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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Nana Fofana in Is it time for this forum to close its doors?   
    No. They are fighting ones who reproduce it. 
    You can reference it all you want. You can quote their writings. It is in accord with "fair use" doctrine. Whether they like it or not is immaterial. It is not illegal and you can do it. But to reproduce it is illegal and you cannot do it. @admin in my eyes has elevated his stature to that of Solomon with his wise observation: "Geez, you guys are a piece of work."
    Several verses speak against the futility of debates. Several verses say stay away from that. By allowing their copyrighted material to be reproduced by people who want to do just that, it gives the appearance than they themselves don't put stock in those verses. 
    They did say the first. They did not say the second. That is your own projection speaking. You qualify it by saying "even if their intentions were pure." Is there one person on this forum who would say his/her own intentions are not?
    This is very close to the old churchy slogan that says "it doesn't matter what you believe as long as you are sincere."
    Admin takes first place for being a modern-day Solomon. My dad takes second place for his wise counsel when he was driving the family car on those seemingly endless trips of my childhood: "If you kids don't stop crying back there, I'll give you something to cry about!"
     
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Noble Berean in Is it time for this forum to close its doors?   
    Exactly.
    http://www.tomsheepandgoats.com/2011/01/darwins-eye.html
    Actually, the fact that the Watchtower went the extra mile with this fellow undermines almost everything @Ann O'Maly says about them. She devotes a huge portion of her life painting them as villains. She throws it all away in a single post demonstrating that they are noble.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Nana Fofana in Is it time for this forum to close its doors?   
    As a purely practical matter, since said opposers drag them into courts and have succeeded in extracting some money, suing such opposers who reproduce their copyrighted material so as to malign it will soon make them richer than Apple, Google and Amazon combined.
    Deprived of their sustenance, some of such opposers will be screaming louder than Demetrius.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Melinda Mills in Is it time for this forum to close its doors?   
    Exactly.
    http://www.tomsheepandgoats.com/2011/01/darwins-eye.html
    Actually, the fact that the Watchtower went the extra mile with this fellow undermines almost everything @Ann O'Maly says about them. She devotes a huge portion of her life painting them as villains. She throws it all away in a single post demonstrating that they are noble.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Nana Fofana in Is it time for this forum to close its doors?   
    Exactly.
    http://www.tomsheepandgoats.com/2011/01/darwins-eye.html
    Actually, the fact that the Watchtower went the extra mile with this fellow undermines almost everything @Ann O'Maly says about them. She devotes a huge portion of her life painting them as villains. She throws it all away in a single post demonstrating that they are noble.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Sektenkult in Smile.Amazon.com Donations Now Directly Support Jehovah's Witnesses   
    Sometimes kids need a bit of soap for the mouth.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from DefenderOTT in 607 B.C.E. - Is it Biblically Supported?   
    It is mine. I never found them again. They were students and students come and go.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Arauna in 607 B.C.E. - Is it Biblically Supported?   
    It is mine. I never found them again. They were students and students come and go.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Nana Fofana in 607 B.C.E. - Is it Biblically Supported?   
    The cool things about recruiting Jehovah's Witnesses is that they work free.
    You gotta admit, there is a parallel.
    The movie was on pause when I posted last, so my wife could make popcorn which we will throw my daughter's dog a few kernels.
    You would like it even without knowing about the game
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Nana Fofana in 607 B.C.E. - Is it Biblically Supported?   
    This is why you do not squabble overmuch about 607 or anything else. 'Facts' are unstable building blocks that can be fashioned into palaces or outhouses. You don't blow 607 off as nothing, but neither do you let it spoil your day. Focus on the facts on the ground.
    The dispute will be like the food pyramid that stands for decades and is literally turned upon its head. It will be like the generation avoiding fat because the scientists said so only to find that businesspeople had bought science and sugar is the culprit. It will be even be like the mathematical proof that the sum of all natural numbers is -1/12. Or that black holes violate either relativity or quantum physics.
    It is the heart one must work to develop, not the head. For every Bible verse there is about the head, there are ten about the heart. Unfortunately, one of the drawbacks of focusing on the heart is that people cannot argue themselves right! - gutting the underpinnings of many a forum.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Evacuated in Smile.Amazon.com Donations Now Directly Support Jehovah's Witnesses   
    We cannot reinvent the wheel forever because you are too lazy to come up to speed. Several threads are dedicated to this. Find one and comment on it. Try not to repeat what has already been said.
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    TrueTomHarley reacted to JW Insider in Home 143rd Gilead Graduation—Concluding Talk and Assignments, video, 37:43 Enjoy !   
    Learning a new language used to be a major component of Gilead assignments. Just a few years ago, this was determined to be a big waste of time because there are places with need in countries where the missionaries already came from. No language to learn, no ex-pat papers, no visas, no suspicion that JWs promote only Western values, etc.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from JW Insider in A 5 yrs. young girl gave birth to a Baby boy ~~~ (NO fake)   
    I like this. Never tell someone he is wrong. Redirect his remarks to acknowledge that he makes a good point.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Sektenkult in Smile.Amazon.com Donations Now Directly Support Jehovah's Witnesses   
    There's a new kid in town.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Arauna in 607 B.C.E. - Is it Biblically Supported?   
    He tried to intervene on this forum, too, but he found he couldn't mix it up more than it already was.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from DeeDee in Which nations disappear in Armageddon?   
    Well, it certainly is shorter than the answer that precedes it.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Malum Intellectus in 607 B.C.E. - Is it Biblically Supported?   
    He tried to intervene on this forum, too, but he found he couldn't mix it up more than it already was.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Anna in 607 B.C.E. - Is it Biblically Supported?   
    I don't even have a clue as to how it will be 2018 in a week.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Noble Berean in 607 B.C.E. - Is it Biblically Supported?   
    The cool things about recruiting Jehovah's Witnesses is that they work free.
    You gotta admit, there is a parallel.
    The movie was on pause when I posted last, so my wife could make popcorn which we will throw my daughter's dog a few kernels.
    You would like it even without knowing about the game
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Nana Fofana in Babylon Will Rise Again   
    Listen to Witness, @Nana Fofana She is the one who knows the way to God. She will help you. (Gen 1:1-Mal 4:6, Matt 1:1-Rev 22:21)
    The letter she is simply beside herself to share - so excited! - is dismissed by Rabbi Michael Berenbaum, former director of the U.S. Holocaust Museum, as inconsequential. It is dated 1933.
    The infant Nazi government had just emerged and Witnesses tried to reassure it that they were apolitical and not a threat. It is no more sinister than that. Later, the regime would show its true colors and Witnesses faced the greatest evil of modern times.
    Um - the Librarian may flag me for this, but....I can almost hear the sirens from the State Hospital. 
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Anna in Babylon Will Rise Again   
    A snitch at Bethel told me 47 of those Helpers were caught shoplifting from boutiques last month and that was the reason for the article.
    Also, CNBC has reported, or should have, that over 6000 boutiques went out of business last year due to customer theft. It is a crisis rivaling the one of opioids. A spokesman for the industry said: "If only more religious organizations would talk about how the flying scroll of Zechariah condemns stealing instead of trying to spin it in airheaded ways."
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Arauna in 607 B.C.E. - Is it Biblically Supported?   
    Yes. If you are going to go hogwild over critical thinking, then go all the way. Turn it upon the Bible itself. The reason we can look at the Bible the way we do is because we have 'tasted and seen that Jehovah is good.' It is experience that determines how we look upon things. But if you hail from the world of criticism, you cannot conceive of unity. You have never seen it. Leave these people to their own devices and there is no Bible book written as presented. Every one of them is a hash of conflicting authors with warring agendas. It is the only reality these scholars have ever observed and it colors all of their scholarship.
    Bethel will never let go of 607, I don't think, because it enabled them to hit the nail on the head. The entire world only goes to war for the first time ever once in all millenia and they hit the year. Other years are known for various world leaders losing their library cards. Nothing packs the punch of 1914. If the entire world going to war concurrently for the first time ever isn't peace being taken from the world, what is? 
    Even if the overlapping generations threaten to separate - and I wouldn't hold my breath on that - they could simply say that a generation is a loose term of a certain time period - say, like the 'industrial age.' In 1974 a brief snippet in the Watchtower quoted some source with that outlook, and I recall thinking that that view might surface again some day. @JW Insider can find it, no doubt. It was in the Watchtower's equivalent of 'watching the world' - a series that ran for awhile of 3 items to a page.
    A few weeks ago there appeared in the meeting the Kingdom Rules book on Isaiah 11.  Discussing the return of the Jews from Babylonian exile and how they would be encouraged by Isaiah's prophesy about the animals, it said: "The lion would eat straw in the sense that it would not devour the Jews' cattle." They didn't have to do it. They could have said "God will supply them with bales of hay in order to feed the lions." Okay? They are not hung up on whether words are literal or figurative. 'Generation' will go more unconventional yet if it has to.
    I am handicapped in the 607 discussion by not knowing anything about it. But it is less of a handicap then one might think. @Ann O'Maly trots out the 100 year old quote that profane history cannot be trusted because it is written by men of conflicting motives in a Satan-controlled world. She hopes anyone reading the quote with think the GB stupid. The quote differs hardly at all with 'history is written by the victors,' which she probably quotes with an air of superiority in other discussions. @Arauna pointed out before what anyone with discernment knows already - that the land of scholarship is one of big egos (she was speaking Egyptology, I think, but it is across the board) where the 'victors' to all they can do discredit whoever they have temporarily out-argued - defunding them, even banning them from access to materials. 
    You don't go slobbering over critical thinking as the be-all and end-all. It is too easily outmaneuvered by other interests. 
     
     
     
     
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Nana Fofana in Babylon Will Rise Again   
    A snitch at Bethel told me 47 of those Helpers were caught shoplifting from boutiques last month and that was the reason for the article.
    Also, CNBC has reported, or should have, that over 6000 boutiques went out of business last year due to customer theft. It is a crisis rivaling the one of opioids. A spokesman for the industry said: "If only more religious organizations would talk about how the flying scroll of Zechariah condemns stealing instead of trying to spin it in airheaded ways."
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Melinda Mills in Can Jehovah’s Witnesses be called Christians?   
    This should always be acknowledged. We don't do it. They do.
    If it were done in addition to, not instead of, the work Christ primarily assigns his followers, it would put them head and shoulders above anyone else. (assuming good moral standards elsewhere)
    The illustration I like is of the couple who hires a babysitter to care for the children. When they return, they find the children neglected and the babysitter has painted the ceiling. Even though the ceiling did need painting, they are not happy.
    The reason Jehovah's Witnesses do not rebuild the whole city is that they are mostly volunteers using vacation time, which is not unlimited. The answer is for all other groups to be similarly mobilized.
    Yes. Would that each Catholic was involved in the noble works you speak of.
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