Anna

He shot himself.

My understanding of Jehovah is that he is very understanding of our circumstances and hardships, an that is why He nowhere in the Bible prohibits or speaks against  suicide.
Those who believe otherwise are just playing with a lot of words that apply to other things, but not this.

Last September, our congregation lost a loving, exemplary sister, aged 61, when she gassed herself to death in her car!
She had struggled with bi-polar disease her entire life. When she and her Elder husband attempted a permanent Bethel assignment, her illness prevented them from staying. They were happily married and zealous for 30-some years. He died of cancer in September of 2019.
Then her JW mother died w dementia in Feb 2022. I thought: “Now she’ll see what life is like for single sisters w no family in Truth (she did have JW bro and sis-in-law in Oregon).” She was left not needing to work secularly, but the losses played along with her illness and she caved.

I just found out yesterday that a brother who used to date one of the sisters from our hall killed himself two days ago. They had got in trouble and were both disfellowshipped. Then they both got reinstated but the sister started dating someone else and 3 months ago got married. Apparently he just couldn't get over it. He was only 23.

I just found out yesterday that a brother who used to date one of the sisters from our hall killed himself two days ago. They had got in trouble and were both disfellowshipped. Then they both got reinstated but the sister started dating someone else and 3 months ago got married. Apparently he just couldn't get over it. He was only 23.

I just found out yesterday that a brother who used to date one of the sisters from our hall killed himself two days ago. They had got in trouble and were both disfellowshipped. Then they both got reinstated but the sister started dating someone else and 3 months ago got married. Apparently he just couldn't get over it. He was only 23.

Yes, you two. How does it feeeeeel? Yeah, how does it feeeeel, to be on your own? With no direction hoooome. A complete unknow . . .
Oh, wait. That was a typo. He meant banned, not band.
Sorry

Exactly, and for good reason.
Don't worry about "Noisy Raclette" (oh I do love that cheese, used to have it every weekend for a few weeks. It takes a while to eat when you get half the round). He has a few other names that he used to go by. Don't you Allen?

Exactly, and for good reason.
Don't worry about "Noisy Raclette" (oh I do love that cheese, used to have it every weekend for a few weeks. It takes a while to eat when you get half the round). He has a few other names that he used to go by. Don't you Allen?

Exactly, and for good reason.
Don't worry about "Noisy Raclette" (oh I do love that cheese, used to have it every weekend for a few weeks. It takes a while to eat when you get half the round). He has a few other names that he used to go by. Don't you Allen?

Hmmmmm….. Perhaps he will expound on that.
 
 

Except Moise.  He said the other day that he did not have access to the Closed Forum.

Where is your respect for truthful speech?! 
Every single news report told that Police said that they were MARRIED and FORMER MEMBERS of the Congregation. 
Why the contentious spirit? 
Who are you?

Hmm....they were banned from the hall....sounds like there was a lot of animosity between the two parties...
Whatever it was it was enough to drive a man to kill his wife and himself....

Hmm....they were banned from the hall....sounds like there was a lot of animosity between the two parties...
Whatever it was it was enough to drive a man to kill his wife and himself....

@Pudgy@Anna@TrueTomHarley@xero@Thinking@Moise Racette
Denver7News did an update tonight. They sound like more than disfellowshipped, but what police term ‘issues with the congregation’ and ‘couple was not welcome at KHall’ might be ‘disfellowshipped’ explained by worldly person. 
According to JW.org, there are 3 congregations meeting at that Hall: 2 English & 1 Spanish. The Congregation that meets at 9:30am Sunday is the Sherrelwood Congregation. They responded with condolences as was reported in earlier news report. 

 Couple that died outside of Thornton Kingdom Hall had 'issues' with congregation
https://www.denver7.com/news/local-news/couple-that-died-outside-of-thornton-kingdom-hall-had-issues-with-congregation-were-no-longer-welcome

Actions speak louder than words. Always.

The reason my libertarian relative can be forgiven for thinking Lincoln cared only about preserving the union and not freeing slaves was that the man said just that. You can’t fault a person for taking another at his word, can you? True, Lincoln was just being cagey as he built a consensus, without which he knew his emancipation project would go up in smoke, but how is the casual onlooker to know that?
“My paramount object in this struggle is to save the union and is not either to save or to destroy slavery,” Lincoln wrote in response to a New York Tribune editorial. “if I could save the union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that.”
The New York Tribune had no way of knowing that Lincoln had already committed himself to a course that would eclipse anything they might have dreamed of, but it was too soon to tip his hand. Too many people cared only about preservation and not a whit about freeing slaves. They would not buy into a program focused on the latter. Toward the end of his life, Horace Greeley, the Tribune editor who penned the letter prompting Lincoln’s reply, would tire and retreat from his own abolition/reconstruction crusade, but Lincoln never did, nor did Grant, his successor after Johnson.
The best way to measure a man’s racism or lack thereof back then was to gauge Frederick Douglass’s reaction to them. Douglass, the escaped slave who had taught himself to read and write, then went on to take his place among the best writers of any age, was a frequent critic of Lincoln in his early (and later) presidency. Then they met. 
Douglass dropped by the White House, unannounced, at the suggestion of allies, and presented his card. He had expected to wait hours. Instead, he was ushered in within minutes “I was never more quickly or more completely put at ease in the presence of a great man than in that of Abraham Lincoln,” he later said. 
From Doris Goodwin’s Team of Rivals: “The president was seated in a chair when Douglas entered the room, surrounded by a multitude of books and papers, his feet and legs were extended in front of his chair. ‘At my approach he slowly drew his feet in from the different parts of the room into which they had strayed and he began to rise.’ As Lincoln extended his hand in greeting Douglas hesitantly began to introduce himself. ‘I know who you are Mr Douglass,’ Lincoln said. Mr Seward [Secretary of State and 60-mile-away neighbor] has told me all about you. Sit down, I am glad to see you.’ Lincoln’s warmth put Douglas instantly at ease. Douglass later maintained that he had never seen a more transparent countenance.”
"Here comes my friend Douglas!" Lincoln later loudly proclaimed at his second inaugural ball to which Douglass almost didn’t gain admittance, due to a long-standing policy of barring Blacks. “I am glad to see you.” He pressed him for his reaction to his talk (previous post). Douglass demurred, embarrassed to be monopolizing the president when there were hundreds pressing to see him. “You must stop a little, Douglass,” Lincoln said. “There is no man in the country whose opinion I value more than yours. I want to know what you think of it?” Douglass said at last the it was a “sacred effort” and Lincoln beamed.
Frederick Douglass would later recall that “of all the men he had met, Lincoln was the first great man that I talked with in the United states freely who in no single instance reminded me of the difference between himself and myself, of the difference of color.” It is a statement, Goodwin observes, that is all the more remarkable when one reflects that Douglass had interacted with dozens of while abolitionists.
It was the same with the 18th president as it was with the 16th. Douglass had frequent access to Grant. But not with the 17th president. Douglass, heading a Black delegation, met Johnson only once. “Those damned sons of bitches thought they had me in a trap!” Johnson gloated afterwards. “I know that damned Douglass; he's just like any n****r, and he would sooner cut a white man's throat than not.” God works through human governments? In two sentences, all that Lincoln had accomplished was undone. 
Thus, William Seward’s retort to Stephen Douglas, who was then angling for the job, proved wrong: “No man will ever be President of the United States who spells 'negro' with two g’s.” Then, again, it’s not as though Johnson was elected president. They had to kill a better man to get him in. An impeachment, which failed by a single vote to convict, almost got him out.

In both cases there were women involved. One was married recently and they were having issues that no one knew about. The pool incident was just a depressed young man who felt rejected by another sister (not her fault because he was frankly a bit odd).
Logically neither of these situations merited these responses, but having previous to becoming a JW known two other people who committed suicide, the idea that you can see it coming is incorrect. You never see it. Nothing ever rises to the level of "This behavior = a suicide". In fact both seemed cheerful the weeks previous, so after these I gave up the illusion that you can spot it. Sometimes it's just young men who have an impulse and then they act on it. I think that's more likely in these situations locally. When you get older you learn how to manage your emotions better. 

FYI - In my congregation we had two suicides, and our sister congregation had a couple who drove off to Florida and gassed themselves. One of the suicides was a fellow young elder and that was really hard and I didn't see it coming. The other one was a young man who took some sleeping pills and drowned himself. The couple I didn't know other than in passing and I got a mental vibe off them like there was something wrong with them before it happened. The young man who took some sleeping pills was a missed opportunity. I felt bad about him because he kept "making up" stuff to confess to and I tried to explain to him that the things he was doing weren't great, but didn't rise to the level of judicial intervention. At the time I was just really exhausted. I was working full time, pioneering, handling the school and I was just used up. I didn't have the band width to deal w/needy. Maybe I should have made room, but he had another brother who was doing OK and his parents and it's not like I was the only elder available. He wasn't even in my book study.

There seem to be a lot of "don't knows" in this latest report:
https://www.denverpost.com/2022/12/26/jehovah-witness-murder-suicide-pipe-bombs-thornton/
and this:
https://www.9news.com/video/news/local/neighbors-describe-overhearing-the-murder-suicide-at-jehovahs-witness-kingdom-hall/73-5c6251b9-2eff-4529-bc8f-9656763d6142
 
 

A pipe bomb is basically a grenade. 
 
 

Anna,
My best guess with the information we have at this moment in time is that the victim and the murderer or both were members of that particular congregation.
Whether it was because they died, or were  disfellowshipped or some other thing is ambiguous at this moment in time. They MAY have even been current JWs at a different Kingdom Hall.
At any rate, my best guess is that if these people were ever Jehovah’s Witnesses, it will not be mentioned on JW.org news.
It’s like the reporting they did on humanitarian aid of Haiti when they had the earthquake, and the Society worked with the United Nations and the U.S. Army distributing relief supplies.
You never heard that aspect of it, And almost nothing was reported on JW.org news.

@Moise Racette@Anna@Pudgy@Thinking
@TrueTomHarley
Then why do we all know… What Noah’s daughters did to him? What Saul did to David? What David did to Uriah and Bathsheba? What Amnon did to Tamar? How Peter betrayed his Lord? What Ananias and Sapphira did with the profit earned from sale of their field? The list is extensive.
Isn’t there is a double standard when Jehovah is so honest and his people are secretive and deceitful?  It seems to be more a game of asserting one’s privilege and power to be “in the know” on matters, like this of general fellow feeling and concern for safety going forward. Aren’t we admonished to be imitators of God?

The best thing would be if we got the facts from the brothers at that KH. But it's like trying to draw blood out of a stone....
Is it all about trying to make us look squeaky clean again?
I wonder if this will be mentioned on our website....With the facts? 
Let's all have a bet, yay on nay?