Shiwiii
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5 minutes ago, Outta Here said:
Acts 2:37-38
your point? Are you talking about being baptized in the name of the Father, Son and of the Holy Spirit?
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16 hours ago, Space Merchant said:
Nowhere in my comments I am in support of baptismal regeneration
you keep doing things like this, bringing up something NO ONE said. You are only hearing what you want to hear instead of listening to what IS said.
16 hours ago, Space Merchant said:when one seeks baptism, they work in ways of building themselves up, reading and obverse God's Word, even glorying God.
so why is it that you couldn't just say this in the first place instead of arguing with me that one must "work" ?
Is it because you just can't bring yourself to admit I was correct? Works for baptism IS UNBIBLICAL.
Just stop with your strawman "baptismal regeneration", no one said it.
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15 hours ago, Space Merchant said:
You are confusing Restorationist with mainstream Christendom.
you keep bringing this up, but you know what? No one has mentioned it but you. Seems like you want a discussion on the topic. Do it.
15 hours ago, Space Merchant said:But I do saith, when it comes to forums and communities as such, even for here, regardless of who you are, the rules are sent by the admin here, and we are to abide by them, as with every forum or social space. Going beyond that will result in termination and or being kicked out, thus even goes for educational institutions, governmental, business, religious, etc. Such ones have the ability to bind and loosen said community, just as Jesus commanded his disciples, to bind and loosen, after all, yous aid it best yourself, shouldn't we be following Jesus command?
This is straight up comedy. Since you failed at expanding on the "mainstream Christianity" thing, you've had to resort to fourms and private clubs. Keep going sm, tell us about the knitting circle that won't allow cross stitch and how that ties back to your statement that Christians shun.
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15 hours ago, Space Merchant said:
Don't go about things in a simplistic manner, Shiwiii.
oh sm, why not? I mean simplistic is very easy to understand, its only when folks like yourself, who add all kinds of arbitrary meanings and definitions, who purposely create complexity so that by the time someone has tried to sift through all that mess, they give up and say "uncle".
There is a significant difference between a person stating scripture and explaining it, and one who proclaims to be God's mouthpiece. You just don't see it and want to make your statement so convoluted that people give up. No, a person who is proclaiming the Gospel is still not God's mouthpiece. They are proclaiming and pointing to Gods Word, but are not God's mouthpiece. You don't have to agree and can make up whatever you want, but the end result is that you have not convinced me and based on the replies of almost no one else, you haven't convinced anyone else either.
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15 hours ago, Space Merchant said:
Well Shiwiii, you are very late to the party because it is no surprise I am using common sayings that was common in the days of Jesus and the apostles.
Oh stop flattering yourself.
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16 hours ago, Space Merchant said:
You pulled a phrase from my statement, and if you read what I said I clearly stated the following [When a person has been studying the word diligently] nothing here to which I had said that there is a verse that says what you are so focused on.
still doesn't justify your position. It does muddy the conversation more, if that is your plan.
16 hours ago, Space Merchant said:Where are you drawing this from my statement?
from this statement, which I already stated is unbiblical.
On 3/2/2019 at 5:02 PM, Space Merchant said:That being said, if the young ones seek, and they are ready and worked hard for it, why should we withhold them from progressing, they and their household?
I know you cannot see it, but right here you said that if they work hard enough.......etc. Works are not a requirement for baptism, belief is.
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16 hours ago, Space Merchant said:
@Shiwiii You seem impressed. You spared some time to make a response.
oh this is getting fun.
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16 hours ago, Space Merchant said:
Sounds exactly like mainstream Christendom and soco films who, inasmuch butcher the gospels knowingly.
you're funny. I mean, you already know that what I said is true. It DOES sound like the wt, because they do exactly that.
Your statement here is silly. Why? because your feelings are hurt and want to lash out. No one agrees that mainstream Christianity disfellowships or excommunicates or shuns. You are just hurt, and that's ok. It'll get better.
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15 hours ago, Space Merchant said:
Again - Christians are prophets NOT INSPIRED, however, they can still profess God's word when it comes to teaching, ministering and or other, although not on the high ground as they're inspired counterparts. One who is a mouthpiece of God is one who speaks God's Word, minister and professes it, following God's Word in this sense. It also pertains to a spokesmen.
you don't get it, or you just don't like to admit you're wrong.
Not inspired = not the mouthpiece.
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8 minutes ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:
If you misbehave in my house, you may be shot dead.
.... you do not "take a dump" in someone else's environment.
That's why gentlemen go out in the street to fight .... or in a public forum where the rules are somewhat more lax.
rightly so and I agree. The difference being is that I do not proclaim to accept any joe public person into my "house" without establishing the boundaries before hand if we are on different playing fields.
"House rules" are everywhere, its up to each of us to either accept them or not enter. That makes it kind of hard for those dragged in without a choice.
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On 3/10/2019 at 6:44 AM, Space Merchant said:
You come to their playground that they own, you are bounded to their rules. They can warn you, remind you, but should you go out of line, you will be exiled, excommunicato'd, banished, kick-out, of the playground.
sounds exactly like being a jw in a kh.
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On 3/8/2019 at 6:41 PM, Space Merchant said:
You pick apart my words and assume. If you read my response you can see I cited the verses regarding those who embrace the word, those who hear it. To quote exactly what I said [When a person has been studying the word diligently, becoming hearers of the word and embraces it, they will most likely seek baptism on their own accord, and as stated before, in doing so, they accept the teachings of the teacher, Lord Christ Jesus (Acts 2:38, 41). Moreover, it is already known that God sees such ones, even those of a household as holy.]
again, these verses do not include the study part you were looking for.
On 3/8/2019 at 6:41 PM, Space Merchant said:Moreover, we are encouraged to read God’s word daily, observe, study, and if you are feeling it, even recite
of course, this is something we do to grow closer to God. However this has never been a requirement for baptism.
On 3/8/2019 at 6:41 PM, Space Merchant said:and there is no problem with observing and applying God’s Word even in our lives
no one said otherwise. You are creating a straw-man argument.
On 3/8/2019 at 6:41 PM, Space Merchant said:Want to explain this?
no I don't, because the statement was self explanatory.
On 3/8/2019 at 6:41 PM, Space Merchant said:Actually, it does prove something regarding insight drawn from the passage itself. For you brought up a portion of this passage and said what I have said was unbiblical, i.e. wanting to be baptized.
no, what I said was that your statement of having to study to be baptized is unbiblical. You have still failed to prove otherwise. The eunuch did not study as a requirement and the scripture shows just that. He had no idea what he was reading, nor whom it was about. is wasn't until Philip explained it to him did he understand. So having to study IS unbiblical as a requirement for baptism. It certainly helps, and should be done to understand what it is you are even professing, but not a requirement.
On 3/8/2019 at 6:41 PM, Space Merchant said:If you wanted a break why continue to ask and make a response to me when this was not even the first time?
this makes me think that maybe English is not your first language. "Gimme a break" is an expression.
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On 3/8/2019 at 6:58 PM, Space Merchant said:
But truly I say to you
are you trying to use biblical phrases to impress someone? Even the sayings of Jesus?
Touche
Get behind me Space Merchant! you are a hindrance to me.
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On 3/8/2019 at 7:14 PM, Space Merchant said:
You do realize Christians are prophets not inspired, in this sense, they can make claim to being a mouthpiece, anyone can say it, but it comes down to if they follow the early church and its teachings, in conjunction with the teachings of the Christ and so forth. If a man claims he is the mouthpiece of the church and or God, how about all of Christendom, and he professes he sleeps one day and goes to a place of torment, seeing people there being tortured, you think he'd be teaching the truth let alone attempting to seek it and teach it himself? No.
That being said, by all means team cybele can go first for in relation to Christendom, they love to hog the ball up and down the court.
Not being inspired means that they are NOT the mouthpiece of God. A inspired prophet IS, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Moses, etc.
men can say whatever they want to say, but that doesn't mean it comes from God. You can go ahead and believe that there is a certain criteria established by man that makes them a mouthpiece, that's fine, it just doesn't make it so.
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Aren't all jws consider ministers?
15. What happens when a person gets baptized? (See also footnote.)
15 Eventually, the Bible student, having developed a love of Jehovah God and a strong faith in the ransom sacrifice, wishes to dedicate himself completely to his heavenly Father. (John 14:1) He makes that dedication in personal prayer and then gets baptized as a public symbol of that private act. His baptism is his ordination ceremony because that is when he is recognized as a fully dedicated servant, a di·aʹko·nos, of God. He must remain separate from the world. (John 17:16; James 4:4) He has presented his whole self “a sacrifice living, holy, acceptable to God” without reserve or condition. (Romans 12:1) * He is God’s minister, imitating Christ.
The Watchtower—Study Edition | November 15, 2000
So wouldn't Anna's comment be correct? "we"
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3 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:
The key to the whole thing is the WTB&TS claiming the same privileges and titles of the Catholic Church ... which they do in court, time after time, yet claim in the Kingdom Halls that we are NOT clergy.
it is the same mantra , take advantage of whatever and whomever you can and who cares what it destroy's in the process, thus playing both sides to their own benefit.
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23 hours ago, John Houston said:
Yet those who left Jesus left because they did not understand, accusing him of what you say the GB is doing now, yet what was Peter's response to his question about leaving? Who actually had words of eternal life? Those who left or the very one who at that moment they did not fully understand?
you do realize you just equated the gb with Jesus?
23 hours ago, John Houston said:But even today these MEN, like those prophets, those MEN, were so chosen by a divine power to lead his earthly people in these days. And even though so chosen, they are still imperfect, just like the rest of mankind, only difference they have much responsibility. So as a very long active member, from the days(generation) of Franz, Knorr I know where the sayings of eternal life are.
This is borderline worship.
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18 minutes ago, JOHN BUTLER said:
I'm thinking of buying a MEGA cap. It's the English version
I wouldn't do it, you're going to melt snowflakes!
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8 hours ago, Space Merchant said:
When a person has been studying the word diligently,
show me where in the Bible it says you must "study diligently".
8 hours ago, Space Merchant said:Now what you just posted was the part of the passage, Philip and the Eunuch (The Ethiopian Eunuch), and I take it you didn’t care to even explain yourself in this regard, in which I can see why.
bahahahaha, you mean your education on what a eunuch is? bahahahahahaha
8 hours ago, Space Merchant said:Now, the Ethiopian Eunuch, had knowledge of God as well as knowing fully well of the Hebrew Text. Phillip proclaim the word, the message and fulfillment of the text regarding the Messiah, to which the Ethiopian Eunuch embraced this message, and evidently, he was (wanted to be) baptized, prior, he even asked to be baptized when they sought for a body of water, stopped the chariot, to commence the baptism (Ritual Washing as it was called) once a source was found, rejoicing afterwards. This but one of several examples, i.e. what we read about a guard who was about to commit suicide, but was given the message of the Christ, Jesus, and he was baptized, and eventually his household was baptized (Acts 16:16-24, 25-39).
completely irrelevant! so you telling us the story again proves what? NOTHING. It is a fact that the eunuch was baptized, but he didn't even know what he was reading! verses 31&31. Give me a break sm, you stretch things so far to try and validate yourself its on the border of narcissism.
Was baptism necessary for the thief on the cross next to Jesus? NOPE.
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8 hours ago, Space Merchant said:
It isn't painstakenly out of the blue for someone to say that they are a mouthpiece of God
wow, really? and you believe this? You are a perfect candidate for recruitment into whatever cult blows this way this week.
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7 hours ago, Space Merchant said:
In layman's terms, certain pieces of clothing that is revealing and or professes a message can and will trigger someone, i.e. swastika attire triggers a reaction and or response, which can go from minor to violent in the slightest of escalation. And what was mentioned above is a red maga hat that sends people into a mental state of blood boiling rage, even the MSM gets into it sometimes, but you know what they say about the powers that be in all this of such nature and various things pushed out to the people. It is no wonder a good 20% of people in the US tends to stay away from such things.
That being said, even despite such, I was never a fan of graphic tees, I keep it plain, always, even during the island days.
Words can give off shots stronger than bullets, the same can be said of inappropriateness and immodesty, ammo of immorality.
Here we go again with technicalities.
You're right sm, it might offend some.
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On 3/1/2019 at 11:17 AM, JOHN BUTLER said:
Give me a polo shirt and jeans any day.
Yuck, I don't sell used cars. Lol, just my preference. I'm a casual guy. Jeans/pants, no tie...no, unless warranted. Vans or boots. I'd be talked to so quick. "Christian attire" bahaaaaaaa. Who do these guys think they are? ARE uniforms on the way? Red and black?
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On 3/1/2019 at 6:37 PM, Space Merchant said:
The problem is there are people out there that indeed preach this craziness.
As those who believe that the gb are God's mouthpiece.
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On 3/1/2019 at 6:42 PM, Space Merchant said:
Although I do not fancy graphic shirts such as these, but aren't you a bit too old for such things? Also speaking about graphic shirts, sometimes an image or a word, on said shirt, can trigger someone and or a group of people, perhaps trigger either of the sexes or both. And we already know the situation with an example professed above
Whaaaaaaa
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Right, and look at it. Does the verse you mention state that anyone needs to study to become baptized? No it doesn't, but you made the statement and I disagreed.
No one is questioning this part of your statement:
I just disagree that one needs to study to become baptized. The Bible does not state that one must study to be baptized, and thus the idea that a person would need to, is unbiblical.
I'm not going to keep going around in circles and obscure definitions with you, I stated my point very clear. You seem to dislike that, so what.