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TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Pudgy in How were JW elders who were really Communist Spies appointed by "Holy Spirit"?
Yes. Exactly as was done in the first century.
Moreover, they [Paul and Barnabas] appointed elders for them in each congregation, offering prayer with fasting, and they entrusted them to Jehovah, in whom they had become believers. (Acts 14:23)
They are “appointed by holy spirit” in that (1) the qualifications are laid out in scripture, (2) they are judged to have met those qualifications by experienced overseers who have measured up to those qualifications themselves, after (3) prayerful consideration and consultation. That’s all the expression means. That’s all it has ever meant.
It doesn’t mean God takes away their free will and right to choose. It doesn’t mean he makes them automatons. It doesn’t mean that what is within the human realm cannot be tainted by the human.
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TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in How were JW elders who were really Communist Spies appointed by "Holy Spirit"?
Yes. Exactly as was done in the first century.
Moreover, they [Paul and Barnabas] appointed elders for them in each congregation, offering prayer with fasting, and they entrusted them to Jehovah, in whom they had become believers. (Acts 14:23)
They are “appointed by holy spirit” in that (1) the qualifications are laid out in scripture, (2) they are judged to have met those qualifications by experienced overseers who have measured up to those qualifications themselves, after (3) prayerful consideration and consultation. That’s all the expression means. That’s all it has ever meant.
It doesn’t mean God takes away their free will and right to choose. It doesn’t mean he makes them automatons. It doesn’t mean that what is within the human realm cannot be tainted by the human.
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TrueTomHarley got a reaction from JW Insider in How were JW elders who were really Communist Spies appointed by "Holy Spirit"?
If “appointed by holy spirit“ is supposed to be some sort of “foolproof” process, how could Paul have said (Acts 20:30) to first-century elders, “from among you yourselves men will rise and speak twisted things to draw away the disciples after themselves?”
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TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Space Merchant in How were JW elders who were really Communist Spies appointed by "Holy Spirit"?
Yes. Exactly as was done in the first century.
Moreover, they [Paul and Barnabas] appointed elders for them in each congregation, offering prayer with fasting, and they entrusted them to Jehovah, in whom they had become believers. (Acts 14:23)
They are “appointed by holy spirit” in that (1) the qualifications are laid out in scripture, (2) they are judged to have met those qualifications by experienced overseers who have measured up to those qualifications themselves, after (3) prayerful consideration and consultation. That’s all the expression means. That’s all it has ever meant.
It doesn’t mean God takes away their free will and right to choose. It doesn’t mean he makes them automatons. It doesn’t mean that what is within the human realm cannot be tainted by the human.
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TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Melinda Mills in How were JW elders who were really Communist Spies appointed by "Holy Spirit"?
Yes. Exactly as was done in the first century.
Moreover, they [Paul and Barnabas] appointed elders for them in each congregation, offering prayer with fasting, and they entrusted them to Jehovah, in whom they had become believers. (Acts 14:23)
They are “appointed by holy spirit” in that (1) the qualifications are laid out in scripture, (2) they are judged to have met those qualifications by experienced overseers who have measured up to those qualifications themselves, after (3) prayerful consideration and consultation. That’s all the expression means. That’s all it has ever meant.
It doesn’t mean God takes away their free will and right to choose. It doesn’t mean he makes them automatons. It doesn’t mean that what is within the human realm cannot be tainted by the human.
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TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Space Merchant in How were JW elders who were really Communist Spies appointed by "Holy Spirit"?
If “appointed by holy spirit“ is supposed to be some sort of “foolproof” process, how could Paul have said (Acts 20:30) to first-century elders, “from among you yourselves men will rise and speak twisted things to draw away the disciples after themselves?”
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TrueTomHarley reacted to Melinda Mills in How were JW elders who were really Communist Spies appointed by "Holy Spirit"?
Judas was appointed by Jesus also, and he was of the heavenly calling. And I agree with the last sentence above by Bro Tom Harley.
By the way Adam was made by God, and appointed to take care of all the earth and the animals. But he used his free will in the wrong way.
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TrueTomHarley got a reaction from xero in How were JW elders who were really Communist Spies appointed by "Holy Spirit"?
If “appointed by holy spirit“ is supposed to be some sort of “foolproof” process, how could Paul have said (Acts 20:30) to first-century elders, “from among you yourselves men will rise and speak twisted things to draw away the disciples after themselves?”
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TrueTomHarley got a reaction from hgp in How were JW elders who were really Communist Spies appointed by "Holy Spirit"?
If “appointed by holy spirit“ is supposed to be some sort of “foolproof” process, how could Paul have said (Acts 20:30) to first-century elders, “from among you yourselves men will rise and speak twisted things to draw away the disciples after themselves?”
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TrueTomHarley reacted to Pudgy in Vaccine time
I thought that in 1945 the International courts that were convened in Nuremberg Germany by Allied Forces firmly established the fact that it is illegal and immoral to force someone to take any medical treatment that they object to.
They actually took some German soldiers, medical personnel out and hung them by the neck until dead because they did this.
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TrueTomHarley reacted to xero in Vaccine time
https://sarahwestall.com/major-development-rabbinical-court-decrees-mrna-jab-absolutely-forbidden-for-children-adolescents-young-men-women/
https://renz-law.com/vaccine-risks-for-children/
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TrueTomHarley reacted to xero in Vaccine time
Why do the protected need to be protected from the unprotected by forcing the unprotected to use the protection that didn't protect the protected in the first place?
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TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Space Merchant in Vaccine time
Back in the day when you got a vaccine it meant you didn’t catch the disease. It doesn’t mean that anymore, and people schooled in the old ways, like the guy in the third video, are having a hard time with the new definition.
To be sure, the flu vaccines, not the Covid ones, have already introduced the idea that you could get the shot with no benefit.
It does seem to me that the media is doing backflips to avoid stating the obvious: people are leaving the workforce where possible to avoid the mandates.
Just finished repackaging some remarks I first made here, (except for the Newsweek link, which was JWI) on gain-of-function. It is another term—they proliferate today—that one day nobody has ever heard of, and the next day is ubiquitous.
https://www.tomsheepandgoats.com/2021/11/gain-of-function-research-it-all-lies-in-the-definition.html
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TrueTomHarley reacted to xero in Vaccine time
The other thing about these vaccines which could be an issue, but which it's verboten to wonder about or discuss is the question as to whether all these vaccines are generating mutations or the question as to whether we are creating the problem of vaccine dependency...think of the numbers of people who have peanut allergies today or asthma because these weren't naturally exposed to environmental toxins while growing up. Now they have to carry epi pens with them or they might die from certain environmental hazards we all dealt w/easily.
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TrueTomHarley got a reaction from xero in Vaccine time
Back in the day when you got a vaccine it meant you didn’t catch the disease. It doesn’t mean that anymore, and people schooled in the old ways, like the guy in the third video, are having a hard time with the new definition.
To be sure, the flu vaccines, not the Covid ones, have already introduced the idea that you could get the shot with no benefit.
It does seem to me that the media is doing backflips to avoid stating the obvious: people are leaving the workforce where possible to avoid the mandates.
Just finished repackaging some remarks I first made here, (except for the Newsweek link, which was JWI) on gain-of-function. It is another term—they proliferate today—that one day nobody has ever heard of, and the next day is ubiquitous.
https://www.tomsheepandgoats.com/2021/11/gain-of-function-research-it-all-lies-in-the-definition.html
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TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Dmitar in CHINA: Fake News vs. Real News
This statement needs sourcing, both for and against.
This tool.
I have heard statements similar to Arauna’s, probably through Bitter Winter, but maybe some other avenue. ‘Throw it on the stack of things to check out’
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TrueTomHarley got a reaction from hgp in CHINA: Fake News vs. Real News
This statement needs sourcing, both for and against.
This tool.
I have heard statements similar to Arauna’s, probably through Bitter Winter, but maybe some other avenue. ‘Throw it on the stack of things to check out’
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TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Pudgy in CHINA: Fake News vs. Real News
He probably thinks that the Ukraine girls really do leave the West behind.
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TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Pudgy in CHINA: Fake News vs. Real News
Well…..what I do remember for absolute sure is Al Capp’s S,W.I.N.E (Students Wildly Indignant over Nearly Everything) members effusively greeting the Russian general as he strides on shore from his military transport ship. The first thing the general does is kick them all in their behinds, seemingly for the sheer reason that he is mean.
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TrueTomHarley got a reaction from JW Insider in CHINA: Fake News vs. Real News
Well…..what I do remember for absolute sure is Al Capp’s S,W.I.N.E (Students Wildly Indignant over Nearly Everything) members effusively greeting the Russian general as he strides on shore from his military transport ship. The first thing the general does is kick them all in their behinds, seemingly for the sheer reason that he is mean.
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TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Pudgy in CHINA: Fake News vs. Real News
This statement needs sourcing, both for and against.
This tool.
I have heard statements similar to Arauna’s, probably through Bitter Winter, but maybe some other avenue. ‘Throw it on the stack of things to check out’
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TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Space Merchant in Rare video footage of Judge Rutherford at Beth-Sarim San Diego CA.
Huh. A year or so ago I reviewed footage of the Tulsa riots. It surfaced in response to then-currant racial tensions, and it was new to me.
In the backdrop of city footage, there was a large billboard of Rutherford. Now I know why.
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TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Matthew9969 in Dear Librarian I have a JW neighbour who lets his dog to go out without any supervision. For what I see this dog goes in the streets looking for food. He must not feed him.Isn't this animal cruelty? How he can pretend to be a ministerial servant if he is
Nothing will get a decent person infuriated more than animal abuse. Maybe it’s quasi-instinctive. Our commission specifically is to care for all thing of the earth, have it in subjection. In animal abuse lies the most blatant trashing of that commission.
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TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Space Merchant in Dear Librarian I have a JW neighbour who lets his dog to go out without any supervision. For what I see this dog goes in the streets looking for food. He must not feed him.Isn't this animal cruelty? How he can pretend to be a ministerial servant if he is
Nothing will get a decent person infuriated more than animal abuse. Maybe it’s quasi-instinctive. Our commission specifically is to care for all thing of the earth, have it in subjection. In animal abuse lies the most blatant trashing of that commission.
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TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Pudgy in Dear Librarian I have a JW neighbour who lets his dog to go out without any supervision. For what I see this dog goes in the streets looking for food. He must not feed him.Isn't this animal cruelty? How he can pretend to be a ministerial servant if he is
Nothing will get a decent person infuriated more than animal abuse. Maybe it’s quasi-instinctive. Our commission specifically is to care for all thing of the earth, have it in subjection. In animal abuse lies the most blatant trashing of that commission.