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6 minutes ago, Thinking said:
There are divisions even amongst brothers and sisters now happening..fighting with each other..calling each other stupid and an idiot..not speaking to each other over THIS…..
This is why I am careful not to get into squabbles over it. I may post something that seems to me of substance, but if people disagree, I do not get into it.
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2 hours ago, Pudgy said:
What does that mean, in common sense English?
It’s not so much that your question triggered my upvote. What triggered my upvote is that @The Librarian loved it. She almost never weighs in—her voice has become as rare as the voice of God in the days of Samuel—but she weighs in now.
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4 hours ago, Space Merchant said:
let alone make a response to what I told @TrueTomHarley.
I get it that I am being tagged, and I appreciate the apparent vote of confidence. But I think it is pretty clear that with PSomH you are dealing with a dodo whose inability to talk or see sense, not just on JW things but on many things in general, can cause people to pull their hair out, as it is with you.
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37 minutes ago, Space Merchant said:
That being said, there is a chance of Covid-19 pills and more dosages on the horizon
Should that happen, you know they will not be cheap.
The doctor who wrote the White House with the medical regimen that quickly cured Trump from Covid thinks there will some day be the equivalent of Nuremberg trials for those who let hundreds of thousands die by discrediting and even withholding treatment of an eminently treatable disease.
One day it was announced he had Covid and everyone thought he was a goner. Within three days he was back to his traveling routine.
Several doctors testified passionately before Congress that it make available certain low-cost drugs that had proven hugely effective. “If you take this drug, [ivermecin—in combination with some others] you will not get sick,” said Dr. Pierre Kors. He knew this because he had made his staff take it as they treated hundreds of Covid patients and they had not gotten sick.
Despite testimony of these ones, the drugs have been discredited. Hydroxychloroquine was shot down long ago on the grounds of being unsafe, even though it had proven its safety over the course of decades. Ivermectin was also promptly shot down as some studies using wildly inappropriate dosages produced inconclusive results.
Why? One theory is that only if there is no way to treat Covid can there be an international emergency crash program for a new vaccine. Maybe profit reasons for pharma? Or something more conspiratorial? That’s where the conspiracy people come in—trying to explain it. But the fact that the disease is readily treatable has been testified by many practicing doctors. (Including my own)
It was also pointed out that none of the epidemiologists advising the president had ever actually treated a patient. This denigration of those who walk the walk in favor of those who talk the talk is something many Witnesses are familiar with.
None of this is to say that the vaccine is not good. That’s a whole different topic. But the emergency atmosphere to develop it, and now perhaps additional (expensive) cures was contrived and appears to be unnecessary
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53 minutes ago, xero said:
This is the most thorough collection of reasons I have yet seen—everything under one roof.
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On 4/16/2021 at 7:26 PM, Joan Kennedy said:
4Jah2me will not be getting a hug fro me nor be invited to my house (personal decision)
But if you exclude him that way you’ll miss out on his hysterical anti-JW tirades!
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1 hour ago, Space Merchant said:
This is why in most apostate media, especially the ones concerning JWs, you have those who are no longer of the faith attacking those spreading misinformation
It is true that all faiths have their apostates. An apostate of the Mormons, for example, is not what JWs would consider an apostate. What we do know is apostates were a preoccupation of the New Testament writers. Not one of them fails to mention them. Peter is especially concerned with them. Jude is exclusively devoted to them and deals with nothing else.
If it was true then, it should be true today. And nobody has apostates as voracious as Jehovah’s Witnesses. I am proud of them. They validate us. They do indeed make trouble, just as they did in the first century. On the other hand, what if the Witnesses had no apostates? Wouldn’t you have to wonder why?
As to the majority going the atheist route, that is just an impression hard to escape upon going to areas in which they hang out. The most visible ones on social media are undoubtably atheist, scornful of their former faith but also of God. It is in accord with the general trend of society that leans atheist. I don’t know if anyone has actually made a survey of it to find out the exact proportion.
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20 hours ago, Witness said:
The organization’s threat comes from those who were once among them,
This is exactly what happened with the early Christians. It was a point David S said in his talk, and I was surprised because I had said it in TTvtA & I had otherwise heard it nowhere else.
Within 35 years after Jesus death, Christians has the reputation of “haters of the human race.” (Tacitus—writing on the persecution of Nero’s time) How could that possibly be? One religious scholar (G.A. Wells) said it was due to their “informants,”—former members eager to put the faith in the worst possible light. These would have been persons such as John wrote of, those “chattering about us with wicked words”—ones such as yourself, jealous of being usurped and ready to say the most vile things about former brothers and sisters, characterizing the “presumptuous” Peter as being a racist for his one time avoiding the Gentiles, for instance, or a coward for 3 times denying his Lord. “He’s the one with the keys to the kingdom?” I can hear you jeering right now.
20 hours ago, Witness said:Many leave the organization and find their faith in the Father and the Son has blossomed.
The vast majority of modern-day apostates have gone the atheist route.
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48 minutes ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:
Promoting your books again. It seems that is all you are here for.
Now you’ve got it.
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5 hours ago, ApostaBabe Linda James said:
GB member, brother Splane has declared to the members, that we are at war [with them their apostates.]
This is the reason that I could not have chosen a better title or cover than I did for TrueTom vs the Apostates!
https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/917311
I wrote it for those friends who have come across something apostate that stumbled them and thereafter no one in the congregation was able to help them much because nobody knew just what they had come across. I wrote if for them. Nobody else is allowed to read it.
It is war—I’ll go with the analogy, but it is an unusual one. Usually in a war, the loyal participants under attack grab their guns and blast away. In this war, they are advised not to know what the enemy is up to. Not everyone can get their heads around it. For those who can’t, that’s why there is the book.
I can think of one exception, however, in which stopping up the ears was exactly the right course to take. This is when Odysseus was sailing past the island of the incredibly beautiful and seductive sirens who wanted to lure and destroy his ship upon the rocks of their island. Outsmarting them, Odysseus commanded that his men stuff their ears with beeswax so they couldn’t hear. However, he had himself bound to the mast, ears open, with strict instructions that no matter how much he pleaded, his men were to ignore him and row on.
As they sailed past the island, sure enough, beautiful and seductive apostababes approached. They intertwined themselves around him, driving him mad with their sweet song of the delicious petty freedoms that could be his if only he would tell Zeus to kiss off. Though it would have deadened him for sure, Odysseus pleaded with his men to unbind him so he could destroy himself. But they couldn’t hear him.
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1 hour ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:
Maybe ask @Pudgy what he thinks of guns ? I think he and 'Billy the Kid' might own a few.
The reason John Brown failed at Harper’s Ferry is that he raided Harper’s Ferry. There were more guns at Pudgy’s place.
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And if you truly want to advance an idea as scholarly, you do not quote Wikipedia as your source.
It’s like when I traveled to visit a friend and found him in college lab, working on repairing a centrifuge. He fretted ever so hard with his soldering gun, but it just wasn’t coming out. Finally, he looked at the sorry result and said, “Well—this might be okay for the toilet, but it doesn’t quite cut it for a centrifuge.”
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2 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:
All you do is criticize and judge me.
Come come. Add hypersensitivity to the list.
Jesus nailed through the hands or wrists? That’s your crisis of faith that causes you to patiently wait?
Who cares? If he was shot with a gun it wouldn’t change the meaning & results of his death, and that’s what you should focus on.
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2 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:
So, some of us need TRUTH to be simple.
It is. You needlessly complicate it by being overly exacting, excessively unforgiving, and too enamored with your own righteousness.
“NAILS OR NAIL, HANDS OR WRISTS, AND OTHER SUCH SCRIPTURES. HOW DO CHRISTIANS KNOW WHAT IS TRUE ?”
They can’t. They need a True Anointed to explain everything. In the meantime, it’s important not to do anything except complain.
Whatever happened to “Exert yourselves vigorously to get in through the narrow door?” (Luke 13:24) He didn’t say wait for the doorman to ease your way in.
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“What’s that you’re saying, Bowser? What? They’re beating up on Paul again?
Good job! Good boy! Okay, men, let’s grab a few centurions and go rescue him again!”
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8 hours ago, Pudgy said:
From Wikipedia:
" In popular culture
The parsec was apparently used incorrectly as a measurement of time by Han Solo in A New Hope, the first Star Wars film, when he claimed to have "made the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs". The claim was repeated in The Force Awakens, but was retconned in Solo: A Star Wars Story, by stating the Millennium Falcon traveled a shorter distance (as opposed to a quicker time) due to a more dangerous route through hyperspace.[22] It is also used ambiguously as a spatial unit in The Mandalorian.[23]"
It is even worse in “A Golfer’s Story.” The lead character, Jack Bogey, defines the term as when you par out a hole in a very short time.
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2 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:
I do not believe most things that you write, even though some on here try to link me with you...
What can I say? Give him another upvote. He’s improving.
Tom, is it an ‘enemy of my enemy is my friend’ kind of thing?
Well, I wouldn’t go that far.
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1 hour ago, Arauna said:
Of course - and it is spot-on. Most apostates suffer from this compulsive behaviour of hate for everything to do with JWs. It is totally irrational and all answers are the same.... motivated by hate.
It's book-hawking time. From Tom Irregardless and Me:
"For years after he stormed out of the congregation, Vic Vomodog would visit hospital transfusion rooms, roll up his sleeve and say: Fill ‘er up! just to show Jehovah’s Witnesses what he thought of them! Finally, he caught something and died. But before he did, he summoned me to his bedside. ‘Come quick, I’m fading fast!’ he pleaded. Throwing caution and counsel to the wind, I rushed to his side. My old friend Vic Vomodog! We used to pull together shoulder to shoulder in the work! How I regretted having cut him off when he’d changed sides. How judgmental I’d been! If only I could have another chance! His pained eyes met mine from his hospital bed. I knew he’d regretted his prior course. With trembling hand, he beckoned me close. I strained to catch his last words:
"There’s two, Tommy. That Watchtower you study? It’s not the same as what the public reads. You’re being indoctrinated, buddy. When are you going to wake up? They’re different.
"Oh, for crying out loud! I rolled my eyes and he died. Of course they’re different! When Stephen Hawking has his science chums over, do you think they crack open their Physics 101 college textbooks?"
….I like how this passage has aged. He used his dying breath to undermine his former religion.
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1 hour ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:
I took the meme at the bottom of your [Space Merchant] comment as a personal insult so I will not bother to converse with you again. I thought you were above such things.
I too was shocked and aghast that Space Merchant would stoop so low. Bad, Space Merchant bad! No donut for you!
That said, it was a running GIF. As soon as i can figure out how to do it myself….
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10 hours ago, Anna said:
So really, one needs to figure out when the last days began. Did they begin in the 1st century or much later. JWI went over all this in a lot of detail
Did he ever.
10 hours ago, Anna said:There are scriptures which definitely indicate that Jesus was king when on earth and was given dominion over everything once back in heaven, …This multiple king idea can be compared to a king being king over more than one country simultaneously.
I recall something was written about “the kingdom of the son of his love” into which believers were transferred into.
”He delivered us from the authority of the darkness and transferred us into the kingdom of the Son of his love,” (Colossians 1:13)
This was written about here, in 1978, (scroll to paragraph 9)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1978165?q=kingdom+of+the+son+of+his+love&p=par
but I don’t recall it has been discussed much since, maybe because I’ve never heard any brother other than @JW Insider postulate that the kingdom in all its fullness begins in 33CE. It makes no sense at all to me to think we have been in the last days for 1/3 of recorded history, yet there are plenty of verses that speak of Jesus reigning before what we now take as the ‘last days.’ It seemed hard to believe that Jehovah’s organization had never dealt with them. Now I see that they have, but not lately.
Does this ‘kingdom within a kingdom’ (like a Matryoshka doll!) account for these verses? Did JWI address that?
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Only partially, I would say. Just because the CDC did not admit it does not mean it is not so. It reminds me of situations in which the refusal of blood transfusion is a factor. If I person fell into a meat grinder, emerging as hamburger, and thereafter refused a blood transfusion, that refusal is the cause of death, at least as far as the media is concerned. So it appears to be with comorbidities when one of them is Covid.