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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    Sure. I have no idea who will be saved or not. Nor does it make any difference to my personal responsibility to make known the good news.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from JW Insider in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    From what I hear the local saying is, “Dan has killed his thousands and xero his tens of thousands.”
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Pudgy in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    From what I hear the local saying is, “Dan has killed his thousands and xero his tens of thousands.”
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Anna in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    Sure. I have no idea who will be saved or not. Nor does it make any difference to my personal responsibility to make known the good news.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Pudgy in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    Sure. I have no idea who will be saved or not. Nor does it make any difference to my personal responsibility to make known the good news.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Anna in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    Ha! Right in the title we see how JWI is playing with us all, up to his old tricks of putting the cart before the horse:
    How a Christmas song would lead me to beleive that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.
    Is it “I before E except after L?” I don’t think so.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Thinking in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    Sure. I have no idea who will be saved or not. Nor does it make any difference to my personal responsibility to make known the good news.
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    TrueTomHarley reacted to JW Insider in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    Unless you are Timothy:
    (1 Timothy 4:16) . . .Persevere in these things, for by doing this you will save both yourself and those who listen to you.
    Or Paul?
    (1 Corinthians 9:22) 22 To the weak I became weak, in order to gain the weak. I have become all things to people of all sorts, so that I might by all possible means save some.
    Or those who declare the good news?
    (Romans 10:13-15) . . .. 13 For “everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved.” 14 However, how will they call on him if they have not put faith in him? How, in turn, will they put faith in him about whom they have not heard? How, in turn, will they hear without someone to preach? 15 How, in turn, will they preach unless they have been sent out? Just as it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who declare good news of good things!”
    Of course, I will agree in advance with the explanation I would expect you could give.
    (Romans 14:4-10) 4 Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for Jehovah can make him stand.. . . 10 But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you also look down on your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Arauna in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    Sure. I have no idea who will be saved or not. Nor does it make any difference to my personal responsibility to make known the good news.
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    TrueTomHarley reacted to xero in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    Your doing so is imperative as you are saving YOURSELF when you do so. You cannot save anyone else.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Amidstheroses in Language often makes implicit arguments which are contradictory   
    Few realize that the Beatles later built upon his platform of philosophy:
    ”because I told you before…oh…you kant do that.”
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Amidstheroses in Language often makes implicit arguments which are contradictory   
    What a weird congregation you have.
    It’s like when the Regional brother and his wife hit town and it isn’t yet clear just what congregation they will be attending. “Are we in that stage of trying to haul in the big fish?” I ask them, making gestures of reeling in the big one. They reply yes. “Well,” I tell them, “just between us, I’m not sure they even believe in God at those other congregations.”
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Thinking in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    WHAT!!?? After I have overhauled my entire theology?!
    Thanks a lot, bub! I’m sending Pudgy over to pee on your leg.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Anna in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    Tell the dodo it couldn’t have been click bait because there was no place given for anyone to click.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Anna in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    Very clever. Fact-checking Jesus!
    and pretty much the truth. I mean, no one actually does what he says today. They have fact-checked him away.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Anna in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    It is a strange passage that appears to upend notions of lives in the present system being incredible important to Jehovah. We usually respond to such passages with a “Moving on, here.”
     
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Anna in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    They don’t have to advertise. The state does that for them.
    (did you hear on account the country’s enthusiastic embrace, some are call Israel “Pfisrael?”)
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Anna in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    You should get over your obsession on this. Unfortunately, lawyers are a byproduct of living in the modern world. 
    You and I both remember when the premier sponsors for TV news programs were manufacturers or merchants. Now they are lawyers. With no exaggeration I can count over a dozen lawyers who regularly advertise on local media, some a dozen times a day. If you have pockets, someone will find a pretext to try to empty them. It Is a societal transfer of funds for every reason under the sun, with barristers netting a third.
    Don’t misunderstand. There are wrongs to be righted. We live in a society that views money as the way to right wrongs. It’s not to say that every lawsuit is just a money grab. But when lawyers replace manufacturers and merchants as the premiere advertisers, well—it’s one crazy way to run a planet.
     
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Anna in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    About as many who wish he’d never spoken of eating his flesh and drinking his blood.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Anna in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    I think the way I should have put it is that the doctrines don’t change. Once you’ve dealt with them, you’ve dealt with them. Accordingly, in any given year, our publications will barely mention trinity and hellfire beyond a reference or two to how they are “trash’ that interfere with building a relationship with God. Very seldom are there specific paragraphs on trinity, let alone an entire article. Mostly they just refer people back to the Trinity brochure, or whatever has replaced it.
    My own blog is the same way. In sixteen years I have maybe 5 or 6 posts specifically on the Trinity. In the Enjoy Life Forever interactive brochure there is almost nothing on trinity or hellfire. All I found was something in the Explore section of lesson 13, How False Religion Misrepresents God:
    “For generations, religions have told lies that make God seem distant and cruel. Learn the truth about three of those lies.“Lies That Make God Seem Unlovable” (The Watchtower, November 1, 2013)”
    It was even a little frustrating to me because I did have a Bible student from fundamentalist background, a very studious guy always wanting to ‘dig deeper.’ So I dug into how all renderings of hell stem from just 3 original language words—sheol, hades, Gehenna, (with a single exception of one ‘tartarus’), and that all renderings of hellfire come only from Gehenna. I didn’t see where that was specifically dealt with in depth and I ended up going off on my own tangents—Insight book material, and so forth. It is not part of the basic study guide.
    Few people seriously believe these doctrines anymore—people have “moved on” from doctrines—and the ones who do, fundamentalists for the most part, are seldom persuaded no matter how much you quote scripture. They are the people who “accepted Jesus” in a flash. Some preacher said “come down and be saved” and in an instant they did, having had no intention of doing so before. They get their “truth” by revelation, not by Bible study. They thereafter cherry pick the Bible to find verses that back up what they believe. Where they find passages that don’t, they dismiss them as poor interpretation, corruption, bad translation, the Bible is too complicated to know, and so forth. Their minds were made up at their “conversion” that happened in an instant. “I’ve never convinced one” my favorite circuit overseer said, an old timer now deceased, on arguing with people over the trinity. 
    If we are oldtimers ourselves, and we remember a time when these doctrines were important to people, we can easily fall into the mindset that they still are. But they rarely are. The approach of the Enjoy Life Forever is not to teach people doctrines they don’t believe in anyway only to thereafter tell them they are wrong. Instead, it just teaches Bible truth, and reserves the ‘Lies that Make God Seem Unlovable’ article for anyone still attached to those beliefs. 
    Of course, if you happen to be surrounded by people who do love and cherish these doctrines, then lots of time spent disproving them may be just the ticket. But those people are becoming rare, they are rapidly dying out and being replaced by persons who don’t give a hoot. I think that’s way the Watchtower devotes relatively little space to the “false doctrines of Christendom.” They try to keep up, not with how people used to be, but how they are now. They focus on teaching the positive things of the Bible, rather than disproving the negative
     
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Anna in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    Yes. We need you. There’s no end to the outrageous things they’ve been saying in your absense.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Anna in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    Maybe it’s that “Patiently waiting for the Truth” is exactly the opposite of the course Jesus recommended:
    ““Keep on asking, and it will be given you; keep on seeking, and you will find; keep on knocking, and it will be opened to you;”  (Matt 7:7)
    Though most modern Bibles have removed the next verse as spurious, some versions read:
    ”And some of his lazy disciples said, ‘Isn’t it enough to patiently wait?”
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Pudgy in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    Tell the dodo it couldn’t have been click bait because there was no place given for anyone to click.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    I’m working up a post with more on that topic of so many going down in the census and subjects related but I’m just not going to do it in front of that moron who ignores the substance of any remark to insert some completely irrelevant insult of those taking the lead in the evangelizing work. In time it will be in the closed forum.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Arauna in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    Very clever. Fact-checking Jesus!
    and pretty much the truth. I mean, no one actually does what he says today. They have fact-checked him away.
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