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    Anna reacted to JW Insider in 'I Do Not Know Why We Persecute Jehovah's Witnesses,' Putin Says   
    The relevant portion is translated through bing as follows. I don't speak Russian, but can just about read it phonetically. After letting Bing and then Google translate, Google did a very good job overall, but this one portion appears to be better in Bing, but only for this one particular sentence that I've marked in red below.
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    V. Putin: Thank you.
    With regard to the first of your stories about this African students got to see, of course, nonsense kakaja‑to. From what you are telling, it's just kakaja‑to nonsense.
    And, of course, need to do what you suggest, to analyze the enforcement practice. And, if necessary, make adjustments to the kakie‑to.
    B. Ryakhovskiy: For this girl to me now turned to the European Court of Justice, I have continued to ...
    Putin: I don't know what denomination it belongs, she is Christian, but there are also a lot of directions. Jehovah's witnesses, too, Christians are being persecuted, I also do not really understand. So we just need to analyze, it is necessary to do so. I will talk with Vyacheslav Mikhailovich, and try to do it.
    The Russian language original is 95% down into the page that @Outta Here provided above.
    В.Ряховский: По этой девушке ко мне сейчас обратились, для того чтобы я продолжал в Европейский Суд…
    В.Путин: Я не знаю, к какой конфессии она принадлежит, она христианка, но там тоже много направлений. Свидетели Иеговы тоже христиане, за что их преследовать, я тоже не очень понимаю. Поэтому надо просто проанализировать, надо это сделать. Я переговорю с Вячеславом Михайловичем, и попробуем это сделать.
    The key word here is преследовать, which oddly enough can mean basically "chase" and therefore it can mean both prosecute and persecute. Formally you should to add a phrase that means "judicially" or "by trial" (i.e. преследовать + в судебном порядке, or преследовать + по суду ) and it means prosecute. Without these additions, I think it really should mean persecute, especially if used with a religion or minority in the context. Therefore, it SHOULD mean persecute here, but I suspect this translation could legally be challenged as just a less formal way of meaning "prosecute." 
    In fact, if you just go to translate.bing.com and type in преследовать, you will get the following, which includes both prosecute and persecute without the formal additions:
    Translations of  "преследовать" VERB haunt преследовать, логово, мучить, обитать pursue преследовать, проводить, осуществлять, добиваться, стремиться, следуем chase чейз, погони, преследовать, преследование, догнать, гоняться, гоньбы prosecute преследовать, судебного преследования, обвинить, наказывать, уголовное преследование, сажать, осудить persecute преследовать harass преследовать, беспокоить, изводить, домогаться, докучать, запугивания stalk стебель, преследовать, ножке, черенок, плодоножки, стеблю, палочка obsessing преследовать, одержимы, увлеченно © 2018 Microsoft ------------------
    For reference, I have also added Google's translation of larger portions of the context below. Both for the original question about JWs, and the context of the later discussion where Putin evidently brings up JWs on his own, even if the particular case (of the African med student "missionary" studying in Russia) was not a JW:
    -----------the rest of this post is Google's translation of excerpts from the link that Outta Here provided: ----------
    There is also a list, for example, of organizations that also have information that they are involved in extremism and terrorism. There are 489 of them, 404 of them are Jehovah's Witnesses. I will make here an ominous pause. Many, perhaps, there are claims to Jehovah's Witnesses - they don’t transfuse blood, don’t send children to the hospital - but they certainly don’t call for violence and don’t carry it out.

    So 404 of 489 - this is it. That’s how many terrorist organizations we have in the Russian Federation. Thus, I would like to express the hope that the anti-extremist legislation will, let's say, be moderated in accordance with the requirements of society and in accordance with the real level of crime.

    Because everyone has more or less understood that these searches for pictures on social networks and the initiation of cases on this issue - this does not contribute to strengthening anything, it does not correspond to any state interests, it does not prevent any terrorist acts.

    As we can see, when, unfortunately, this kind of thing happens, these are people who did not follow these lists, who did not come into the view of law enforcement agencies, because, of course, they do not post pictures on VKontakte, they do not communicate among themselves in open communities. They coordinate their actions completely differently.

    Thank.

    V.Putin: Thank you very much.

    Ekaterina Mikhailovna, I am very pleased that the questions, rather sharp questions, were raised precisely by you - an employee of the Institute of Social Sciences under the President of the Russian Federation.

    E.Shulman: Yes, I am now twice under the President of the Russian Federation, both at the place of work and in social activities.

    V.Putin: See, everything is the same.

    And they require careful consideration, all the questions you raised.

    Regarding Jehovah's Witnesses. Probably, we can, and even should at some point, be much more liberal to representatives of various religious sects, but we should not forget that our society does not consist solely of religious sects. 90 percent of the citizens of the Russian Federation, or so, consider themselves Orthodox Christians. We have three more practically traditional our religions, which the state provides assistance. We should treat the representatives of all religions in the same way - this is true, but nevertheless it is also necessary to take into account the country and the society in which we live. True, this does not mean at all that we should include representatives of religious communities in some destructive ones, not even in terrorist organizations. Of course, this is complete nonsense, you need to carefully deal with it, here I agree with you.

    You always return me to the case of Ponomarev, he is probably a truly respected person. But the judge, when he made the decision, do you think I knew that he was making the decision? Of course not. But when a judge makes such decisions, he does not proceed from merit or from something else. If it were a simple citizen who few people know, even the question would not be raised. The law is the same for everyone. To close relatives could be released at parting, at the funeral, there is no other case in the law. The judge is guided by these direct instructions of the text of the law itself, that's all. There is nothing like that, there is no ambush here, there is no political motive.

    About unauthorized rallies. Let's still come back to this and see. You yourself mentioned, said about Paris. See, there are victims already affected. The fight is mainly in the center of the capital, and a state of emergency has been declared because of this. How many pogroms there are, burnt cars, shops, the losses are not only in the state, but also in people who have nothing to do with the state, they are enormous. And all this time - like a match, and everything started.

    This does not mean at all that we should not analyze our own life and not look after the law that is in place in our country. But still, we must understand the world we live in. Liberal approach to an unauthorized rally. The hard answer from the state what? Water cannons, gas, batons, hundreds of delays - hundreds, can you imagine? Don't we know that? More recently, there have been heavy events in which the Constitution of the Russian Federation was adopted in force, in conditions of growing civil war, in fact, civil war! Crowds of people with weapons ran across Moscow, stormed the Ostankino, crawled along some kind of underground facilities, communications. Regular units of the Russian army were brought into Moscow, internal troops were involved, and they still fired at each other, not understanding what was happening. Chaos! Carefully need to treat this very. Although, of course, it is necessary to analyze the conditions in which we live and the rules that govern our life, including its side, which you mentioned.

    Please, I beg you.
    ---------------- skipping to the area near the end where Putin brings up JWs on his own---------------
    If the damage was mitigated, repaid, and the antisocial act is not so serious there.

    A.Sokurov: It is the New Year and Christmas amnesty.

    Vladimir Putin: Let's think, we have Christmas every year. We must carefully approach this.

    It is necessary to finish already. I promised, otherwise I will work until three in the morning.

    Here it is, that's all. Please, I beg you.

    V. Ryakhovsky: Vladimir Vladimirovich, thank you very much.

    To be honest, this is the first time in six years, the turn has reached me.

    I have two questions, I will try to short, saving time.

    In July 2016, a federal law was passed under the title “On the adoption of additional measures to counter terrorism”, the so-called “Spring Act” among the people.

    This law amended the law on freedom of conscience. The Law on Freedom of Conscience was supplemented by a chapter on missionary activity. The definition of missionary activity is given, the procedure for its conduct is established, to the extent that, in order for a person to speak about his convictions, he must be delegated by a religious organization and have a standard document.

    The Code of Administrative Offenses introduced Article 5.26 on establishing liability. A year and a half has passed, and I would very much like to ask the initiators of this law: has the goal, which was set by the authors, been achieved? According to this law, at least one extremist was held accountable?

    Nevertheless, law enforcement agencies initiated and brought to court more than 600 administrative cases involving representatives of various religious denominations, with the possible exception of one - the most widespread. These things are as unbelievable as imagination can probably be.

    Here is just one vivid example: Nizhny Novgorod, a student, a citizen of an African country, a sixth-year student at a medical university, is a little more than a month from state examinations. She gives an interview to one of the Internet channels, talks about herself, about her family, about her childhood, about how she has been a believer since childhood, a Christian, and in Russia she also comes to church, and all this helps her in her studies .

    Two administrative cases are brought against her. The first is for violating the rules of missionary activity, she is fined, the second is for violating the goals of staying in the Russian Federation. She arrived on a missionary visa, and here she says something about her convictions. And she is appointed in the second case a fine and expulsion from the Russian Federation. Fortunately, the appellate station probably had enough intelligence: they didn’t cancel these decrees, but they postponed her expulsion until they received the diploma, in just a few months.

    Interestingly, the basis of these cases was the expert opinion, which saw in this video hidden appeals, hidden missionary activity.

    That is, you understand what's the matter? Hidden. There are no obvious signs of missionary activity. And why are they not? Yes, because it is hidden, and because of this, she was brought to justice.

    I can bring a lot of such things, because this is part of my professional interests. The Constitution has a stable notion: when the freedom of conscience is revealed, it is said about the right to impart one’s beliefs. This measure, this rule of law appears, to put it mildly, simply manifestly excessive, it does not contribute to the harmonization of interfaith relations, but, on the contrary, leads to imbalance and violation of the constitutional rights of citizens.

    Therefore, Vladimir Vladimirovich, we kindly ask you to instruct the Supreme Court to simply summarize the practice. And then there are so many accumulated of these cases that you can just draw caricatures. It just comes to ridiculous! I just brought one thing, but in fact there are a lot of them. And to raise the question of generalizing this practice on 5.26 with respect to religious organizations, and in general, probably, raise the question of the expediency, to what extent is such regulation justified. There is the concept of "spreading religious beliefs." Why else to introduce the concept of "missionary activity"?

    The second question is completely irrelevant to this. Literally the day before, I had a meeting with several businessmen who responded to your May invitation to return to the Russian Federation after the years of emigration on the so-called Titov list.

    And indeed, it was precisely by believing your word and not doubting your innocence, because those behind whom there was something, I think, would not even come at your invitation. And the fact that several people have already returned to their homeland in the hope that, while at home, they will be able to recover and protect their good name.
    And one of the first defendants in the so-called Titov list, who returned to Russia after 13 years of forced emigration in London, became a businessman from Yekaterinburg Sergey Kapchuk. I met him. You should have seen his eyes after he arrived. Just burning, shining - he came home, he came, believing your call and believing that here is true today, unlike those years when he left, justice.

    But, alas, he encountered today the same methods of investigation from which he had once escaped. He was automatically charged since 2005. After reading the materials of the case, as he explained to me, the corruption scheme in the government of the Sverdlovsk region, in which it was used, simply became clear.

    They filed applications for the interrogation of specific people, heads of individual industries, confrontations - all of this consequence closes his eyes today, and, as we understood, is ready to bring the case to court, to hang up some conditional or slightly lax sentence, order to forget this thing.

    But he did not come for this. He did not come to be given a conditional sentence, not to be released under an amnesty, but to prove that he was innocent.

    Therefore, Vladimir Vladimirovich, kindly requested. The first is to give the General Prosecutor's Office to take over the cases of Sergei Kapchuk, and similar cases for the people who came, returned to Russia, to take control. And to you, of course, such a request, to still follow the fate of these people not until they returned, but in general, before the completion of their work.

    This case has a public outcry today. Why? Because others, those who still remain abroad today, they are closely watching the result of this business. This will be an example for them, as an urge to return to Russia too. And, fulfilling the request of Kapchuk, I just wanted to give you a short appeal from him.

    Thank you very much.

    V.Putin: Thank you.

    As for your first story about this African student, you need to look, of course, some sort of nonsense. From what you tell, it's just some kind of nonsense.

    And you need, of course, to do what you propose - to conduct an analysis of law enforcement practice. And if necessary, make some adjustments.

    V.Ryakhovsky: According to this girl, they now appealed to me, so that I would continue to the European Court ...

    V.Putin: I don’t know to which confession she belongs, she is Christian, but there are also many directions. Jehovah's Witnesses are also Christians, for which I do not really understand how to persecute them. Therefore, you just need to analyze, you need to do it. I will talk with Vyacheslav Mikhailovich, and try to do it.

    K. Kabanov: Thank you, Vladimir Vladimirovich.

    Dear Colleagues!

    You know, I actually, probably, in my 14 years of work, every time I hear that we have two problems: law enforcement agencies and bad laws.

    In fact, in the framework of the instructions you gave last time, Vladimir Vladimirovich, we dealt with the history of the criminalization of the teenage environment. But, as we were taught at previous duty stations, we must look deep into, look, study . . . . 
     
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    Anna reacted to Evacuated in 'I Do Not Know Why We Persecute Jehovah's Witnesses,' Putin Says   
    http://kremlin.ru/events/president/news/59374
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    Anna got a reaction from Space Merchant in Pedos in High Places   
    This is nothing surprising to me. I can't say this is happening right now, but not many years ago British pedophiles would travel to certain east European cities and seduce underage boys as young as 8.These boys would "prostitute" themselves for gifts, expensive meals and money. This is a true fact, and nothing much was done about it. It wasn't even organized crime back then, it probably is  now.
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    Anna reacted to Judith Sweeney in Shaming children from the stage...   
    @Shiwiii 
         Let's just say that this person/kid is going out in service, and is leading a double life.  Then they are subject to being reproved.    That is all.   It would be different if that person messed up and then went to the congregation elders for help.   That would show a repentant attitude.  
     
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    Anna reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in Shaming children from the stage...   
    I think Judith Sweeney meant not getting involved with Jehovah's Witnesses .... not leaving home at that early age.
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    Anna reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in I thought they were kidding buy yes Adriana is prettier than other Miss Nicaragua they had before   
    If you have a fetish for Hippopotami, Hippos are the prettiest animal.
     
    .... even the UGLY ones!
     
     
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    Anna reacted to Kosonen in Stalin has killed his millions, and Mao his tens of millions. REALLY?   
    I lived for a few years in the former USSR. I could hear comments why Stalin was admired. Some liked his brutality. One new broder liked Satalin's expression that translated sounds like: 'When a person is gone, the problem is gone.' = 'Нет человека, и нет проблемы.'
    Many liked also that Stalin was the leader that defeated the Germans and that he expanded the Soviet union. Especially the native Russians liked that. But subjugated territories were not so happy with that. 
    Actually the ethnic Russians were only about 50% of the Soviet union's population.
    My wife is from Latvia, and she has told me that they dreaded the Russians that Stalin transfered to Latvia. The Russians spyed on Latvians for slightest discontend. And many Latvians were caught and sent to Siberia and never came back. 
    Yeah, the Russians felt like they owned the world thanks to Stalin.
     
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    Anna reacted to TrueTomHarley in Stalin has killed his millions, and Mao his tens of millions. REALLY?   
    Wasn’t the saying of the workers in the USSR “We pretend to work and they pretend to pay us.”?
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    Anna got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in GOG = GOOGLE = אֶל־גֹּוג   
    Ha! That explains everything! No wonder I had problems with Google translating some words (as I posted in a topic on the "JW's Only" club) it didn't want me to find the truth!!!!!
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    Anna got a reaction from The Librarian in GOG = GOOGLE = אֶל־גֹּוג   
    Ha! That explains everything! No wonder I had problems with Google translating some words (as I posted in a topic on the "JW's Only" club) it didn't want me to find the truth!!!!!
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    Anna reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in How to Let Go of Someone You Love – It’s Painful, But You Can Do It   
    You know "it's over", when you wake up in a boat, several miles from shore, and your love is gazing compassionately at you, and your feet are encased in a large bucket of concrete.
    50 Ways to Leave Your Lover.mp4
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    Anna got a reaction from JW Insider in Stalin has killed his millions, and Mao his tens of millions. REALLY?   
    I remember the Polish film "A night with Stalin". I am not even sure if it is in English, but it portrayed Stalin as most people see him, as a crazed, murderous paranoiac. It was a good movie and quite chilling. But as with everything, there are always two sides to a story...
    Correction: It was a Russian film, directed by Yuri Kara, and was screened in the US under the name "The Feasts of Belshazzar"
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    Anna reacted to TrueTomHarley in Stalin has killed his millions, and Mao his tens of millions. REALLY?   
    I have another character, who has yet to be featured in a book, set up his own think tank. He surrounded himself with bookshelves and a globe, because that’s what smart people do. He also displayed prominently a skull, which caused him much misery when it turned out to be critical evidence in the Mugsy McDonery missing persons case.
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    Anna reacted to JW Insider in Stalin has killed his millions, and Mao his tens of millions. REALLY?   
    There are some very different, yet very detailed accounts of Stalin's death which bear little resemblance to each other. This one seems to make the best attempt at making sense of divergent claims: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3228382/
    And of course, Stalin had survived major plots against his person and his reputation, so he had a right to be paranoid. And while I know of no evidence that he had anyone killed, he imprisoned a lot of people, many unjustly. He made many stupid mistakes as a leader, and some resulted in injustice to many. His final days were spent with the four persons from whom his successor would be chosen. None of them trusted each other. Each of them knew that it was possible for the other to form a plot that would remove others from the running. It would be as if Trump had 4 VPs all equally ready and ambitious to take over if Trump was somehow removed from office during his term(s).
    When one of them, Khrushchev, finally did win out, he went on an anti-Stalin campaign that apparently dredged up anything and everything he could dig up on Stalin. He got General Zhukov to join him (easily one assumes, since Stalin had earlier demoted Zhukov for keeping German war booty as his own property). But Zhukov claimed that he had been talked into promoting anti-Stalin propaganda that included things that weren't true. Khrushchev himself later forgot some of the things he had said (or made up?) about Stalin and contradicted them in later speeches and writing, forgetting how bad he had made him out to be. The point of differentiating himself from Stalin was for consolidation of power, and the ability to dismiss his previous circle of competitors. He even had Baria executed I believe, as the head of the police would have had a lot of potential power and leverage with an eye on the leadership position. Khrushchev even asked that some of Stalin's old enemies get re-established into political life, if possible, even some of those who had plotted against Stalin, if possible. But Zhukov (and others) kept discovering that most of these old enemies really had plotted treasonously against Stalin and therefore couldn't "rehabilitate" them under those circumstances.
    But this is part of my point. By throwing Stalin under the bus, and going on a no-holds-barred anti-Stalin campaign, you'd think that Khrushchev could have included the fact of millions or at least thousands or maybe even several hundred wrongful deaths attributed to Stalin. The intended rehabilitation of Stalin's prisoners would have been able to accomplish at least a little of this.  Instead it was evidently on the order of much less, and Khrushchev couldn't even make much out of these, since their guilt was too obvious. Compare this with the fact that when Stalin dismissed his old chief of police and replaced him with Baria in 1939, that Stalin had at that time released a couple hundred thousand people who had been wrongfully imprisoned, and the executions virtually stopped.
    Also, to these same points, although we haven't looked at Mao yet, the exact same patterns emerge. Mao made some dumb mistakes too, and some cost a lot of lives (e.g., Three Pests Campaign), but the outrageous claims about 100,000,000 deaths also have no evidence going for them. The political reasons for these same propaganda patterns to have been reused here should be obvious.
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    Anna got a reaction from Arauna in Timeline of the 'Light Getting Brighter'   
    Sounds like the normal pattern of progress and development such as is made in technology, medicine, science etc...and everything else through the passage of time and history. Such is the limitation of man. So I don’t understand when it comes to spiritual knowledge and understanding, some expect we should comprehend everything suddenly and from day one. And what day would that be? Maybe they can tell us.
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    Anna reacted to Arauna in An interesting take on politics, conspiracies, and prophecies   
    There is slavery and there is injustice from worldly governments and the slavery which Christ calls us to - which is totally different.   There is also fleshly thinking and spiritual thinking.  The principals of Jehovah will definitely be slavery to some people. 
    I recall doing field service in South Africa during the apartheid / segregation years.  If some of those whiteys learn they have to live with black people in the new world they would decline to speak to us - similar to the militant black people who belong to the "five pennies" religion or the black Israelite movement.   This is slavery to them or something beneath them.  They close the kingdom for themselves by their attitudes.
    Well one can apply this lesson to almost anything.  How many people close the kingdom for themselves because of their unyielding attitudes - they are the first that will call yielding a form of slavery.  
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    Anna reacted to TrueTomHarley in An interesting take on politics, conspiracies, and prophecies   
    Leave me your address. I’ll look you up.
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    Anna reacted to TrueTomHarley in An interesting take on politics, conspiracies, and prophecies   
    Outside of the context of the Christian organization, anybody can say that they are anointed.
    I can say it. You can say it. Anyone can say it. They might be genuine. They might be deluded. They might even be lying through their teeth, angling for future prominence. How would anyone ever know?
    In theory, that could also be true of any member of the Governing Body. In practice, it is next to impossible. They have supplied evidence of their anointing through decades of time. They have supplied a track record. They are not people who, though supposedly 'godly,' really couldn't get along with anybody, but they have submitted their faith to practical full-time and unpaid test.  
    They have proven their Christian qualities. Usually they have served in areas far more lowly than that of the ones whom they will later lead. No phony is going to do this....full-time, long-term, and unpaid...but only the genuine article.
    In contrast, the case seems far weaker with so-called anointed who pop up with unique views and presently begin to separate themselves because they can't get along, grumbling that nobody is listening to them. I'm sorry...I just cannot get my head around renegade anointed roaming in the wilds.
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    Anna reacted to Arauna in An interesting take on politics, conspiracies, and prophecies   
    Yes - I agree - the government authorities have the authority and the expertise to assess if sexual abuse really happened, when and how.  We need only report it to the authorities - since the law for the reporting of this crime have now appeared in most first world countries.  The authorities must follow up on the abuse ........ but in many cases they do not because of fund restrictions!  England is up in arms because sex rings which have been operating for 15 years - where parents have gone to authorities themselves - and the police did nothing!  Police are too busy looking on-line to see who is speaking against the new privileged class!
    Of course elders will try to assess the problem in the congregation - but since this is the most difficult crime to prove - due to its secrecy - they may make mistakes.  Elders will have to keep an eye on the alleged perpetrator and if he moves they will let the next congregation know of the allegations.  Only proper authorities know how to obtain proof in most cases directly after it has happened!  When time passes it is easier for victim to testify or maybe as an adult.... 
    Children can be groomed too! - especially in bitter divorce cases.  So experts really need to assess this.  Since these laws have improved it has made the task for the elders easier.  This does not mean that they do not follow up.
    A pioneer sister brought a boy child to a meeting.  The parents of the child had asked her - they were not witnesses - merely a return visit.  A brothers kindly called her and said to her she must not do this again because she can be falsely accused..... so they really do try to protect us all.    Parents are responsible to see their children do not go to bathrooms alone and vet those they do field service with.   The elders cannot watch everything or know everything!
    The law of legal and spiritual confidentiality has not been removed from the statutes! So within the LAW,  legal council need not reveal if a person is guilty or not.... and this also stands if a person has confessed to a priest or spiritual leader.....  So lobby the government to remove this law if you feel it is unrighteous. 
     
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    Anna got a reaction from JOHN BUTLER in An interesting take on politics, conspiracies, and prophecies   
    You keep mentioning the "truly" anointed ones. Did you know any personally?  I have known quite a few in my life time and I believe they were "truly" anointed, but I don't recall them ever having a problem with calling God; Jehovah. 
    I am sure you have mentioned it, but I am still not sure what you consider wicked acts, in order to prove themselves a wicked slave. I know the pedophilia issue is one thing. But looking at my brothers and sisters (and I have belonged to quite a few congregations in different countries) I cannot say that those who apply Bible principles in their life are adversely affected. In fact many are extremely grateful they have found the congregation of JWs  because they have helped them discover Bible truths, and help them live by Bible principles. You can listen to their life stories to see they are genuinely happy they have found this brotherhood.  I am not denying there are a few bad individuals in congregations, and some loopy ones, but those always get rooted out eventually. It's nothing new, there have always been some who are wicked, even in Bible times, but there is nothing hidden from Jehovah that won't be revealed. So we have nothing to be worried about.
     
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    Anna got a reaction from ComfortMyPeople in An interesting take on politics, conspiracies, and prophecies   
    You keep mentioning the "truly" anointed ones. Did you know any personally?  I have known quite a few in my life time and I believe they were "truly" anointed, but I don't recall them ever having a problem with calling God; Jehovah. 
    I am sure you have mentioned it, but I am still not sure what you consider wicked acts, in order to prove themselves a wicked slave. I know the pedophilia issue is one thing. But looking at my brothers and sisters (and I have belonged to quite a few congregations in different countries) I cannot say that those who apply Bible principles in their life are adversely affected. In fact many are extremely grateful they have found the congregation of JWs  because they have helped them discover Bible truths, and help them live by Bible principles. You can listen to their life stories to see they are genuinely happy they have found this brotherhood.  I am not denying there are a few bad individuals in congregations, and some loopy ones, but those always get rooted out eventually. It's nothing new, there have always been some who are wicked, even in Bible times, but there is nothing hidden from Jehovah that won't be revealed. So we have nothing to be worried about.
     
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    Anna got a reaction from Arauna in An interesting take on politics, conspiracies, and prophecies   
    I still don't get why you haven't been yet..... Who knows, perhaps you might find out this person has already been reported, and the police are taking care of it, or not doing anything. If I were you, with your concerns over child molesters getting away with it, or being protected, or children still being in danger,  I would want to know!
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    Anna got a reaction from Arauna in An interesting take on politics, conspiracies, and prophecies   
    You keep mentioning the "truly" anointed ones. Did you know any personally?  I have known quite a few in my life time and I believe they were "truly" anointed, but I don't recall them ever having a problem with calling God; Jehovah. 
    I am sure you have mentioned it, but I am still not sure what you consider wicked acts, in order to prove themselves a wicked slave. I know the pedophilia issue is one thing. But looking at my brothers and sisters (and I have belonged to quite a few congregations in different countries) I cannot say that those who apply Bible principles in their life are adversely affected. In fact many are extremely grateful they have found the congregation of JWs  because they have helped them discover Bible truths, and help them live by Bible principles. You can listen to their life stories to see they are genuinely happy they have found this brotherhood.  I am not denying there are a few bad individuals in congregations, and some loopy ones, but those always get rooted out eventually. It's nothing new, there have always been some who are wicked, even in Bible times, but there is nothing hidden from Jehovah that won't be revealed. So we have nothing to be worried about.
     
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    Anna reacted to The Librarian in Let us not underestimate JWI   
    Words cannot express how much I love this thread. 
    Smiling.....
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    Anna reacted to JW Insider in Let us not underestimate JWI   
    Also, doesn't this belong in Anna's "dark web" prophecy/conspiracy thread?
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