Anna

On 1/15/2018 at 11:09 AM, The Librarian said:

Bundle up @Anna and @Arauna.....

Are they any others of you that will be feeling this?

Thanks Librarian! Thankfully I'm not in the uk anymore but in the usa, and the state I'm in isn't getting hit too bad. There is snow, but not too much

9 hours ago, JW Insider said:

*** ip-1 chap. 19 p. 253 par. 21 Jehovah Profanes the Pride of Tyre ***

• “These nations will have to serve the king of Babylon seventy years.” (Jeremiah 25:8-17, 22, 27) True, the island-city of Tyre is not subject to Babylon for a full 70 years, since the Babylonian Empire falls in 539 B.C.E. Evidently, the 70 years represents the period of Babylonia’s greatest domination—when the Babylonian royal dynasty boasts of having lifted its throne even above “the stars of God.” (Isaiah 14:13) Different nations come under that domination at different times. But at the end of 70 years, that domination will crumble.

What years would you @Foreigner or perhaps @scholar JW or @allensmith28 use to date that 70 years of Babylon's greatest domination as applied to Tyre? Would you start it with the fall of Jerusalem's Temple, or does it make more sense to start it with the earliest years when Babylon was tramping about in the region, beginning to prove its dominance as the next world power in the region?

Interesting

1 hour ago, Witness said:

Firstly, anointed ones can be sealed while on earth. 2 Cor 1:22; 2 Pet 1:19

Secondly, we have the example of Deborah, a prophetess.  Judges 4:4

In 1 Cor 14:34, Paul says, women cannot teach, “according to the law”. He eventually drew away from teaching according to the Jewish law, which viewed women as unclean. 

The examples we have that Jesus abolished this practice is found in Matt 9:20-22 (Eph 2:15,16)

In Gal 2:21 and 3:1,2 Paul said it is through the hearing of faith, not the works of the law that the Spirit is received. 

Col 2:20-22 – “If you died with Christ to the elements of this world, why do you live as if you still belonged to the world? Why do you submit to regulations; “Don’t handle, don’t taste, don’t touch”?  All these regulations refer to what is destined to perish by being used up; they are human commands and doctrines.”

I can’t see the law which was embellished with Pharisaical doctrine phasing out immediately.  But through Paul’s writings, we see the change.

Rom 16:1,2 -  “I commend to you our sister Phoebe, who is a servant of the church in Cenchreae.  So you should welcome her in the Lord in a manner worthy of the saints and assist her in whatever matter she may require your help. For indeed she has been a benefactor of many—and of me also.”

1 Cor 11:4 - "Every man that prays or prophesies having something on his head shames his head;  but every woman that prays or prophesies with her head uncovered shames her head”  

In 1 Cor 11:2-15, you’ll see that Paul began rationalizing on the need for woman to wear a head covering.  Her hair is a symbol of glory; a symbol of authority.  “For her hair is given to her as a covering. ¹⁶ If anyone wants to argue about this, we have no other custom, nor do the churches of God.” 

A prophet teaches, and it is one of the many gifts within anointed Body.  Rom 12:6-8 

“The next day we left and came to Caesarea, where we entered the house of Philip the evangelist, who was one of the Seven, and stayed with him.  This man had four virgin daughters who prophesied.”  Acts 21:8,9

"I wish all of you spoke in other tongues, but even more that you prophesied. The person who prophesies is greater than the person who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets so that the church may be built up."  1 Cor 14:5

Gal 3:28  "There is no (literal) Jew or Greek, slave or free, male and female; since you are all one in Christ Jesus."

This wasn’t written in the future tense, but the present.

 

This is all very nice but waaaaay off topic

10 minutes ago, Nana Fofana said:

True- so should I keep looking for an applicable scripture? "Contemptuous" is certainly an applicable word regarding he.

 

No, don't look because this thread is about 607, not about chastising strangers on the internet. I think @TrueTomHarley meant that suggestion to be purely rhetorical. Plus I don't think Alan F gives two monkeys bottoms.

On 12/18/2017 at 1:52 AM, Colin Browne said:

told us not to speculate on this

Hey! We can speculate all we like!

1 hour ago, JW Insider said:

Although the Passover did not foreshadow the Memorial, certain features of the Passover have meaning for us

!!!!! It looks like I've missed the new light too.

w13 12/15 p. 21

"There are, however, differences between the Passover and the Lord’s Evening Meal. These show that the Passover that the Jews were to memorialize was not to foreshadow what Christ told his followers to do in memory of his death. Back in Egypt, the Israelites partook of the lamb’s flesh but not of its blood. That differs from what Jesus directed his disciples to do. He said that those who would reign “in the kingdom of God” should partake of both the bread and the wine as symbols of his flesh and his blood......"

However I do have an objection to this understanding. Blood was also involved at the Passover, in a big way. If it had not been splashed on the doorposts the inhabitants of that house would have been killed.

Saying that the difference is only in the drinking, in both cases, well Christ's blood wasn't drank either was it. Couldn't the symbolism of splashing and "drinking" be applied to mean a similar thing?

Aaah, I just realized the wording of this could mean that, yes, the lamb eaten at the Passover foreshadowed Jesus as the sacrificial lamb (both were killed and blood spilled) however, the actual memorial  (the activity) was not being foreshadowed. Does that make sense?

Just now, TrueTomHarley said:

even the books are not exactly flying off the shelf as they ought. I need better marketing

Better marketing maybe, but you must understand that you are addressing a VERY limited audience. Although 8 million could be considered a fair number, many of those are skeptical and won't read anything published by a brother unless it comes with Bethel's blessing. Maybe that's who you need to talk to! Just kidding. But you must admit, I do have a point. (I still want to order a book for my mother in law, which one would you recommend?) 

5 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

if he had adopted the same tone as to dress and grooming, he could have pointed to me as Exhibit A

Writers get away with a lot of things. It's like scientists and scholars, being disheveled is expected and accepted. There was a brother (elder) who gave a talk at our hall a few years back, and I kid you not, he looked like he had just come back from a day at the beach, surfing. Blonde sun kissed hair barely skimming short of his clavicle. And yes, believe it or not he was Australian!! I guess tanned Australians, like writers and scientists, can get away with a certain look....

P.S. Anyway, I must get back to the more serious topic of 607 on the other thread, now that my browser problem is fixed...

1 hour ago, DespicableME said:

LOL!!! , if anyone decides to go nude to prove a point? Know Caesars indecency laws

 

 

https://www.hg.org/article.asp?id=31193

And then there's Europe -ya American prunes! I mean prudes 

http://www.inspiredtraveller.in/places-in-the-world-where-public-nudity-is-legal/

It doesn't mention the UK, where nudity is also legal, (unless it causes distress to the viewer. Makes sense. I just love British laws, lol)

4 hours ago, Anna said:

I will try that. Thanks.

@Ann O'Maly tried clearing the cache, and cookies and rebooting. Still the same. This is the only website that's giving me trouble @The Librarian. with  firefox. Started a couple of days ago...

Just tried this website in chrome, and there's no problem. I was able to type this on my lap top right now..

32 minutes ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

If you like to cringe and shudder at the new songbook changes ... here is one that will help out.

Every time I see our theology being adulterated by lawyers and accountants, it makes me cringe and shudder.

 

Well they had to replace the stanza beginning "take my mind..." (lol) with something. Plus material giving is scriptural. 

And I see you are ignoring my well meant advice about visiting those apostate websites. (Do not ignore a woman telling you what to do)

1 minute ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Well - not from the platform, I hope. Or, at least, not in public prayer.

 

True 

37 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

They also say that David, as a shepherd, was out-standing in his field.

That's an old one. My husband's is his own, and he's copyrighted it

31 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

While I would not speak so at the Kingdom all, and neither would he, 

He would and did. Lol. Your congregation must be a little more straight laced

2 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

I like the guy already.

I think you'd get on really well. At the mid week meeting last week I asked him what was so outstanding about Bathsheba. He said she was out, standing under the shower.

5 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

In general, it is a good thing not to tell others what to do. I see no problem in re-wording a song to avoid giving that impression.

The article is not  endorsing that view. It is merely acknowledging some people would have it. And some would. Many cultures are that way. Some Witnesses would feel that way.  And some backgounds - almost to the person they would feel that way. Take, for example, a woman from a Muslim background. Imagine how comfortable she would be singing out instructions for her husband to follow.

The article first of all mentions "new ones" and "interested ones" we are considerate of. Why would anyone ridicule consideration?

I must admit I found that paragraph strange. I raised the issue at the table (we had hospitality for our friend who gave the talk, his wife and in laws were also with us, the other in law being an elder too) and everyone didn't get why this particular song was included either. I mean what about the song "listen obey and be blessed"? And other songs which also tell people what to do. It was just very odd, and I wondered why this issue was even raised. (some of your ideas may be valid, but why make a point of it this way in the paragraph, it almost makes me want to write to Bethel and ask for the "real" reason behind it. But it's not important) My husband had a good point as well. He said he's never known in his life any sister to be bothered about telling people what to do. Everyone cracked up and agreed.

52 minutes ago, allensmith28 said:

I will sacrifice my number 28

Lol! You Crack me up!

5 hours ago, Ann O'Maly said:

Your browser may need a cache clear-out and relaunching?

I will try that. Thanks.

1 hour ago, TrueTomHarley said:

5 hours ago, scholar JW said:

I have a computer friend who I can arrange to come over and show him the problem shortly.

Sorry. He is busy helping me today

And then he's coming to me!

@AlanF

I'm having real trouble with this page on my laptop. (So im having to type this on my phone, which is a pain). I'm sure the heated dialogue between scholar JW and Allan F has fried something. I keep getting a "Web page is slowing down your browser" notice, and I can't comment, post, or quote anyone or anything. It keeps freezing up. It's been like that since yesterday..

(By the way I can't read page 208 because I can't make it bigger @Ann O'Maly. Maybe that's  because of this glitch too....)

Anything I can do? @The Librarian

On 12/27/2017 at 9:34 PM, The Librarian said:

Dear Librarian,

This question was submitted via my Twitter account  @jwnewshistory

It depends very much on circumstances, so there is no one correct answer. If you have been drifting slowly by not going out in field service first, and then slowly missing meetings until you stop all together, and then avoid any contact with the congregation elders and other witnesses it could be anything from one to 5 years....

On 1/5/2018 at 12:11 AM, Arauna said:

When people start to develop egos and leave the truth one cannot trust them any more.  TRUST is an important aspect in all facets of life - even in business when working with opposition companies or negotiating.  I have worked in business in America and believe me TRUST is the most important thing - if your work involves working with opposition companies.

If I am working with a person in a team and they are always criticizing management severely and they are only looking out for themselves - ego - it breaks team morale.  We are social animals after all - Jehovah created us this way - that we need to trust each other. 

When someone has left the truth and they are pursuing a scholarly career then ego and politics at the university enters into it.  At present I would NOT like to be working at any  university - have you noticed what is going on?   Would I completely trust such a person and their integrity to just go after truth?  Or is it more important to them to get noticed and pose a new theory? 

 

I don't think you can be talking about Gerard Gertoux developing an ego and leaving the truth, because really we have absolutely no proof of that. The only thing that is evident from his own writings is that he believes Jerusalem was destroyed in 587 BCE. So I am not sure what you mean by trust. That we can not trust him because of that? As far as I am aware he has never criticized the WT and he has not advertised his research regarding that subject, in fact he has been laying pretty low, and not really wanting to talk about it with anyone.

21 hours ago, Arauna said:

On 1/4/2018 at 6:33 PM, Anna said:

but there have been many signs before that, that actually turned out NOT to be the sign

This is dangerous thinking because there are too many signs on the ground now which started in 1914 and is culminating into a very dangerous world-wide situation - it is putting the future of mankind's very EXISTENCE in jeopardy.  These issues will definitely all be coming to a crisis within the next few years - quicker than expected.

Why is that dangerous thinking? Isn't that just stating a fact? I didn't say that we should be complacent, but I do think we should be realistic.

I think there is a danger though in promising people something that will happen in their life time, and then it not coming true. My best friend, a long time pioneer, left because she lost faith that this is the true religion because of promises that were "without a doubt true" but that never happened and that kept getting explained away. I personally feel it's a little presumptions to claim these things. Then some will say..."well, they were in it for the wrong reason, that's why they left". But what is it we are feeding in people when we put such emphasis on the imminent end? We are doing exactly that, we are encouraging serving Jehovah for the wrong reason. Not because he is a God deserving our exclusive devotion, but because of what we can get out of him very soon. I wonder, did Jesus have in mind attracting people to the Kingdom in such a way? Yes, of course we tell them to "repent" because the kingdom of the heavens has drawn near, yes it is good we are not complacent like other religions, yes it is good we keep a sense of urgency, and yes it is good to keep our hope alive and in front of us, but to make certain claims (or I should say the Slave, we just repeat what they say) which are blatantly erroneous, makes fools of others and us, and can cause people to stumble. Perhaps this is a test. How loyal are we to Jehovah "despite" man's errors. Another good friend of mine, a very zealous faithful sister, is not allowing the errors of man to slow her down, or stumble her. She  waves her hand in dismissal at the new explanation to why Armageddon hasn't come yet, aka the 'overlapping generation'. Pretty much in a similar manner as Br. Herd did in the December broadcast when talking about our "past" understanding of the generation. He seems to think we've finally got it. She thinks it's nonsense. Her motto is; when it comes it comes, in the meantime I am here to do my job. And if I die so what?  Hopefully I will be resurrected. And if not, I won't even care, will I?
When the Slave admits they've sometimes had wrong expectations, that doesn't mean we have to have those same wrong expectations too, does it?

3 hours ago, Top Cat O'Malighan said:

It sure took you long enough. Blaming TTH is always the way to go. What a jerk he is!

He's just doing his e e cummings false humility shtick. He's almost as bad as TrueTom.

32 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

2 hours ago, Anna said:

Of course I'm not saying you can't comment on posts addressed to other people

i hadn't ever thought of that as a problem to watch out for, but hopefully i will remember this to avoid future issues.

Or ME I meant as well, lol. I just realized I made it sound like I was saying you can't comment on posts addressed to me. You should know me better than that 

34 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

most direct way of clearing up the question from 'TrueTomHarley' about whether or not 'scholar JW' was 'Allen Smith' --based on Neil's own words.

Well then, lets blame @TrueTomHarley. Why is he even asking these questions. I think I know why, apparently we are reaching the "lets be silly and post memes and ad hominuuuuums" stage in the discussion...

It's funny reading your posts with no capitalization on the I.  I don't know if I can take you seriously. It's like trying to listen to someone delivering a somber speech with spinach stuck between their teeth.