TrueTomHarley

I cut you considerable slack when you spoke of weird things in your past. Especially did Thinking do so. And that was before you dropped this game changer: 

4 hours ago, Matthew9969 said:

My childhood consisted of broken bones, lots of blood loss, hospitalizations, etc, if jw's enjoy having a little laugh about extreme child abuse

Hgp just addressed the plain facts of your statements, without knowledge or reference to your history. You have no reason to complain of your treatment here. Nobody has laughed at you on this thread.

Dimitar has beaten you up, probably, but he beats up everybody and no one can figure out where he is coming from.

16 minutes ago, Space Merchant said:

On 3/15/2022 at 3:02 AM, Pudgy said:

Number two: Clark Kent was not pretending to be Superman……… Superman was pretending to be Clark Kent.

It's actually both says if you know a bit more from the Superman Mythos. There is legitimately another Clark Kent who does take over when a Superman of a specific earth does die, hence why it can either be said the other way around.

Finally the cartoon-loving pork chop meets his match.

1 hour ago, hgp said:

[of 7th day Adventist roots] your deflecting the conversation into other subjects.

Nor is what he says true.

1 hour ago, Pudgy said:

things that have a practical application take precedence.

I prefer to think about the convection currents between the windwalls of the latitude bands of the atmosphere of Jupiter.….. silly me!

It’s sort of like when Noah, not seeing the point of God’s direction, asked for a hint.

”How long can you tread water?” was the reply.

16 hours ago, Matthew9969 said:

Can you please provide proof that religious charities are attacking jw refugees at the borders.

No no no, you’ve got it all wrong. I did not say charities are attacking Jw. I said you were. It is the first thing you did on this thread started by another person: find fault with Witnesses focusing on their own rather than aiding indiscriminately. I did not criticize other aid-workers. I praised them, as did Thinking. But you criticized our efforts.

16 hours ago, Matthew9969 said:

He made a very strong statement that if there was a natural disaster and if he saw his neighbors house damaged and heard his neighbor screaming for help, he had to ignore the neighbor and do what ever he could to reach an elder and head straight to the kingdom hall. I had a problem with this reasoning and so he told me I would have to agree to this too if I was interested in progressing any further.

Well, maybe this accounts for it. If you come in contact with nuts given to strong statements—well, it really is so that people reap what they sow. But even so, I suspect you are being selective. Unbalanced people are everywhere and a mature person learns to screen them out. (Granted, they don’t make that easy.) In T.I & Me I related how Bro Bob said something truly outrageous, that brothers determined to stand at the convention had jumped and beaten up the attendant carrying the ‘Please Be Seated’ sign—that this evil report got around and stirred up turmoil throughout the circuit, even district, but eventually truth got its pants on and people learned the source. Upon which they said, “Oh….well…..you know Bob. He says things like that.” I made the incident up, it didn’t actually happen. However there was a Bob, he would say things equally nutty, and (most) people would just cut him slack, focusing instead on his good qualities, which he had in abundance. 

16 hours ago, Matthew9969 said:

But this I  do know, I was attacked all my young life by devout jw parents

I have no doubt you’re sincere in relating this, nor would I ever say that a person’s own experience is not theirs, but it may also be that your memory is selective. It is not especially uncommon for parents to provide training and have goals for their offspring, nor is it uncommon for teens to feel “attacked” if they do not accede to those goals. I’ll concede that Witness goals include some not of the mainstream, so the “attack” of someone kicking against the goads of parental upbringing may seem greater.

16 hours ago, Matthew9969 said:

and lately listened to one of your gb said he and all jw's can't wait til Jehovah kills all apostates, snuffs them out like a match.

Well, it’s not as though the Bible itself waxes in appreciation for those who oppose and seek to undermine worship. (Ps 3:7—‘Arise, LORD! Deliver me, my God! Strike all my enemies on the jaw; break the teeth of the wicked,” says David.) I know the snippet you speak of.  I know what he said. I know that he meant it. I recall he lit a match, then blew it out without further comment, and that reinforced what he had already said about the likely success of apostates opposing the Christian cause.  And I also know that it is one of the 10,000 things he has said. Everything must be put in context.

46 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Nobody can figure out his malignancy. Nor can I, but I’m done trying.

It also takes about 2 minutes to figure out any new persona of his. What has he had—20 since I’ve been here? I’ll block them too. I’ve done my time with this fellow. No more. 

Better to sporadically respond to remarks of guys like Srecko. His opposition is unveiled, his dislike for Witnesses loyal to the earthly organization undisguised, and he makes a disagreeable sense, but at least it is sense. You can realistically hope to know where he is coming from.

1 hour ago, JW Insider said:

Clever.

It’s as if I using you. Sorry. 

But really, I would not know of his diatribes otherwise. I recommend the course to anyone concerned for their blood pressure. I mean, I’ve got stuff I want to do. Who needs the continual low-level aggravation? I don’t want this wasp stinging me all the time just for the sake of being—well, I have no idea what he is doing! Nobody can figure out his malignancy. Nor can I, but I’m done trying.

17 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

3 hours ago, Dmitar said:

Personally, I know Matthew, and Matthew's father Levi were, I just wanted to see if @JW Insider would step in to make a remark, he did, just like you. Predictable.

When I click on the Notifications icon (looks like a bell) there is a link at the bottom that says "Seel All Notifications." When I click on that link, I get the 520 notifications that I received for the last 30 days (since February 13).

Dimitar: Of course! ‘Nothing else about my conduct suggests I am a Witness. Let me deliberately give some false information to see if anyone will pounce on that to attack me!’

Notice how I replied to this remark of Dmitar’s through JWI? Wanna know why? The screenshot at bottom tells it all.

Ah….now life is so peaceful. I mean really. 520 notifications within a month?! Plainly the guy is mentally ill. That’s not so bad in itself. I have suspected that of others here. But combined with his attack-dog malignant paranoid remarks that so often make no sense whatsoever,  it is simply too much. But now I am freeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!

1 hour ago, JW Insider said:

It's easy to misread this and come to the conclusion that Paul was a tax collector. But it is really referring to the fact that Saul/Paul had been a member of the Pharisees.

It does make you wonder whether outrageous Dimitar is really a Witness, though. I have never known any JW to think that Paul was a tax collector.

A result of absent mindedness maybe. But a misread of the NWT glossary—no. Not if he is really a Witness who goes back as far as he claims to. Everyone knows who the tax collector was.

2 hours ago, Pudgy said:

and TTH, I did not say it was a complete waste of time.  Not completely, anyway….

In all the years this entire motley  crew have assembled here, I venture NOT ONE has changed his mind about anything said here.

Besides, unless I am very mistaken (which is possible—there’s only so much you can discern online) you have broken that pattern by softening somewhat. Otherwise, I agree with you that no one has budged one iota.

That makes you the least calcified of all here!

you ‘ol pork chop

2 hours ago, Pudgy said:

….. and TTH, I did not say it was a complete waste of time.  Not completely, anyway.

Not to worry. You’re good here—I mean, relatively.

12 minutes ago, hgp said:

On reflection

Nor would any Witness ever attack Matthew’s people, those meeting refugees at the border with aid. We don’t attack his people, yet he attacks ours!

On the American news network last night was a man, he looked middle Eastern, (American news is always very careful to point out people’s ethnicity) who at his own expense was distributing hot drinks and food to refugees from his own food truck. We would never criticize such efforts. The man deserves nothing but praise. Yet Matthew is incensed that there should be Christians who allow themselves to be guided by the verse you pointed out, Galatians 6:10): "...let us work what is good toward all, but especially toward those related to us in the faith." That Bible verse seems to really bother him.

The most criticism Jehovah’s Witnesses will ever make of the effort Matthew rightly holds in high esteem is that they are, at best, stopgap efforts. Adopting the Jehovah’s Witness view of life will stop wartime suffering. Adopting his view of life will not.

The refugee system is overwhelmed. Somewhere I read that Brits are being asked to take refugees into their homes. How can anyone not admire the generosity of those who actually do? Nothing but praise for them here. Yet—it is easier said than done. Taking people from the general population into your home, you don’t know what you will get. Will it be a story of pure human altruism? Hopefully yes. But there will also be some who…

Alcoholism is rife today, as is drug usage. Have you ever had an alcoholic in your home? You’ll find you can quickly become an enabler. Your fine qualities will not rub off on him/her as much as his corrosive qualities will undermine your household. Suppose you find that your new guests do not live by Bible sexual morality. Will you have a problem with that under your roof? There is even the distinction between “each will carry his own load” while we “carry the burdens of one another.” Those trained by Bible principles know the difference. While grateful that their brother should share their burden, they work toward carrying their load as soon as possible. Many non-Witnesses will do this too, yet it cannot be assumed, just as the alcohol, drugs, and morality issues cannot.

There really is value in having “left the harmful way.” Jehovah’s people, with minor allowance for human imperfection, have done that and endeavor do continue doing that. They get the sense of Jesus words that the world has been judged for its opposition to God as is slated for destruction by God’s approaching kingdom. The vast majority of religion, however, does not get the sense of it. Their goal (is it that of Matthew’s church?) is to save the world, to fix it. Jesus’ position is “to come out of it.” Only from that advantageous position can one effectively lend a helping hand. For this reason Jehovah’s people will help the general populace as the occasion arises, but they rightly focus on following Paul’s counsel to above all help their own brothers.

Even during times of war, even when physical help is appropriate, the best help you can offer people is the teaching of God’s promises is in Bible (which silly people call “recruiting”) Thereby you find that by teaching the best way of life you have “taught persons how to fish,” as well as conveyed what works best for resiliency during dangerous time. Nothing but praise here for rendering help to people indiscriminately. But surely to condemn Galatians 6:1 is taking matters too far.

8 minutes ago, hgp said:

On reflection you are right. That was my frustration speaking

Believe me, I’ve been there.

Still am in many cases.  

Yes, I like this comment from hgp very much. It’s an entirely valid way of looking at things. Jehovah’s Witnesses are united. Churches (in almost all cases typified by trinitarian belief) are not. If they were, Russia’s “trinitarian” soldiers (the vast bulk of the Russian population holds to the ROC faith, though they’re not necessarily active) would simply not turn weapons upon their fellow Christians. 

Only this bit of hyperbole undermines the remark some:

1 hour ago, hgp said:

And they don't care that these groups are happily taking part in mass murder events called wars, where they destroy each other for the sake of their nations.

They’re usually not “happy” about it. But they do it nonetheless, and that makes the point even more powerful. The Witnesses’ love for God and fellow man, fortified by a united human organization, prevents them from picking up arms against their fellow man. Many there are in ‘Christendom’—perhaps even most, who are basically decent people, desirous of peace. But because they don’t have the same principles and unity of Jehovah’s Witnesses, the national ‘king’ finds them easy to maneuver to support whatever is the warlike project of the day.

46 minutes ago, Arauna said:

Then why stay? If you just read our drivel to make yourself feel superior, I can give you a few websites you can visit which will stimulate your superior intellect. 

Ha! Yeah, like another one who regularly complains of “no spirituality here” and yet shows up as reliably as the rising sun.

Shakespeare it ain’t but if it is a complete waste of time what does that say about the person who constantly attends to it?

6 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

14 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

As a Christian I will keep calm here.

The random ALL CAPs suggests otherwise.

Yeah.

6 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

14 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

Truther ? I think not. Denier more like. 

Don't even know the term. What makes this remark more laughable

I read an evolutionist book by Sean Carroll, partly to answer back the atheists who would say I never did. He complains again and again about “evolution denyers,” It was like the pebble in my shoe that over time drives me nuts. How come he can’t spell the word right? He’s been to college & grad school, even has a PhD. Is he doing it just for the sake of ridicule? But that would seem childish.

https://www.tomsheepandgoats.com/2011/08/sean-carroll-and-the-den-yers.html

10 minutes ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

“Short time remaining" , "Short time left" "The end of this system is so very near" 

Did you not say (about 2 years ago) that you expect the end within 5 years? Or was it 10? (I think it was 5, leaving you only 3 for wiggle room.

12 minutes ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

Direct quotes from that article. and that was written in 1974. 

Yeah, it’s called not knowing the immediate future.

But when Quinn the true Eskimo gets here everybody’s gonna want a dose.

53 minutes ago, Pudgy said:

I was inspired by an account in the news today that ElonMusk has challenged Vladimir Putin to single combat

It was a one sentence challenge, worth more that 3,000 pages of the drivel here. 

Well if that’s all it takes…..

You and me, you ol pork chop. Any time. Any place. I’ll pound the stuffing out of you!

(Gotta hand it to Musk. I like the guy. Strictly speaking, though, Putin should decline, match him up with an oligarch instead, and challenge President Joe.)

26 minutes ago, Witness said:

Have you read the parable of the wise and foolish virgins? Matt 25 The foolish virgins "buy" their oil for their lamps from  those who sell it.  The wise virgins join Christ.  Who "sells" regulated spiritual food in exchange for devotion to them, and to their organization?  Rev 13:11,12,15-17

Then tell your “anointed” to take their lamp-oil business elsewhere and watch the “economy” of the “Great Eight” collapse like Putin’s Russia. Sheesh! This is so stupid it’s hard to see how anyone could take it seriously! There’s only eight of them! And if you think they are all fraudsters just cut them out from your glorious company and do your magnificent deeds without them! See if you can make them cry over that. 

2 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

And it doesn't bother you a bit that your GB tells the Anointed NOT TO MEET TOGETHER, AS IT WOULD BE WORKING AGAINST THE HOLY SPIRIT. 

Well, why doesn’t Witness and the other aggrieved anointed, assuming they exist, meet in defiance and tell the eight GB members at Bethel to take a hike? It is because they don’t exist. The anointed in Jehovah’s organization have no problem complying with current understanding. Only those “anointed” outside Jehovah’s organization have a problem with it. Witness claims to be one of them. So why doesn’t she meet with her fellow off-brand “anointed” to her heart’s content? How are the eight in Bethel going to stop her? Why would they even want to?

2 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

You hypocrite 

You dodo

2 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

The same as it doesn't bother you a bit about all the CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE done by Elders, MS

The CSA charges have been dealt with many times, and you just repackage them and run them through again. It is rare for elders and ministerial servants to be perpetrators (whereas it is the pattern in certain churches). Holly Folk, an abuse victim, a non-Witness, and a scholar puts the hysteria in perspective:

https://www.tomsheepandgoats.com/2021/02/holly-folk-speaks-to-child-sexual-abuse-among-jehovahs-witnesses.html

Even allowing for dodoness there is no way you cannot know this, yet you continue to make the same incendiary charges. This makes you not only a dodo but also a liar.

3 hours ago, Witness said:

Tom, as I have said before, this crazy women would just as soon pull you and your family out of the org.

I rest my case. What’s it to you what my faith is? With all the truly vile characters out there today, why target the religion whose members under no circumstances will take life? Why not go after one, you could almost pick at random, in which if you put members in just the right circumstances, they will take life? The energy your pour into your crazy mission is bizarre.

3 hours ago, Witness said:

JWs have put their organization on a pedestal

to the same extent that a student puts his teacher on a pedestal, an athlete puts his coach on a pedestal, a soldier puts his general on a pedestal, a tourist puts his guide on a pedestal, a businessman puts his advisor on a pedestal. Such relationships are routine in life and are only depicted as “putting oneself under tyranny” when it is the religion you don’t like.

3 hours ago, Witness said:

God has never dismissed corruption when His people have abused and ignored His decrees

This statement only reflects your jealousy that the Witness organization does not recognize your self-proclaimed ‘anointed’ status and does not afford you the platform you assume is your due. You are a crazy woman—I don’t back up on that for a second. Even Patiently Waiting for the Truth, who is sure a “True Anointed” will come along to save the day, knows enough that it is not you.

I am livid that in your quest to undermine the Witness organization, you knowingly display a dishonest site stealing logo and artwork of someone much better, and you expose admin to risk in doing it. I accept that the risk to admin was done unknowingly. Still, I am grateful for the writing platform he has granted me. I get it that it’s not altruism nor is he especially religious. I get it that he takes advantage of the enormous traffic the JW stuff generates to boost his website’s stature and branch into other fields. I get it that he makes a modest sum off advertising. Doesn’t matter. These things have all worked to my advantage—it’s a symbiotic relationship we have, and so I am furious when someone is so reckless in their quest to destroy what’s noble as to potentially make him trouble.

Same as what Space Merchant points out about atheism. As your rage inadvertently puts Admin in a bad way, so it also puts God in a bad way. Plenty of taunts toward God and Christ in what SM points to. Doesn’t bother you a bit to embrace atheists sneering at God if it furthers your anti-Witness quest.

There’s some good stuff coming out of Space Merchant lately.

7 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

I don't think you'll get hit by the alphabet boys unless a victims of a spoof comes back here, and they won't go to you, they'll go to Admin.

So really, in her reckless hate-campaign to malign Jehovah’s people and organization she is exposing @adminto potential liability. Should this crazy woman even be here?

12 hours ago, Thinking said:

I honestly don’t think he is…no witness would talk as he has and does

I honestly think I’ll have to block him, my first block ever (despite some very disagreeable people on the forum). My spirit can no longer stand the wear and tear.

1 hour ago, Dmitar said:

Did you really need for someone else to point it out to you with something you should have known and applied yourself long ago? How much of scripture have you separated from your heart just to become a book author?

All of it, Dimitar. It’s all gone. Every verse of it I’ve separated. Not a syllable is left.

There. Happy?

Now please, shine your weird paranoid malignant presence that you would have us believe is Christianity whereas anyone can plainly see that you display by far the least Christlike personality of anyone here—please shine it on someone else.