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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Thinking in Brothers helping Brothers Jehovah be with them.   
    Yes, I like this comment from hgp very much. It’s an entirely valid way of looking at things. Jehovah’s Witnesses are united. Churches (in almost all cases typified by trinitarian belief) are not. If they were, Russia’s “trinitarian” soldiers (the vast bulk of the Russian population holds to the ROC faith, though they’re not necessarily active) would simply not turn weapons upon their fellow Christians. 
    Only this bit of hyperbole undermines the remark some:
    They’re usually not “happy” about it. But they do it nonetheless, and that makes the point even more powerful. The Witnesses’ love for God and fellow man, fortified by a united human organization, prevents them from picking up arms against their fellow man. Many there are in ‘Christendom’—perhaps even most, who are basically decent people, desirous of peace. But because they don’t have the same principles and unity of Jehovah’s Witnesses, the national ‘king’ finds them easy to maneuver to support whatever is the warlike project of the day.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Thinking in THINGS THAT ARE TRULY INSPIRATIONAL!   
    Ha! Yeah, like another one who regularly complains of “no spirituality here” and yet shows up as reliably as the rising sun.
    Shakespeare it ain’t but if it is a complete waste of time what does that say about the person who constantly attends to it?
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    TrueTomHarley reacted to Arauna in THINGS THAT ARE TRULY INSPIRATIONAL!   
    Then why stay? If you just read our drivel to make yourself feel superior, I can give you a few websites you can visit which will stimulate your superior intellect. 
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    TrueTomHarley reacted to Space Merchant in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    The MSM is selective. Finding the truth in the matter, isn't.
    I took the time to actually see what the Croatian people have been saying, although some got confused of who owned the Drone, such as yourself and what the BBC attempted to claim, some from your country gave more insight, so much so, in regards to who shot it down is in affiliation with NATO and issue with Anti-Air locks failing; hence the disappointments, Croatian police also assume it to be Russian, but it isn't despite the fact there is a lot of finger pointing. Some of them assumed it could be in association with a False Flag just to get others involved in the War itself.
    It wouldn't make sense to apply because a Religious Institution isn't the MSM, nor do they hold any affiliation with the MSM to even attest to selective information concerning what Matthew 24 and 25 pertains to.
    This is why it is already concluded the situation of 1975 and the events around it, ever since the book released in 1966 since that is also connected came down to speculation and human errors based on their own understanding instead of context. This was addressed several times already; seems you are asking the same as a parallel this time.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Anna in It's called, "You have a right to know"   
    Then tell your “anointed” to take their lamp-oil business elsewhere and watch the “economy” of the “Great Eight” collapse like Putin’s Russia. Sheesh! This is so stupid it’s hard to see how anyone could take it seriously! There’s only eight of them! And if you think they are all fraudsters just cut them out from your glorious company and do your magnificent deeds without them! See if you can make them cry over that. 
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in It's called, "You have a right to know"   
    Then tell your “anointed” to take their lamp-oil business elsewhere and watch the “economy” of the “Great Eight” collapse like Putin’s Russia. Sheesh! This is so stupid it’s hard to see how anyone could take it seriously! There’s only eight of them! And if you think they are all fraudsters just cut them out from your glorious company and do your magnificent deeds without them! See if you can make them cry over that. 
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in It's called, "You have a right to know"   
    Well, why doesn’t Witness and the other aggrieved anointed, assuming they exist, meet in defiance and tell the eight GB members at Bethel to take a hike? It is because they don’t exist. The anointed in Jehovah’s organization have no problem complying with current understanding. Only those “anointed” outside Jehovah’s organization have a problem with it. Witness claims to be one of them. So why doesn’t she meet with her fellow off-brand “anointed” to her heart’s content? How are the eight in Bethel going to stop her? Why would they even want to?
     
    You dodo
    The CSA charges have been dealt with many times, and you just repackage them and run them through again. It is rare for elders and ministerial servants to be perpetrators (whereas it is the pattern in certain churches). Holly Folk, an abuse victim, a non-Witness, and a scholar puts the hysteria in perspective:
    https://www.tomsheepandgoats.com/2021/02/holly-folk-speaks-to-child-sexual-abuse-among-jehovahs-witnesses.html
    Even allowing for dodoness there is no way you cannot know this, yet you continue to make the same incendiary charges. This makes you not only a dodo but also a liar.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Pudgy in THINGS THAT ARE TRULY INSPIRATIONAL!   
    Well if that’s all it takes…..
    You and me, you ol pork chop. Any time. Any place. I’ll pound the stuffing out of you!
    (Gotta hand it to Musk. I like the guy. Strictly speaking, though, Putin should decline, match him up with an oligarch instead, and challenge President Joe.)
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Dmitar in It's called, "You have a right to know"   
    Then tell your “anointed” to take their lamp-oil business elsewhere and watch the “economy” of the “Great Eight” collapse like Putin’s Russia. Sheesh! This is so stupid it’s hard to see how anyone could take it seriously! There’s only eight of them! And if you think they are all fraudsters just cut them out from your glorious company and do your magnificent deeds without them! See if you can make them cry over that. 
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Thinking in It's called, "You have a right to know"   
    I rest my case. What’s it to you what my faith is? With all the truly vile characters out there today, why target the religion whose members under no circumstances will take life? Why not go after one, you could almost pick at random, in which if you put members in just the right circumstances, they will take life? The energy your pour into your crazy mission is bizarre.
    to the same extent that a student puts his teacher on a pedestal, an athlete puts his coach on a pedestal, a soldier puts his general on a pedestal, a tourist puts his guide on a pedestal, a businessman puts his advisor on a pedestal. Such relationships are routine in life and are only depicted as “putting oneself under tyranny” when it is the religion you don’t like.
    This statement only reflects your jealousy that the Witness organization does not recognize your self-proclaimed ‘anointed’ status and does not afford you the platform you assume is your due. You are a crazy woman—I don’t back up on that for a second. Even Patiently Waiting for the Truth, who is sure a “True Anointed” will come along to save the day, knows enough that it is not you.
    I am livid that in your quest to undermine the Witness organization, you knowingly display a dishonest site stealing logo and artwork of someone much better, and you expose admin to risk in doing it. I accept that the risk to admin was done unknowingly. Still, I am grateful for the writing platform he has granted me. I get it that it’s not altruism nor is he especially religious. I get it that he takes advantage of the enormous traffic the JW stuff generates to boost his website’s stature and branch into other fields. I get it that he makes a modest sum off advertising. Doesn’t matter. These things have all worked to my advantage—it’s a symbiotic relationship we have, and so I am furious when someone is so reckless in their quest to destroy what’s noble as to potentially make him trouble.
    Same as what Space Merchant points out about atheism. As your rage inadvertently puts Admin in a bad way, so it also puts God in a bad way. Plenty of taunts toward God and Christ in what SM points to. Doesn’t bother you a bit to embrace atheists sneering at God if it furthers your anti-Witness quest.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Pudgy in It's called, "You have a right to know"   
    Then tell your “anointed” to take their lamp-oil business elsewhere and watch the “economy” of the “Great Eight” collapse like Putin’s Russia. Sheesh! This is so stupid it’s hard to see how anyone could take it seriously! There’s only eight of them! And if you think they are all fraudsters just cut them out from your glorious company and do your magnificent deeds without them! See if you can make them cry over that. 
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from JW Insider in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    There’s some good stuff coming out of Space Merchant lately.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Pudgy in It's called, "You have a right to know"   
    I rest my case. What’s it to you what my faith is? With all the truly vile characters out there today, why target the religion whose members under no circumstances will take life? Why not go after one, you could almost pick at random, in which if you put members in just the right circumstances, they will take life? The energy your pour into your crazy mission is bizarre.
    to the same extent that a student puts his teacher on a pedestal, an athlete puts his coach on a pedestal, a soldier puts his general on a pedestal, a tourist puts his guide on a pedestal, a businessman puts his advisor on a pedestal. Such relationships are routine in life and are only depicted as “putting oneself under tyranny” when it is the religion you don’t like.
    This statement only reflects your jealousy that the Witness organization does not recognize your self-proclaimed ‘anointed’ status and does not afford you the platform you assume is your due. You are a crazy woman—I don’t back up on that for a second. Even Patiently Waiting for the Truth, who is sure a “True Anointed” will come along to save the day, knows enough that it is not you.
    I am livid that in your quest to undermine the Witness organization, you knowingly display a dishonest site stealing logo and artwork of someone much better, and you expose admin to risk in doing it. I accept that the risk to admin was done unknowingly. Still, I am grateful for the writing platform he has granted me. I get it that it’s not altruism nor is he especially religious. I get it that he takes advantage of the enormous traffic the JW stuff generates to boost his website’s stature and branch into other fields. I get it that he makes a modest sum off advertising. Doesn’t matter. These things have all worked to my advantage—it’s a symbiotic relationship we have, and so I am furious when someone is so reckless in their quest to destroy what’s noble as to potentially make him trouble.
    Same as what Space Merchant points out about atheism. As your rage inadvertently puts Admin in a bad way, so it also puts God in a bad way. Plenty of taunts toward God and Christ in what SM points to. Doesn’t bother you a bit to embrace atheists sneering at God if it furthers your anti-Witness quest.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Dmitar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    There’s some good stuff coming out of Space Merchant lately.
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    TrueTomHarley reacted to Space Merchant in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    The problem with speculation is that those who understand context will be ad odds with those in their community, which was the situation in those days. If you have one JW debating another JW on what was read and heard in those days, that in of itself is a dead giveaway that speculation caused people to lean on their own understanding of things, granted the 60s and the 70s concerning Christianity for both factions tend to a thing, and regarding JWs, they themselves were caught in this too.
    As for the Apostles, they are good comparisons as is those that came after them. Likewise with any Churches that existed in the 1st century where some small/minor understanding seems to get the best of people. For example, The Church of Corinth. Another, Apollos, in which in that situation, people had their own understanding in which Apostle Paul had to deal with that situation where the understanding caused different groups in the church, Paul himself was notified by members of the church, namely the household of Chloe (of whom Srecko and Witness tried to convince me she was a church leader when she isn't.)
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    TrueTomHarley reacted to Space Merchant in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Which is the norm to those who adhere to The Commission, from the day they start to their last breathe, they eventually go to sleep in death and those who God knows to be with him, will be called by the Christ (John 14:13, 5:28, 29, Acts 24:15 [parallels to Prophet Isaiah - Isa. 25:8, 26:19]), the situation is a bit different for those of the Firstfruits, God's chosen. 
    Do what is right in God's eyes, as is the Commission commanded by the Christ for the end of the End Times is near.
    Rests of their days - an Idiom to natural cause - death. [To spend the remaining portion of one's life (doing something or being some place).] You do realize that people do what they do until the remaining theirs of their life.
    Granted it states days, it can equate to months and or years, no one knows when it is their time to expire, so in life they take action, as we can see here as already addressed, in the 60s and 70s there was zeal to minister for the Commission, in those days it wasn't only the JWs who had this zeal, but those of the other action.
    This is also obvious because historically, the 1070s was the Fourth and Final Great Awakening in which Christian zeal was in abundance.
    This has nothing to do with the article concerning 1975, and I haven't seen that in the archived article written anywhere. Remember what Deut. 4:2 says and apply it.
    The 1974 archived article, a year and a few months shy from the 1975 narrative, was already addressed in the other page, although @Pudgy got the archived image of it, the focused quotes were pulled for context.
    All in all, once again Matthew 24 and 25 as is 1 John 2:17 was ignored, hence why it was brought up once again.
     
    Surely, you know how to read a Bible verse, Apostle John himself proclaimed until his exiled, until the end of his day.
    Unfortunately, it comes down to understanding.
    Half believed in what was said in context. The other Half assumed otherwise and took action. In both groups, the claim that this day/year would be it. Moreover them preaching the gospel would not be a thing due to Matthew 24 and 25 as is the verse in John. There was indeed arguments and debate based discussions with within the JW community due to these 2 views - hence speculation.
    From what I am aware, their religious leaders at the time never made the claim, as did any of their works starting from 1966 (hence Witness' original post where her quoted stated they did - was wrong - I still have the links to the original threads). The End is Near, which is true, but the End being specifically 1975 whereas even a list of factors deem otherwise, speculation, hence why they addressed in later on down to human error and or understanding (the part you excluded from your source).
    Jesus was pretty clear when he told Christians to gospel preach, be committed to the Commission, and the the End would come, hence Matthew 24 and 25. He made that clear to his Apostles and other followers of Christ, for they were aware that the End is near and they must proclaim the Messianic Message as is tell people about God's Kingdom, likewise, with that information, it is up to the people to either accept or not.
    It is more logic and reading comprehension, the thing is, would you allow the knowledge read in full context, or speculate.
    Sadly, to your behest, they never made the claim. No one knows, however speculation can be drawn compared to most in that day who assume it will happen by other means; which can cause a domino effect.
     
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    TrueTomHarley reacted to Thinking in It's called, "You have a right to know"   
    Thank you for this info…I didn’t know this.
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    TrueTomHarley reacted to Space Merchant in It's called, "You have a right to know"   
    @Witness This is what I was talking about concerning spoofing:
    The first image (image A) is from your link, if clicked in combination it intertwines with JW.org. The second image (image B) is the legitimate JW.org, for the image concerning Ukraine was there the other day and suddenly the link you provided already for spoofed images of a recently shown image. The third image (image C) is from your link that if you manage to find the re-directs, it mirrors exactly the same as JW.org, and there is a possible risk for anyone who clicks on a link or try to login. The 4th image (image D) is what JW.org was just a few days ago in which Image A was updated to match it soon after it was changed to Image B.
    Both JW.org and your link also has a workable logon page so you don't know which one is true or false if you don't pay attention.
    The Red Flag here is that once you go to the spoofed website, most, if not all re-directs to JW.org, which is a problem because if the website was to have archived all information collected by JWs and EXJWs, why is there a need to have a replicated site that re-directs on purpose?
    Image A
    Image B
     
    Image C
     
    Image D
     
    Here are other examples, Image A.1 is JW.org and Image B.1 is the spoofed website
    Image A.1
    Image B.1
    Identical if one isn't paying attention because they'll simply be confused, very confused and possibly think the website is hacked and or other serious scenarios. Image B.1 automatically re-directs to JW.org, in addition to that, the IP of JW.org is also semi-mirrored here, so in a sense, it does slowly lean into the copyright waters as @Dmitar mention. At the time time, it is woeful deception.
     
    Lastly, granted this website assumes JWs to be a Cult, thus whomever made the website adopted the Cult Ideology concerning Christians, some of the things used in the replicated spoof website, he/she mocked God (Jehovah/Yahweh) and mocked Jesus, not to mention shown a lowkey racist remark towards Chinese people. He/She continued to mock God directly concerning COVID-19, and made fun of God to assume as if he was part of a drug cartel/drug growing duo from a drama series, I doubt you or anyone elsewhere here assumes God, Jehovah/Yahweh to be part of a Drug Trade type of thing. Granted the history of this website, despite it's infancy, there has been some remark changes to further mock Jehovah's Witnesses, The Watchtower, as is to mock Christ, the son of God, and His Father, due to this, it can be deduced that this person isn't an EXJW, but an Anti-JW, who is not only disgruntled, but also has a level of hatred for God himself. Hence in Apostasy, the notion of one being alienated from God.
    The person in archived versions of this replica also mocked the Bible and the Holocaust... Considers Jesus a Fairytale, as is all written about him.
    More mockery in the last image 

    With the stuff I have seen, having to close my browser and open it constantly... I can't even said "That being said" for this response instead "What on God's Green Earth" is more appropriate here.
    But really, you should have known what you are linking, this is way examine, even research is key, you can't post things without knowing. In this case, it is more than simply spoofing, but rather influences of an Anti-JW, more so, someone who is in the camp of the Atheistism community similar to Jack on this forum but more severe, granted, the notions are met to hit beyond JWs themselves.
    It gets even more worse
    [Because we witness, or never shut up about Jehovah: Jehovah this, Jehovah that, Jehovah God, our God Jehovah, Jehovah, Jehovah, Jehovah; we are known as Jehovah’s Witnesses. This is a parody homepage but you can explore our real life cult website by clicking on any of the links you see here. Read our own cult Bible online. Learn more about how we break apart families by practising an extreme form of shunning]
    What I see that is ironic, he says that it is a parody website, but you cannot claim parody by spoof replication with assets, in most cases, that do not belong to you. Legal action can be taken should someone choose. He/She even go as far as to admit to the re-direct links which are potentially not safe.
    NOTE: Unlike trademark law, copyright law does not presume commercial use. Under copyright law, “not all parody is protected; instead, parody, 'like any other use, has to work its way through the relevant factors.
    None of them pertain to replication and spoofs.
    The latter also admitted to spoofing....

     
    This won't end well once people start to realize all of this...
    People will obviously be upset, you should be too. People who mock God directly, equating, in this regard, Jehovah your God, to Drug dealers in a Drug trade or jokingly calling him a Spaghetti Monster is indeed a problem. A serious one.
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    TrueTomHarley reacted to Space Merchant in It's called, "You have a right to know"   
    Because I dwell in IT (I branch out in a few things in that domain), there are things, tools we use to scan websites, and that is in connection with the device I use which is passive, there are 3rd parties too.
    Broken links appear as such below if you click on things outside of the main page itself:

    It loops you in with every click. They're not only broken, but they're fillers; possibly just for show.
    You can have fun with this one - https://accessjw.org/en/index_20211223.html
    It does not take 15 minutes. Scan only took less than 2 minutes. That is how I got the Age of the Domain also, and IP. Scans normally take anywhere from a few seconds to 5 or so minutes. The website only had 4 domains also. 15 or more minutes is like trying to go through, for example JP Morgan, however, that is a well secured 443 and rarely are links broken they get terminated.
    The site even suggested it is an affiliated Trademark, granted most replicated assets do not belong to them. even if it is a joke to say TM, it is serious when it comes to copyright.

     
    Hence Laws
    https://www.ny-trademark-lawyer.com/trademarks-that-falsely-suggest-a-connection-with-other-persons.html
    https://500law.com/trademark-registration-fraud/
    This in combination with TM remarks, potentially spoof/hacking, direct linking to JW.org via some links via redirection, is an extremely high possibility of a bad situation waiting to happen should an entity look at this. Nintendo levels of law is something no one wants if caught.
    That is because you are on the Main Page of the domain. When you click outside of it, it brings you to the image as shown above, even blanks.
    Main Pages are not so much effected with Domains in it's infancy stage.
    No. However, a lot of this stuff was collected over the years, some of which JWs and EXJWs know about, as is the debates and discussions around them, that is why I brought up the Trust, the same documentation was brought up when the EXJW refuted Mr. Zelda's claims, which is ironic that I mention this now because I just told Dmitar about it not too long ago in a response.
    Because no one wants to be unknowingly traced and or key logged, or worse, if they click out of the domain, especially the login which is sketchy, can easily get someone's email/username along with password, to net-packed back to the domain outside of JW.org, a data-breach.
    The Gateway to JW.org may be compromised, hence the example given.
    One is better off with the other known domain used by your community, you already have JWfacts, do you not? Even for them, they would NOT make such a move that puts them in the crosshairs of entities of whom one cannot truly comprehend their movements; uncommon, for these types are in line with The Alphabet Boys.
    Spoofing is nothing to be joked about. If you do not warn people to be careful, you can inadvertently put JWs and EXJWs at risk if they don't know this stuff. And this can ensue ramifications of possibly entities that have nothing to do with the Watchtower, especially, if someone accidently got victimized by a spoof the other way around is to pin blame on the Watchtower for hacking people without them even know what happened prompting the Watchtower to figure out who did what, in this case, you'll have victims, the Watchtower, and Entities you do not want coming for you, to zero in on the cause.
    That being said, whatever domains remain of the information on the main page, it would be best for anyone, even EXJWs to stick with that solely instead of the latter.
    But really, a 443 with filler/broken links is not a good look. If you do not know what that is, 443 is an Internet Protocol (Port), in English, its HTTPS:\\ associated with the Secure Socket Layer.
    https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/spoofing.asp
    Knowing this stuff is of my expertise. Stuff like this, the people should know.
    Technology is a blessing and a curse.
    The World Wide Web (Internet) is a blessing and a curse
    It all comes down to how it is used, for some people have bad intent to use such things against someone.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Thinking in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    I honestly think I’ll have to block him, my first block ever (despite some very disagreeable people on the forum). My spirit can no longer stand the wear and tear.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Thinking in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    I do believe this. That’s why I will take it seriously should SM ever check me on some point I have made, rather than blow it off as fault-seeking drivel, the way I realistically must do with so many here.
    I won’t go quite so far as to say it would be a Psalm 141: 5 moment…
    “Should the righteous one … reprove me, it would be like oil on my head, Which my head would never refuse,”
    but close.
    If you hate the good news, you will do everything in your power to find fault with the imperfect vessels that carry it. It is no more complicated than that. SM is on to these malcontents.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Pudgy in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    All of it, Dimitar. It’s all gone. Every verse of it I’ve separated. Not a syllable is left.
    There. Happy?
    Now please, shine your weird paranoid malignant presence that you would have us believe is Christianity whereas anyone can plainly see that you display by far the least Christlike personality of anyone here—please shine it on someone else.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Pudgy in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    I honestly think I’ll have to block him, my first block ever (despite some very disagreeable people on the forum). My spirit can no longer stand the wear and tear.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Dmitar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    I honestly think I’ll have to block him, my first block ever (despite some very disagreeable people on the forum). My spirit can no longer stand the wear and tear.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Dmitar in Brothers helping Brothers Jehovah be with them.   
    Tell him to take it up with Jesus. That’s the one he seems to have a beef with:
    “Jesus said: “Truly I say to you, no one has left house or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or fields for my sake and for the sake of the good news  who will not get 100 times more now in this period of time—houses, brothers, sisters, mothers, children, and fields, with persecutions—and in the coming system of things, everlasting life. “ (Mark 10:29-30)
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