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On 7/16/2018 at 9:36 PM, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:
May the Farce be with you, Luke .....
Check this out, JTR. You'll love it.
Seriously
No tricks
http://www.tomsheepandgoats.com/2018/07/showdown-at-the-summit.html
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4 minutes ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:
except your predilection proven consistent over several years to fantasize about things that MIGHT be .... as if they really ARE.
Actually, I think I fantasized pretty well with regard to my revised introduction.
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3 minutes ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:
How many letters did YOU send to Russia?
2 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:Look, I knew you wouldn't get off your rear end. I sent in enough to make up for you.
- Tanya and James Thomas Rook Jr.
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4 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:
Whatever is the case, they STILL got the 56 million dollars from the Brotherhood.
You forget that the letter-writing campaign made possible the introduction of this year's best-selling book, Dr. Mr Putin.... (assuming more people download it):
In early 2017, Jehovah’s Witnesses were invited just once to write Vladimir Putin. Within two months, up to 49 million letters had been sent. They weren’t all to Putin – other officials were identified – but his was the most visible name. Trouble was not averted, yet Russia came to know of one nation on earth where every citizen cares deeply about every other.On the surface, the letter-writing campaign was a failure. Opposition which would ultimately lead to a Supreme Court ban of the religious organization continued unabated. It has only intensified since. Two and only two groups of children have been recognized by authorities as at risk of “destructive psychological influence” - children of ISIS members and children of Jehovah’s Witnesses. At present, the stripping of parental rights for members of the two groups is an unused tool, but it is a tool that has been approved for use.
Witnesses around the world felt and feel the heat on their Russian brothers and sisters as though it were on them. They longed to do something and here was something tangible they could do. By taking part in letter-writing, they fortified their Russian counterparts, who are now in the eye of the storm.However, I have thought over matters. I can see that you have a point. I have revised the introduction as follows:In early 2017, Jehovah's Witnesses were invited just once to write Vladimir Putin. They said: "You've got to be kidding me! That costs a dollar. And why? Just to fill up 11 hundred boxcars of paper that Russians can burn during winter? Let them freeze!This is all your screwup anyway! The world would love Christians except for you! And don't get us going about shunning and the two witness rule! You have messesd up everything and it is supposed to be that the "every sort of wicked thing that people lyingly say about Jesus' followers is: "Well....they woke me up when I was sleeping. And they were a little pushy at the door." So forget it! We're not doing nothing!Russian brothers entered into their greatest tribulation ever. They didn't really know if anyone anywhere else even knew what was going on. The brothers they thought they would hear from had all tuned into JTR. "This can't be the truth," they said. "Where's the love?"#ublockhead
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20 minutes ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:
11 railroad boxcar loads of mail that was sitting on sidings somewhere around Moscow, with thanks to this effort probably provided a LOT of "fuel at the proper time" last winter, for their wood burning furnaces. Perhaps they recycled the paper to use in publishing their major newspaper "Pravda".
Oh for crying out loud! Will you give it a rest?
It is a single question we are speaking of, not made in a confrontational way. Not a long harrangue. A tiny footnote in in 90 minutes of discussion.
Look, he has to like Witnesses on account of his son-in-law's dealings with them. It could have happened. It was behind closed doors. Maybe he did.
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Today Presidents Trump and Putin meet for summit, and the New York Times tells of an exiled Jehovah's Witness who proposes Trump ask Putin a simple question: "Why are Russians who pay their taxes, follow the law and embrace the Christian values promoted by the Kremlin being forced to flee their country?"
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/16/world/europe/putin-trump-russia-jehovahs-witness.html
A simple [and single] question. To propose that Trump do this is exactly the non-confrontational style of Jehovah's Witnesses, and is proof in itself that they are not extremist. Moreover, because the goal is so modest, it is not impossible that it could happen. Persecution of Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia is not everywhere, but where it is, it is draconian, with police dressed in riot gear breaking down doors to arrest them.
Meanwhile (and irrelevant), I did a google search of "New York Times Jehovah's Witnesses." The second hit is an article from 1958, telling of (I think) the largest Christian assembly in history.
Remember, Google is personalized. Your results may vary.
http://www.tomsheepandgoats.com/2018/07/ill-take-it-fake-news-or-not.html
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On 7/14/2018 at 9:19 PM, AllenSmith34 said:
This is one of the reasons I appreciate the Watchtowers understanding of Jesus and Michael.
Looking good.
"How many times is my brother to sin and I am to forgive him? Up to 33 times?
Nay, I say unto you, 'Up to 34 times, and beyond, as the need arises."
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Prepare for a tweet about Groucho
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The trick will be, through social media and the like, to make this the beating known around the world. It won't be easy, because atrocities are a dime a dozen today. Countermanding this is the fact that everyone knows Jehovah's Witnesses have done nothing deserving of this. There will be none of: 'Well, he must have done something wrong.' Everyone knows he did not. You can be sure that those doing these things would like to do it in secret. Do not let them.
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1 hour ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:
Remembering back on that episode, It makes perfect sense to me why the Russians have banned the WTB&TS from Russia, for "extremism."
Does it really? For that?
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When my aunt died, the entire Catholoc family converged on my uncle's house after the funeral, where they ate, laughed, visited and caught up on family. Meanwhile, he lay inconsolable on the couch, and was left alone. I recall thinking what a horrible spectacle it was. But now I think it is one of those things which must be. The best way to help anyone cope with such a blow is for family to gather around. He sees that normal life continues, and in time, it may be a long time, he joins in.
And no, I did not witness to him. I would have had to have done so before everyone, none of whom were Witnesses, and I did not have the comfort level and freeness of speech that I have today.
Today I would have done it, even if it was before all. It might even have been better that way.
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DR. TOM "HAMMER" URABI ANSWERS YOUR BIBLE QUESTIONS!
Dear Dr. Urabii: Why is there both Lord and LORD in Psalm 110:1? Is there something underhanded going on, like trying to hide God's name?
Answer: Nothing to see here, people. Move along, now.
#jehovah #jehovahswitnesses #yhwh #divinename
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You have been listening to Dr.Tom "Hammer" Urabi. He hammers home the answer so that you will KNOW and can IMPRESS YOUR FRIENDS!
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1 hour ago, TrueTomHarley said:
It was Jack LORD, who later went on to star in Hawaii 5-0. He wanted to advance his career.
I played with this one for a while:
DR. TOM "HAMMER" URABI ANSWERS YOUR BIBLE QUESTIONS!
Dear Dr. Urabii: Who was it that first removed God's name from the Bible. Why?
Answer: It was Jack LORD, who went on to star in the original Hawaii 5-0
For career advancement. Duh.
#jehovah #jehovahswitnesses #yhwh #divinename
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You've been listening to Dr.Tom "Hammer" Urabi. He hammers home the answer so that YOU will KNOW and can IMPRESS YOUR FRIENDS!
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16 hours ago, Jesus.defender said:
not one JW has EVER been able to PROVE who removed it and when
It was Jack LORD, who later went on to star in Hawaii 5-0. He wanted to advance his career.
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With regard to the April 25th story, ‘Silent Witnesses,’ about Jehovah’s Witnesses and child sexual abuse: Some significant facts are omitted, and some background facts that are included are misrepresented, leading to condemnation of a religion that otherwise has a reputation for fine works and conduct.
“Overall, they’re nice, sincere people” says vehement critic Barbara Anderson, referring to the “rank and file.” The video of Jared Kushner, from before campaign days, speaking of the Witnesses from whom he would buy their Brooklyn buildings is almost unheard of in its praise—Witnesses are persons of “high integrity” with whom “a handshake deal means something,” he says. How can this be if the leadership is as vile as the reporter represents them? Plainly, something is missing.
No topic is more incendiary than child sexual abuse. In no other area is a person’s viewpoint so determined by experience. Few evils are more widespread. The organization InvisibleChildren.org reports that, in the United States, 1 in 4 girls and 1 in 6 boys will be sexually abused before they turn 18 years old—despite years of emphasis on punishing perpetrators.
Jehovah’s Witnesses’ relationship to the pandemic can be viewed through a different lens than the Inquirer views it. The Watchtower organization was proactive at a time when few others were, investigating reports of this and other forms of wrongdoing within their ranks, and it is through this policy of vigilance that they come to be identified with this moral crime. In fact, any group professing that their beliefs contribute to better conduct should take measures to see that that is in fact the case. The Book of Romans says “You, the one preaching, “Do not steal,” do you steal? You, the one saying, “Do not commit adultery,” do you commit adultery?’ Few, if any, other than Jehovah’s Witnesses followed through on this obviously necessary self-examination.
Lucy Delap, writing for History and Policy, states that “clear guidelines for best [child protective] practice were not established until the 1990s,” during or even after most of the JW abuse cases under review. Thus, the Witness organization walked in largely uncharted territory, for the purpose of identifying this most pernicious group so as to apply discipline, often expulsion, to safeguard other congregation members, and to ensure that pedophiles could not slip unnoticed from one congregation into another (as they could anywhere else). To some extent, condemnation of the Watchtower for this proactive policy is a prime example of the cynicism: “No good deed goes unpunished.”
The fourteen persons that Mr. Gambacorta interviewed appear to be from a Reddit forum “devoted exclusively to ex-Witnesses,” who “discuss the absurdity of their experiences.” I have no reason to challenge the experiences the fourteen relate, and whether their perspective on what they report is the final word, I am in no position to say. However, it is inexcusable for the Inquirer article to link to an ex-Witness forum of 20,000 members, and not also to a Watchtower downloadable child-protection policy packet plainly showing that most its insinuations are untrue:
To be fair, this latest update is released at about the same time as the article, but no mention is made of it by the reporter in subsequent material. Instead, he returns to the Reddit forum where he promises participants further incendiary reports.
I am a 45-year member of Jehovah’s Witnesses. I have authored three books about the faith, in digital format. The latest, ‘Dear Mr. Putin – Jehovah’s Witnesses Write Russia,’ is freely available, as it is primarily about the religious organization’s ban in Russia, which brings hardship to persons dear to me. Part 2 of the book considers the many accusations made against Witnesses, and chapter 12 of that section is entitled ‘Pedophiles.’ It is a 9,000+ word examination of that topic that includes the ARC investigation.
https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/815620
Case Study 54 of the ARC mentions reports of abuse from the JW community within the period extending from the ARC’s initial investigation to its final report. It is possible to work out ratios, compare them to the non-Witness community, and conclude that the Witness organization’s vigilance has paid off, perhaps by as much as a factor of six. It is fine to handle a case of child sexual abuse properly. But it is far finer if the abuse does not happen in the first place. It is similar to calling in the grief counselors in the wake of a school shooting. Of course, it is a good thing to call them in, but how much better to not need them at all. A case of child sexual abuse ‘properly handled’ does not mean that it did not occur, and the child is only somewhat less damaged than if the case was properly handled. Thus, a story on this topic should never omit the overall relative success of the Witness organization in prevention of this evil.
Stories of Jehovah’s Witnesses and child sexual abuse are certainly not nothing, and it is easy to see why a journalist might go there. However, by being so selective in what he reports, the Inquirer maligns a faith whose overall record of producing fine people of integrity has already been mentioned, by a harsh critic, no less. You owe it to your readers to publish this letter, as prominently as you published the article trashing the Witnesses. I have no doubt that the reporter behind ‘Silent Witness,’ is overall a fine journalist. In this instance, however, he has proven far too biased in the anti-Witness material he relies upon and relates without any counterbalance.
Respectfully,
Tom Harley
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7 hours ago, alvi languore insanabili said:
If this major newspaper is NPR? that's a verifiable propaganda newspaper that has a grudge against the Watchtower. That newspaper has been reported as altering facts. So, be careful about what you wish for. ?
No, it is another newspaper with a grudge against the Watchtower, having run three anti-Witness articles in the span of a few weeks. Easily searchable.
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8 minutes ago, Anna said:
I have read a few "life stories" of ex witnesses who say that as children they were traumatized by images of Armageddon in the earlier publications. The scene with the little boy in the video perhaps illustrates that very instance.
Yes, it reminds me of the Newsweek cover a few years back emblazoning the headlines of recent disasters on all fronts, then concluding (on the cover) with a nice reassuring message for the children , because it didn't want to frighten them: "What the !@!* is next?" it read.
http://www.tomsheepandgoats.com/2011/04/what-the-is-next.html
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6 hours ago, alvi languore insanabili said:
While they can scrutinize the Watchtower, they will not be able to prove malice. We are in an age of religion being challenged by the far left that has embodied itself to atheism rather than a religious order. But why would it surprise anyone within the Watchtower organization, if these events are foretold?
You are right, and it does not. I will admit, however being surprised as the suddenness of the onslaught. This makes the third of three entirely separate reasons to viciously attack Jehovah's Witnesses, in Russia even banning them.
It appears to be like Jesus said abut the theif not announcing his presence beforehand and so the householder must keep on the watch. To the extent ones have done that, they are probably glad of it. It appears to be getting near to crunch time.
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A major American newspaper has published material meant to be damning to Jehovah’s Witnesses, which refers to a group of elders at a 2017 meeting, where they were supposedly advised to destroy handwritten notes of meetings and notes of internal documents due to the potential legal harm such pose. Presumably (though it is not explicitly made clear) these are notes relevant to child sexual abuse investigations.
The reason? A Witness representative reportedly states: “Well, we know that the scene of this world is changing, and we know Satan’s coming after us, and he’s going to go for us legally. We can see by the way things are shaping up.” It is not hard to imagine what certain ones are doing with the explanation that “Satan’s coming after us.”
The reason the Witnesses have whatever child abuse records they do is that they sought to investigate this evil in their midst at a time that others did not. Should they destroy anything, it merely puts them on par with everyone else, who never left a ‘paper trail’ in the first place because they never were proactive. Seen in this light, it does indeed seem that Satan is ‘coming after them.’ It is the quintessential example of the cynical phrase: ‘No good deed goes unpunished.’
On the other side of the world, the Jehovah’s Witness organization during the same year was banned in Russia. Government and media have partnered to whip the public into a froth, hurling many virulent accusations about the faith. Yet, child sexual abuse allegations have played no part whatsoever. Chivchalov states that nobody has heard of it there. Only after the ban did the Russian Embassy, in response to one of my tweets, respond with a Western headline of pedophile charges.
In other words, they found a completely separate reason to ban Jehovah’s Witnesses.
Keep in mind that we are speaking of the faith whose members are universally recognized as ‘pacifist’ – who will on no account resort to violence or support war efforts. It is highly unusual for a large group of people to have absolutely no blood on their hands in this regard, but they do not. Is it so crazy for the Witness spokesman to say: ‘Satan is coming after us?” Given the foregoing, it would almost be crazy for him not to.
Among the most heated charges in Russia are those of Jehovah’s Witnesses refusing blood transfusions, stemming from their interpretation of scripture. It is an issue that has largely been put to bed in the West because of the success of bloodless medicine and the growing recognition that transfusion therapy poses many risks. Still, it does happen from time to time that such refusal costs a Witness his or her life. Russian media rages over this, labeling leaders of the religion murderers.
Surely, somewhere along the line it should be acknowledged that Jehovah’s Witnesses have absolutely no deaths at all attributed to illicit drug abuse, overdrinking, and tobacco use, save only for when someone is slipping into old habits. Witnesses could multiply transfusion deaths 1000-fold and still not not come close to the mortality record of the overall world. Far and away, they are the ‘safest’ religion out there. Yet they are said to be the murderers.
And we are to laugh when they say: ‘Satan is coming after us?’ One thing we know about opposers: they will always overplay their hand, giving honest-hearted persons a heads-up. How can it not be getting near to crunch time?
It is in the free ebook (soon to be in print), ‘Dear Mr. Putin – Jehovah’s Witnesses Write Russia,’ with chapter 12 devoted to pedophile accusations. I had no idea when I wrote it that the book would so quickly become so relevant.
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On 7/2/2018 at 11:15 PM, Jack Ryan said:
It is the fourth year that Jehovah's Witnesses annual gathering is held at the Stockholm Fair, which is part of the City of Stockholm. This year, the key message is to show courage.
I wonder why they would choose that theme?
On 7/2/2018 at 11:15 PM, Jack Ryan said:-They do not realize how dangerous this is for children. Two years ago, films were shown with families and children hiding in a basement. In the final scene, soldiers storm up with automatic weapons, she says.
Yeah, like how police have shown up in Russia, typically in full riot gear, to arrest members of the faith.
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Just now, AllenSmith33 said:
Okay, now Allen, behave yourself. Seriously.
It is excellent stuff that you contribute. Don't mess it up.
You have made what appears to others as personal attacks and have been tossed on your ear several times. Have others engaged in attacks and not been tossed? I many times have been called a liar with no repurcussions at all. It doesn't matter. It is what it is.
Nobody will ever say that you do not get worked up. You cannot afford the luxury. Please, never post a comment immediately. Take time to think it over and cool off if you are heated. The most brilliant comments that you, I, or anyone else, make are quickly buried. There is no need to be hasty. Take your time.
Remember it is a public forum that you are on and people can (and do) say whatever they want. You cannot stop that. You have to work around it somehow when they post what seems malignant. If you hurl something ultra-harsh that gets you tossed, you have indulged your own fury, but fallen short of reaching your full power.
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35 minutes ago, Jesus.defender said:
Oh, i am pretty sure there is ANOTHER reason they would want to destroy their records.
It is hard to comment on their policies or records, much less compare them with the records of anyone else, since others hid their heads in the sand and kept none.
It is in Chapter 12, 'Pedophiles' of the free ebook Dear Mr. Putin - Jehovahs' Witnesses Write Russia, which I trust the Librarian will let me link to, since it is not like that time long ago when he took issue because he (correctly) thought I was hawking my first book which was not free.
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The reason they have whatever records they do, if it is child abuse records being referred to, is that they investigated a great wrong in their midst when others did not in theirs.
Should they destroy anything, it puts them on par with everyone else, who never thought to attempt to root out the evil. Seen in this light, it does indeed seem to be "Satan coming after them.'
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I did not think I would live to see a reason that I might thank @Jack Ryan for a post. Every day God tells me how little I know. I take back one or two of the mean things I have said about him.
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Mickey Spillane's wife survives him and through social media, I sometimes have contact. She is an ardent Trump supporter. She loved the post.