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    Anna reacted to JW Insider in The Final Phase of Christ's Presence soon to be revealed...   
    You appear to have conflated two different GB meetings. In 1980 (when there were about 15 active GB members) only 3 GB members had their names on the memo to discuss moving the beginning of the "generation that will not pass away" from October 4, 1914 to October 4, 1957. It was the "brain-child" of Bro. Bert Schroeder, and my guess is that the other two GB members whose names are on the memo were only included because Bert Schroeder was the chairman of that committee and the others (Booth and Suiter, if I recall) happened to be on the same committee. It's not like the other two signed or promoted the idea. It was just brought to the table for discussion. Bert Schroeder was serious about it, but if you knew Suiter and Booth, I don't think they would have been strong advocates of it or even had much of an opinion about it.
    The idea that such things as satellites and rockets in space could be signs in heavens was already hinted at during the study of the book "Your Will Be Done on Earth."  The book was written in 1958, but it's still on the jw.org website, because that book was reprinted in the Watchtowers from November 1958 to June 1960. And those articles are on the site. But the most similar ideas to this (before 1980) were the talks that sometimes tied the verses in Luke 21 to the fear of the nuclear age and the new dangers of combining the space race with the nuclear age. Sputnik itself was usually treated in the publications as not a specific threat. Even though Sputnik was also mentioned in the same 1959 article that mentioned the signs in the sun moon and stars, below, no direct connection had been drawn from Sputnik to the "signs:"
    *** w59 6/1 p. 335 par. 46 “Look! I Am Making All Things New” ***
    “ [“Also, there will be signs in the sun and moon and stars] On the earth anguish of nations, not knowing the way out . . . , while men become faint out of fear and expectation of the things coming upon the inhabited earth.”
    Nuclear fears increased in the early 1960's (e.g. Bay of Pigs, Cuba, 1961) and an even closer connection was then drawn between Luke 21:25,26 and these "signs in the heavens." But they were tied to the generation starting in 1914, of course:
    *** w62 3/1 pp. 131-132 God’s New World in Our Generation ***
    Today in this nuclear, space age there is indeed “anguish of nations, not knowing the way out.” There is no need for proof of this; it is apparent to anyone who observes world events.
    But when did this period of distress of nations begin? With this generation! That is why the new world comes within our generation! World War I marked the beginning of worldwide “anguish of nations.”
    That exact same idea was repeated in the May 15 and October 15 Watchtowers of the same year, 1962. And then again in 1965:
    *** w65 5/1 pp. 261-262 Cheer amid World Fear ***
    Now, too, man has succeeded in sending his space vehicles around and onto the moon, even obtaining remarkable close-up photographs of the lunar surface. The thrill of such scientific achievement, however, is not without widespread feeling of uneasiness, for it is well known that both of the great blocs of nations now confronting each other in cold-war array are planning to be the first to plant a military mission on the moon and use it to scrutinize the installations and movements of the enemy. So the moon is no longer just a gently beaming light for the night sky. It has become a cause for deepening anxiety. And what may yet be discovered, as man turns his attention to nearby planets, is likewise certain to promote the dread feeling of insecurity and uncertainty.
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    WORLD FEAR FORETOLD
    Nineteen hundred years ago Christ Jesus foresaw this fear-gripped generation, and pointed to the immediate cause: “There will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth anguish of nations, not knowing the way out because of the roaring of the sea and its agitation, while men become faint out of fear and expectation of the things coming upon the inhabited earth; for the powers of the heavens will be shaken.” (Luke 21:25, 26)
    The material in the 1968 Truth book pointing to 1975 also brought up the connection again. After that the idea seemed to have been dropped from publications for over a decade (1968-1982).
    Since 1982, it's been common to see a general connection between the signs in the heavens and military capabilities in the sky and space, but not in a way that could limit the sign to just the nuclear age or the space age. The following statement (with the inclusion of military planes and rockets) could have application to the time from about WWI to now, or even perhaps going further back in time (e.g. the rockets red glare, and bombs bursting in air):
    *** w82 5/15 p. 14 par. 10 The Signs of the Times—What Do They Mean to You? ***
    With the stockpiling of armaments racing beyond the control of the nations, the literal sea itself is filled with war equipment in the form of ships and submarines capable of carrying deadly nuclear warheads that can wipe out millions of people with a single missile. Indeed, the sea is roaring and ‘agitated.’ And what about the sky and space above us? True to Jesus’ words, ‘the powers of the heavens have been shaken’ in that war planes, rockets, ballistic missiles and the like, can streak through space, across oceans and continents to strike enemy targets.
     
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    Anna reacted to Pudgy in The Final Phase of Christ's Presence soon to be revealed...   
    The Governing Body has a procedure on how they decide "New Light".
    Someone comes up with an idea, and they discuss it among themselves, and then they vote on the adoption of the "New Light" 
    It takes a 2/3 majority to carry the proposal.
    That means if there are eight GB members then at least 5.333 have to be for the idea for it to become official doctrine.  Say, six members.
    In 1957 when Sputnik was launched the above idea was proposed, that artificial satellites, and Sputnik in particular, would be the fulfillment of Bible Prophesy as regards "signs in the heavens", etc.
    I do not remember how many GB members there were back then, as I was just a Puppy, but a 2/3 majority did not carry the day. If memory serves (?) it did pass, but one GB member went to the restroom, and when he came back, he changed his vote.
     
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    Anna reacted to Pudgy in The Final Phase of Christ's Presence soon to be revealed...   
    I realize that I am not as smart as humans, but I am smart enough to realize that EVERYBODY, without exception has been wrong 100% of the time about the fulfillment of Biblical prophesy in modern times.
    Interpreting invisible things without a shred of evidence is a tough gig.
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    Anna reacted to TrueTomHarley in Now this is strange one. Who really is to blame here ? What could the Elders have done ?   
    @Anna@ThinkingThere is an update on this. Turns out there was no censure at all, and it took the coroner himself to set the record straight. 
    ”We would like to state that at no time did the Coroner find that opportunities existed and/or were missed by any individual or group to prevent the murder.”
    https://redditchstandard.co.uk/news/clarification-of-coroners-findings/?fbclid=IwAR1YUsWpy38RFhiS4mBvYA8f_oHJ-z95XSLSMHMXv2YFunyMEKwS5ipX2yM
    Once again, the story was posted here by a dodo who presents his wishful thinking as though it was fact.
     
     
     
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    Anna got a reaction from César Chávez in SpaceX and Falling Debris   
    Like I said, he's nothing but a troll...
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    Anna got a reaction from César Chávez in Love and Funerals in the Age of Zoom   
    I am glad you shared this. I had a very similar experience just this past week with a memorial for an older sister that died. I was so impressed with the experience that I was almost moved to want to share it on here but then I thought nobody would be interested. So I'm glad you brought it up. 
    Our memorial had only half the attendance of yours, but we had people I had never met, from various  states as far as NY and California. It was very interesting meeting everyone. The memorial talk was one of the best I had heard. It was presented by a relative, who was not an elder (although he had been an elder at one time). The family chose him because they felt he knew the sister the best. Although there was the regular "witnessing" part of the talk, it only occupied about 10% of the total. The rest was all about the sister's life and how we are all looking forward to seeing her again. Both prayers were again, very personal. Afterwards we were put into "breakout" rooms, to meet and talk with the family, and with each other. It was really nice,  and I too felt the love and genuine friendship and brotherly connection.
    The whole thing lasted much longer than normal, nobody seemed to want to leave. We were expecting to be on for an hour, but we stayed on for well over 2.
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    Anna reacted to Pudgy in SpaceX and Falling Debris   
    My best guess is that Cesar really hates Jehovah's Witnesses, individually ... all of them, and is crude, rude, insulting and vulgar without letup to demonstrate to non-Witnesses that if they are considering the Jehovah's Witnesses religion, they will become like him .... thereby horrifying them, and scaring them away.
    I would also guess that this is caused by raging, massive and persistent neurotic insecurity, and is over-compensation due to unawareness.
    I don't expect perfection, or even competent general awareness from Humans, so it is not much more than a passing thought, of casual interest.
    Dogs can sense such things pretty accurately.
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    Anna got a reaction from Pudgy in SpaceX and Falling Debris   
    Like I said, he's nothing but a troll...
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    Anna reacted to JW Insider in SpaceX and Falling Debris   
    @César Chávez You appear to have some special reason or need to respond to others with vulgarity. You've done this to several people in the past, too. If "Pudgy" had been vulgar first, perhaps I missed it. Still, considering your claims to moral superiority over everyone, it seems a bit unseemly.
    This wasn't a topic under any religious heading or club, so I won't spell out Ephesians 5:3-4.
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    Anna reacted to Pudgy in Now this is strange one. Who really is to blame here ? What could the Elders have done ?   
    I do understand the word MAY.
    It's not just the 5th month in the Calendar.
    Unless you are a vegetable or mineral, we are BOTH animals.
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    Anna reacted to Pudgy in Now this is strange one. Who really is to blame here ? What could the Elders have done ?   
    Since the entire conversation, including mine, (but not yours CC) is about pronunciation of generally arcane words, I wonder how a TREE would pronounce "bark"?
    ..... probably too occupied considering square roots.
     
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    Anna reacted to Pudgy in Now this is strange one. Who really is to blame here ? What could the Elders have done ?   
    In the Canine Language, ╕°╗ö means "bark".
    ....it's spelled just like it sounds.
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    Anna reacted to Pudgy in Now this is strange one. Who really is to blame here ? What could the Elders have done ?   
    I am confused.
    PWfT says:
    How will you know?
    Will they have an endorsement on their Driver's Licenses?
    Will they have a star on the end of a stick they can wave around, and with a "Bippity Bobbety Boo!" make some sort of magic happen?
    Will they be driven around in a limousine, with bodyguards in dark sunglasses?
    Try to visualize BEING a Thermos bottle, that can keep things hot .... or keep things cold.
    How do you know?
    PWfT .... for your convenience I have made a list of TEN things that will identify a TA.
    .... all you have to do is fill in the blanks.
    1.) ______________________________________________________________________________
    2.) ______________________________________________________________________________
    3.) ______________________________________________________________________________
    4.) ______________________________________________________________________________
    5.) ______________________________________________________________________________
    6.) ______________________________________________________________________________
    7.) ______________________________________________________________________________
    8.) ______________________________________________________________________________
    9.) ______________________________________________________________________________
    10.) _____________________________________________________________________________
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    Anna reacted to TrueTomHarley in Now this is strange one. Who really is to blame here ? What could the Elders have done ?   
    For similar reasons, I swore off badminton 
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    Anna reacted to Pudgy in Now this is strange one. Who really is to blame here ? What could the Elders have done ?   
    Since I have VERY limited vocalization abilities, and can only type with my thumbs, which are half-way up my front legs ( go figure! ), and realizing that NOBODY alive knows how to REALLY pronounce the name of the one and only Almighty God, what works for me is to use the address "Almighty and only True God, Jehovah", and figure as much as Jehovah put up with humans in the past, perhaps even today it is intent, over formality, that counts.
    It's like when my Guardian talks to me ... " Pudgy! blah blah Blah blah blah Pudgy blah blah blah blah BLAH blah blah Pudgy".
    I think there should be a rule, that if you pick at the nits, you have to eat them.
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    Anna reacted to Pudgy in Now this is strange one. Who really is to blame here ? What could the Elders have done ?   
    “Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true.”   -    Homer Simpson
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    Anna reacted to TrueTomHarley in Now this is strange one. Who really is to blame here ? What could the Elders have done ?   
    Preparing to conduct a Bible study later. So much is packed into these videos to show death is not a launching pad into heaven or hell. I like this one about Lazarus raised after 4 days. Wouldn’t he have been annoyed to be hauled out of heaven? (or cool his tush in a bucket of water had he gone to the other place.)
    https://www.jw.org/finder?srcid=jwlshare&wtlocale=E&lank=docid-502017858_1_VIDEO
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    Anna reacted to TrueTomHarley in Now this is strange one. Who really is to blame here ? What could the Elders have done ?   
    Oh, come now! It is not possible for anyone to be so obtuse! You are putting me on! 
    Look, Witness, and KickedFace, and Matthew4 5784, and Shwiiiiiiiiii and Sreckohehehe ))))), and several others all want what you want—the destruction of the JW organization. They all are using the CSA issue to that end. But they are all smart enough not to provide proof positive of it. None of them are so stupid as to say:
    “I am only interested in the CSA within the W/t, CCJW, JW Org, and their other orgs / titles.  The reason being that the GB et al keep spouting that 'God and Christ trust them' and that JWs have the ONLY true religion / way of serving God.”
    Is it any wonder that, in my moments of weakness, I yield to that weakness and call you a dodo. This is my greatest persecution—right here. 
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    Anna reacted to Pudgy in Now this is strange one. Who really is to blame here ? What could the Elders have done ?   
    "Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true." -- Homer Simpson
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    Anna reacted to TrueTomHarley in Now this is strange one. Who really is to blame here ? What could the Elders have done ?   
    In all probability, the reporter saw a Watchtower in the trash, and that was enough for them to be “devout Jehovah’s Witnesses.”
    Within the last few weeks, 4Jah (who for some inane reason, has changed his name—perhaps because “jah” now offends him) has posted a lawyer’s trolling for clients as though it was cutting edge reporting. And Witness heralded some rumor about Watchtower and the ARC and almost immediately had to take it back as it proved false.
    No one has time to unravel them all, but this will prove to be something similar. Or it may be just as you said, an end case of dementia or a mate who could no longer see the other suffer. As to somehow it becoming the fault of elders, we routinely hear of atrocities committed today and it turns out that the persons had been reported previously to police. But they receive so many of these reports, from so many persons, that they can’t possibly keep up, and such reports fall through the cracks. There is at most a quick visit by a social worker to pronounce counsel was given & all is now okay, and then a mass shoot-em-up occurs. 
    Charles Manson’s greatest contribution to society—some would say his only contribution, was to say: “It used to be that being crazy meant something. Nowadays, everyone is crazy.”
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    Anna reacted to Pudgy in Now this is strange one. Who really is to blame here ? What could the Elders have done ?   
    Everyone knows that Baptists and Catholics have an extremely "flexible" religion as to badness .... what with all the in which witch burnings, inquisitions and what-not .... and that the JWs give lip service to being above all of that.
    When dog bites man ... it's not big news.
    When man bites dog .... it is !
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    Anna reacted to Arauna in Now this is strange one. Who really is to blame here ? What could the Elders have done ?   
    I visited an old age home as a reporter many years ago in Africa.  The Afrikaner whites are an extremely religious people.
    They showed me a sweet looking elderly couple in their 80s.  The old lady became hyperactive due to 'adrenal issues' and was on the go (hyperactive) in excess.  The old man was a very relaxed quiet type of guy.... not easily roused.
    Once day a nurse came into the room and the old man was strangling the old lady.  They had to put them in separate rooms from then on and watch them. 
    Yes, living confined with dementia or other health issues can bring out the worst in anyone / or in each other. The JW elder may not have taken the old man seriously enough to report him to a psychiatrist or to the police.  What else could he do? Remove the old man from his own home? 
    These are issues which are hard to deal with in the elderly..... and not all end up in real murder.....The man is still head of his own household and it is a tragedy the situation was out of control.  Some old people also get a controlling streak which aggravates with age.  Having served god for many years I will leave it in the hands of Jehovah to judge the situation. Maybe the old man could not watch her suffering any longer ?  His frustration with her was too much? 
    I do not have a 'blanket' respect  for all judges after seeing the level of lawless judgments in USA, UK, Canada, Australia and NZ. It is like the period before the Israelites were exiled from Jerusalem....  Judges were more corrupt than the people to  benefit themselves.  I see a similar pattern today.  So do not take this judge's censure too seriously. There are good judges and useless ones.  This one just wanted to get back at JWs.  He is not a thoughtful person.
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    Anna reacted to Pudgy in Now this is strange one. Who really is to blame here ? What could the Elders have done ?   
    Thank you Cesar, for these quoted scriptures. The points you make are VERY valid, and the quoted scriptures specifically backs them  up.
    It sure conflicts with the natural tendency of humans to go on "witch hunts"
    I am sure one day my Guardian would like to actually become the man I think he is.
    It is the natural tendency for all dogs to forgive all humans.
    Perhaps that is why, it is generally said, that
    "All dogs go to Heaven".
     
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    Anna reacted to Pudgy in Now this is strange one. Who really is to blame here ? What could the Elders have done ?   
    Why?
    They know where the bodies are buried?
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