in accurate knowledge? Trying to understand you.

no one said that we are not to study! 

It just isn't a requirement for baptism. 

17 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

That being said, if you have some points to make, then do so, aside from that, I speak on what the Bible says regarding those who are in union with the Christ and what they've done, in which we as Christians today can emulate and apply.

I've already said it. re-read my posts, or rather this one and maybe you'll see my point. I doubt it though.

18 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

I do not want to find your response in this claim amusing, but I must. Are you aware of what mainstream Christendom is and their practices? Their theological stance and so forth? Mainstream Christendom not only integrates doctrines that are not of Jesus' church, but they tend to water down and twist the teachings and other things concerning the Bible. How are you so sure that mainstream Christendom practices binding and loosening in the church when the majority practices 2 out of 3 excommunication concepts that is not related to what was entrusted to the church?

That being said, I advise you understand the difference between True Christianity and mainstream Christianity being unaware of such will only bring forth confusion on your part when most people who has discernment and understanding can tell the difference.

this is a nice example of not defending your position. My experience in "mainstream Christianity" proves otherwise when it comes to shunning. You again have failed to support your claim. 

12 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

That being said, why would I pick part? You pretty much agreed with me concerning my other responses.

no, I didn't agree with you. You said that pretty much anyone who proclaims God is a mouthpiece for God. I disagree. Matthew 7:21  states exactly my point. Not all who claim to be the mouthpiece of God really are. 

8 minutes ago, Outta Here said:

Keep on seeking.....................

ahh I see, no problem. IF you ever do want to explain, I'll listen and respond. 

18 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

Don't blame me for stating something that is true. I need not have to explain to you something that is literally simple, after all, all the Christians that lived before us, our brothers and our sisters of the church, it should be obvious to you. Clearly they are not like Moses, David, etc, but they did have something in common, they proclaimed who God is, his Kingdom and all that pertains to it, hence, they are spokesman, mouth and or mouthpiece, declarees, advocates, prophets, etc.

Give up? I value discussion.

I've only made the response because of what you said as seen here:

If I am wrong, as I told you in question, what of the good news gospel and the Messianic Age? All things pertaining to God that is spoken of by Christians, as well as the false prophets and teachers out there? There is Truth and there is Untruths, those who speak the truth will speak up.

That being said, the leaders of Judah thought of Isaiah to be crazy when he not only repeat himself, but was speaking quite a lot regarding warning.

So when someone is speaking the gospel of the good news, what are they professing if not of God? I am sure you are aware that even angels in Bible times were God's mouthpieces as well, example, Genesis 16:10-11, Genesis 22:10-12.

Ok, my point exactly. Such ones proclaim God's Words, speaking and proclaiming the message, which pertains to what I had said.

I don't make things up but ok.

How are you so sure I haven't convinced anyone? If the Bible speakth something, it will be said. No one is ignorant to the fact that God uses angels and people, even speaks trough them and or uses them to push his message, Shaliach Principle being an example, which the person in question is a spokesman and or mouthpiece. For us Christians today, we are spreading God's Word and proclaiming the message, although we are not like our prophet inspired counterparts, we have the gifts of the spirit still and able to do God's will by such.

That being said, there are indeed false prophets out there, some of which who preach and teach that God has given them visions of hell, people being tormented in it, burned, eaten, what have you. They make claim that they are God's spokesman, or in this case, God's mouthpiece, but they are teaching a message that is not of the church, not of God, but of man.

I am just going to answer with this. You can choose to pick it apart if you wish. Were these folks God's mouthpiece based on the criteria you claim? 

Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

18 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

I have spoken of mainstream Christendom many, many times. It pertains to the threads I've started here on how they twist Scripture into some other form of doctrine, one of which you were in said discussion briefly. And no, I have been preaching and teachings not to the people I help, homeless, youth, what have you, but to those that speak of doctrines that is not of the church. I have even stated I do this publicly in person, etc. Hence why I, as well as many from cse, are often on conversation and or debate when we are met with falsehood.

If I had to resort to forums only, why would I have preached the messages of the gospel to those in Thailand? Africa? Recently the countries of my parents? There are times whereas I am absent, if not work, if not helping young ones or the homeless, I am preaching the gospel to those who want to have a head start in learning the Bible.

you missed my point because I wasn't clear enough. I did not mean that you resort to a forum to discuss topics. I meant was that you are using the concept of a forum or social space, educational institutions, etc. as oppose to the stance of mainstream Christianity, because you failed to support your claim on mainstream Christianity shun's. 

18 hours ago, Outta Here said:

Acts 2:37-38 +Acts 26:20

none of the verses you posted state anything close to having to study to become baptized. please explain.