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    Anna got a reaction from Thinking in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    This is rubbish. That would be like saying you can't bond with your brothers and sisters or seek out friends from other congregations.
    You know very well that what was meant was that the anointed should not group together for the purpose of organizing a kind of "elite" club and separating themselves from the rest of the flock. The anointed feel they do not need to do this in order to be members of Christ's body. Christ's body is not dependent on physical or spiritual closeness only with each other. The anointed know they are part of Christ's body and humbly work with the congregation they are at, encouraging and supporting the rest of the flock. The Christian congregation does not consist of "us" and "them" but it is one united flock. It is after their resurrection all anointed will be physically together in heaven with Jesus, and they humbly wait for this. "Praised be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, for according to his great mercy he gave us a new birth to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an incorruptible and undefiled and unfading inheritance.  It is reserved in the heavens for you"  (1 Peter 1:3,4 )
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    Anna got a reaction from Thinking in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    I have heard it said (by elders too) that if we get to the other side, we may be surprised at who we see there and surprised at who we don't see there. Which goes to show that although we might have ideas, and judge others, we just don't know, only God does.
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    Anna got a reaction from Thinking in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    Yes, you're good at twisting and flipping words around I must admit.
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    Anna got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    She also insists that we believe that 99.9% of people will be destroyed (or whatever number it is) because Br. Lett said so, and that Br.Lett (or was it Morris) also decides who is wicked. I find it too tedious to argue such nonsense...
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    Anna got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    I have heard it said (by elders too) that if we get to the other side, we may be surprised at who we see there and surprised at who we don't see there. Which goes to show that although we might have ideas, and judge others, we just don't know, only God does.
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    Anna reacted to Arauna in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    We know exactly where the changes were made - there are at least 5 master copies of the holy Bible that were made from a comparison of all the extant manuscripts (they were compared with one another and all the anomalies noted),  so yes - unlike other religions this record (the bible) his the most scrutinized document on earth.... with the most enemies who wish to discredit it.  Other so-called documents have not been scrutinized to this extent.
    So yes - the bible is truth and the very few differences does not affect the main theme of the bible or the personality and qualities of the One who wrote it.  The differences do not in any way shape or change the fundamental truths. Your biased viewpoint is showing up!  You want to give yourself leeway to be able to have all your own opinions and reject some of the truths contained in it?  john 17:17  " 17 Sanctify them by[a] the truth; your word is truth.
    I can detect when she is exaggerating and twisting scriptures but she lies and slanders badly too!   So it is hard to  always  overlook that kind of behavior.  It does not matter if a good point is made, or a weak point - she will find a way to twist it.
    Many opposers show this kind of hate-OCD..... I call it that this condition because I recognize the signs very quickly when a person is operating in that kind of mode.   The person can choose to be more reasonable .....but they fall back into the same old same old repetitive behavior as if they cannot help themselves.  Reasonableness has fled!
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    Anna reacted to Arauna in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    Yes, we also have learnt before, that just like 144, 000 are sealed those who will receive the earthly promise will also be marked by the one with the inkpot - and the Christian personality will be the criteria.  Ezekiel 9. 
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    Anna reacted to Arauna in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    To forgive a great sin against you is surely the one act that jehovah would appreciate and reward.... so work on it.  Your everlasting life is important to all of us. 
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    Anna reacted to TrueTomHarley in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    Yes, of course. Believing in Jesus whole-heartedly doesn’t mean beans in itself—unless you define “whole-heartedly” as embracing the scriptures you included:

    Though the crazy faux-anointed person here appends scriptures to her comments for tonnage, she can never find the relevant ones, as you have.  
    When it comes to who will be saved, the Christian organization is not authorized to go beyond what the scripture plainly says: 
    “Baptism, which corresponds to this, is also now saving you…” (1 Peter 3:21)
    If they have any private thoughts on this, those they must keep to themselves. Of course, baptism assumes doing it the biblical way, not the sprinkled baptism of infants, not the baptism to the hellfire/trinity God. 
    The governing brothers choose not to speculate on this matter. They choose to be bounded by 1 Peter 3:21. We, who do not have a worldwide association of brothers to coach, (though Her Craziness thinks she does) are freer to speculate. When a loved one of mine was asked specifically whether this one or that one will be saved, she replied that she was not Jesus and didn’t know.
    The organization does the best it can. Not all scriptures dovetail. It remains to be seen how certain things will work out. “You will by no means complete the circuit of the cities of Israel until the Son of man arrives.” (Matt 10:23) throws a monkey wrench into worldwide coverage. This verse has been cited to show not every person will be adequately reached, maybe not at all, so the question arises just what is God going to do about that come Armageddon? From what I can recall, they only gingerly touch that one. (They have said in the past that the mentally incompetent should get a free pass, so maybe we’re all okay here.)
    At any rate, the Watchtower statement to carry the day is easily found on the website. To the question, “Do Jehovah’s Witnesses feel they are the only ones who will be saved?” included in the answer is: “In any case, it’s not our job to judge who will or won’t be saved. That assignment rests squarely in Jesus’ hands.” If they have seemed to judge in the past, it’s because they don’t feel free to blow away1 Peter 3:21 as though it were nothing.
    https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/who-saved/
    Then, too, from the Insight book (under the topic Destruction) comes this beaut, that indicates we don’t even know ones destroyed by Jehovah suffer eternal destruction: 
    The Bible indicates that not all destruction is eternal. This is demonstrated by the fact that the Hebrew word ʼavad·dohnʹ (destruction) is used twice to parallel “Sheol.” (Job 26:6; Pr 15:11) ….When speaking of the destruction of the rebels Dathan and Abiram, Moses wrote that they went down “alive into Sheol.” (Nu 16:31, 33) Since Sheol in the Bible denotes the common grave of mankind from which there will be a resurrection, it is evident that not all destruction—not even all destruction at the hand of God—is necessarily eternal.
    So even Patiently Sitting on his Hands, that piece of work, who thinks he will not survive Armageddon and assumes that gives him the stature to advise others….well, maybe he is right and he won’t survive and still I’ll see that dodo on the other side someday, in which case I’ll take back the bad things I’ve said about him and maybe he’ll do the same with me.
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    Anna reacted to JW Insider in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    I thought the WT study on Sunday was perfect. It was about readiness for baptism, but the primary theme was about stripping off the old personality and putting on a new Christian personality. People complain about the idea that we tie baptism to an organization. But the primary intention is alway about doing our best to meet the standards of Jehovah's heavenly organization, an organization that only INCLUDES an imperfect earthly part. Also, I don't think that anyone would complain that an Amish baptism is meant to identify you as part of an Amish church, for example. All well-organized churches keep membership roles.
    But back to the WT article. It should be clear that baptism discussions are never about an organizational focus. It's always more about our Christian personality. I don't think even the die-hard WTS haters would find a thing wrong with last Sunday's WT article.
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    Anna reacted to Arauna in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    People can make anything divine if they want to.  They will even kill you in the name of god and think they are doing God a favor.  Neither is it about consent.    
    It is about accepting the reality that Jehovah is the creator and his son provided the ransom.  It is about accepting that his written Word is reality and the history and prophecies are absolutely true and those not yet fulfilled - will come true.  It is about actively living the life of a Christian which includes upbuilding the congregation and mixing with fellow believers in  unselfish love.... and most of all:- to preach the kingdom which has already started ruling. To recognize the brothers of Christ and the job they are doing. To build up the entire body of Christ and start to live the life in pure worship which you hope to do forever. 
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    Anna reacted to xero in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    You know if Jesus didn't want us to judge whether or not to bother with talking to some people he wouldn't have told us not to cast our pearls before swine.  BUT I suppose SOME people are pig-whisperers.
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    Anna got a reaction from Arauna in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    He is "essentially labeling"? I don't think so. He is only going by what Jesus said; that many more are on the road to destruction than those on the road to life. And no, he wasn't judging anyone, he leaves the judging to Jesus, as all of us do.
    Yes, we agree God reads hearts, and yes, He will determine who is saved, regardless of what we think. For those who whole heartedly believe in Jesus there is a warning;  “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works* in your name?’ And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’"
    AND "Furthermore, everyone hearing these sayings of mine and not doing them will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand".
    I had a class mate at school who believed in Jesus whole heartedly. She slept around and smoked.
     
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    Anna got a reaction from Arauna in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    I would say they are the same in that particular context. If someone is uneducated and only interested in basics, they are not going to be open to other ideas to be able to make an informed decision and therefor accept or not accept the good news. But Jehovah can read hearts, so he knows how the person might have reacted if their circumstances were different....
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    Anna got a reaction from xero in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    He is "essentially labeling"? I don't think so. He is only going by what Jesus said; that many more are on the road to destruction than those on the road to life. And no, he wasn't judging anyone, he leaves the judging to Jesus, as all of us do.
    Yes, we agree God reads hearts, and yes, He will determine who is saved, regardless of what we think. For those who whole heartedly believe in Jesus there is a warning;  “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works* in your name?’ And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’"
    AND "Furthermore, everyone hearing these sayings of mine and not doing them will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand".
    I had a class mate at school who believed in Jesus whole heartedly. She slept around and smoked.
     
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    Anna got a reaction from xero in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    You know when they verbalize it, it means they are offended, and if they've done something bad, they need someone to blame. Those who are really stumbled are rarely aware they've been stumbled.
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    Anna got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    He is "essentially labeling"? I don't think so. He is only going by what Jesus said; that many more are on the road to destruction than those on the road to life. And no, he wasn't judging anyone, he leaves the judging to Jesus, as all of us do.
    Yes, we agree God reads hearts, and yes, He will determine who is saved, regardless of what we think. For those who whole heartedly believe in Jesus there is a warning;  “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works* in your name?’ And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’"
    AND "Furthermore, everyone hearing these sayings of mine and not doing them will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand".
    I had a class mate at school who believed in Jesus whole heartedly. She slept around and smoked.
     
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    Anna got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    You know when they verbalize it, it means they are offended, and if they've done something bad, they need someone to blame. Those who are really stumbled are rarely aware they've been stumbled.
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    Anna reacted to TrueTomHarley in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    Ha! Right in the title we see how JWI is playing with us all, up to his old tricks of putting the cart before the horse:
    How a Christmas song would lead me to beleive that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.
    Is it “I before E except after L?” I don’t think so.
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    Anna reacted to TrueTomHarley in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    Sure. I have no idea who will be saved or not. Nor does it make any difference to my personal responsibility to make known the good news.
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    Anna reacted to xero in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    Anytime I hear the whiney sound "I was stumbled!" I want to dump a bucket of ice water over that person's head.
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    Anna reacted to JW Insider in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    This is very true. (I never thought it did, either.) It occurred to me to include the scripture because it's a reference I had in mind when @Anna was speaking of those in Calcutta, for example.
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    Anna reacted to Arauna in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    This verse does not literaly imply we are saving anyone. It is the action of preaching which saves because it involves the other person to listen and obey. They themselves have to bring of themself to jehovah AFTER we have done our duty out of love. 
    However, we should all be careful by our verbal  communications and actions to not be a cause of stumbling.  It is not what goes in but what comes out which defiles us.
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    Anna reacted to xero in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    ...he would have better said "provided an OPPORTUNITY to be saved"...
    But you know that already.
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    Anna reacted to xero in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    To me this is why I don't sweat it when someone says that I gave a "bad witness". I try not to, but it's going to happen and happen repeatedly. We all have patterns. I just keep trying and relax while doing so. Straining to me or OCD-like obsessive behavior like somehow I held the life of another person in my hands is spiritual narcissism in my view. The same kind of spiritual narcissism I see in apostates. If the GB screws up, so what? They'll figure out how they screwed up and do better next time. I doesn't change me or my responsibility to take charge and responsibility for my own actions or beliefs. You want to know who's engaging in idolatrous creature-worship? It's apostates. They imagine the organization is equal to Jehovah or Jesus and they aren't. We aren't Catholics with a holy see and a pope. Jehovah may be using the organization, but it's not infallible, nor do they have any urim and thummim. They have the bible, just like the rest of us. It isn't "disrespectful" to take note of that. The path to apostasy in my view is an over-reliance on human organizations as if these were Jehovah or Jesus. Organizations are necessary, but not sufficient. They can't point the way, but we individually have to make decisions. We CAN disagree and make our own conscientious decisions and we should. True that some of us in my view want to ride the coat-tails of others, but eventually they'll be bumped off by time and circumstance to stand on their own biblical legs.
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