Anna

8 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

Should we change the teachings of Jesus ?  

We're not changing any teachings silly, we are changing our understanding of them. 

35 minutes ago, Anna said:

1971 "The nations shall know that I am Jehovah"

P.S. This book seems like the 1971 version of today's "Pure Worship" book (except of course with some significant changes...)

7 hours ago, JW Insider said:

But they were tied to the generation starting in 1914, of course

This reminded me of something that I have found recently. Although the claim is not about the signs in heavens etc. it does pinpoint the time when these and similar things were to take place. I think it's one of the places where the 20th century has not been replaced by a more generic "in our time".

1971 "The nations shall know that I am Jehovah" ch.12 p 116 par 9:

"Shortly, within our twentieth century, the “battle in the day of Jehovah” will begin against the modern antitype of Jerusalem, Christendom". 

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101971012

7 hours ago, Pudgy said:

it did pass, but one GB member went to the restroom, and when he came back, he changed his vote.

 

I remember reading about something like this in Franz's book but I don't think it was a decision regarding the signs in the heavens but a decision about something else that impacted a lot of people, negatively unfortunately. All because of one person changing his mind...

7 hours ago, JW Insider said:

You appear to have some special reason or need to respond to others with vulgarity

Like I said, he's nothing but a troll...

1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

 

That little girl is precious! Such talent, both of them!

(Not sure about the lyrics though, they seem a little muddled and confusing, talking about Bathsheba...and Delilah....? Something to do with faith? Maybe I'm misunderstanding what they are trying to say...)

P.s. I see the lyrics are by Leonard Cohen and it is a song about lost love...nothing to do with Jah).

17 hours ago, xero said:

I'm not sure what's worse - seeing God acting everywhere or never seeing his hand in anything at all.

I suppose reasonableness and balance is the key 😀

5 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

necessitating those with extra reading appetite to do extra study projects.....

If you go somewhere that ordinary theocratic reading does not take us—looking into the nitty-gritty of this or that complaint, for example, you have a responsibility to frame things in accord with the brotherhood

I remember a while back, when I was "super holy" browsing a brother's library and noticing Bible literature that was not from our source. In my self righteous judgemental previous self I was shocked and almost stumbled. The said brother then proceeded to recommend some of those books saying how interesting they were especially if we are into deep research. I was beside myself with disgust and loathing, wondering how an elder could be saying this...and is he even an elder, probably more of a closet apostate.  Well that was then, and this is now. Looking back I see how immature I really was, thinking myself spiritually superior to someone else just because they read other things besides "our" things. It works the other way too, do we consider ourselves somehow more intelligent and superior to those who only read "our" literature? Everybody is at varying stages of spiritual maturity and it is ultimately between them and Jehovah what they chose to, or not to, research.

The brother by the way is still our brother. His daughter sings some of our songs.

4 hours ago, xero said:

One wonders if the videos the WTBS published allowed for comments and ratings what this would do for the

I think Mr F is doing commercials for IKEA.

 

Wow, hahaha! I wish I could understand what he is saying, but I don't speak Norwegian....

I wonder why him? Surely there are other maybe more suitable people like pop stars or actors? Perhaps though he is quite famous in Norway....

12 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

since I took Anna’s counsel (Do not feed the troll) to heart and blocked him

Well I didn't say you should block him, just not respond. But I guess you have no self control Tom, so if blocking is what it takes then that's the way to go 👍😀

10 hours ago, xero said:

 

A person can be faithful and quite frankly bored by material which is repetitive and containing nothing novel. It's not surprising that when you are truly interested in the material, that you eventually "make the truth your own" and strike off in some ways exploring areas not of interest to the average.

This doesn't mean you're a "bad person" or "unfaithful" or even "unappreciative". It just means that you're not learning disabled or perpetually fascinated by spiritual milk

Yes. I think this is pretty much the reason some of us like to come here (and even more so the closed club where we can discuss deeper things without the distraction of opposers). If one has been in the truth for a long time, and has had much experience in the truth, then the basics just repeated over and over are not enough for some. There are always new things to learn! And sometimes these things can be a bit controversial and frowned upon by others, but I don't feel bad, in fact I feel positively enlightened 😀

On 4/21/2021 at 3:53 PM, xero said:

Here's another, same guy. I believe he's a witness.

https://www.academia.edu/3290630/Dating_the_Biblical_Chronology

 

I also subscribe to academia.edu. Yes, I think you are talking about Gerard Gertoux. (Although the link you provide somehow doesn't go to that article)  I believe JWInsider has been in correspondence with him quite a few times..

3 hours ago, xero said:

ʎɐʍ sᴉɥʇ ʇᴉ op plnoɔ I ɹO

Please no, that gave me a headache

31 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Should I tell this deranged nutcase that it is ex-congregational-elder that I once mentioned in passing?

No, just listen to me: stop feeding the troll!

6 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

For the life of me, I don’t know why anyone gets into long exchanges with him. Have they nothing at all to do with their time? Plainly, he is deranged.

I keep trying to tell you; he is a troll

On 4/13/2021 at 2:46 PM, JW Insider said:

Watch how Paul did this:

(Psalm 110:1) Jehovah declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.”

(1 Corinthians 15:25) 25 For he must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet.

So, if the apostle Paul was correct, then "sit at my right hand" meant exactly the same thing as "rule as king."

Yes, makes sense. But I think some people  think that sitting at the right hand of God means waiting to become king. The question is, where would he be sitting then, when he became king? He cannot be sitting in place of Jehovah, so as you say: "When Jesus received all authority in the first century, when did he receive more authority"? Or when he was sitting at the right hand of God where was the place that was more of a throne? (this is not a question for you, it's for the sake of the discussion)

On 4/11/2021 at 11:01 AM, xero said:

No. It's better to say "Yes. I DO think I'm better at X, Y  or Z than another person. 

It's all about being politically correct. Some nations are more sensitive to justified criticism than others. In some European countries it's ok to tell your best friend she's fat and needs to lose weight.. in other countries that would be called fat shaming and is a no no. The other thing is than some people think that "false humility" is ok. It's nice to be honest, but many people can't take it. Today's society has become a bunch of snowflakes as JTR  (a former  member of the forum)  used to call them. And he was right. 

31 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

They pay no attention to the head. They only pay attention to the heart (scriptures)

Yes, true indeed. On the other hand one has to use the head to be able to distinguish the truth from non truth. Evangelicals are led by the heart, but they are obviously misguided. 

5 hours ago, xero said:

would imagine that certain nuance in the exercise of one's conscience might get a jaundiced look from low IQ brothers and sisters. Let's face it, some of our most faithful brothers and sisters have IQ's about the level of a hamster.

You are a little condescending here, but I know what you mean

19 hours ago, César Chávez said:

This forum was formed for disgruntled and disgusting fake witnesses to have a platform to complain without consequences. Something, "Thinking" is in favor of. Even though it goes against scripture. That kind of person is conflicted, as well.

I just keep wondering why you are here.....

1 hour ago, TrueTomHarley said:

I wonder if you wouldn’t run into trouble there

You are talking about JWtalk, and yes, I think he would get kicked out pretty soon.

4 hours ago, César Chávez said:

Not even JW ONLY Closed club is apostate FREE!

To the best of my knowledge it is. Of course if you consider JWI, TTH, Xero and me apostates then I guess in your over imaginative mind it is not...

22 minutes ago, Witness said:

an anointed one who cannot join with other anointed to study God's word together,  (Rev 13:5-8,11,12,15)  You also have the power to tell someone they are not anointed and cannot partake.   

None of this is true at all

1 hour ago, TrueTomHarley said:

10 hours ago, César Chávez said:

Anna and JWI started this fight not me.

Well—they are horrible scrappers, those two.

The funny thing is I actually have no idea what CC is talking about. It's quite amusing really...

2 hours ago, 4Jah2me said:

I have made known and will continue to make known what future this 'world' has and what future the Earth has. i make known who is the ruler of this 'world' and why. And of course i make known who Almighty God is and who Christ is, and what they have done, what they are doing, and will do in the future

Hmmmm.... I wonder if you would have known ANY of this had you not been contacted by Jehovah's Witnesses....