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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Space Merchant in Dear Librarian I have a JW neighbour who lets his dog to go out without any supervision. For what I see this dog goes in the streets looking for food. He must not feed him.Isn't this animal cruelty? How he can pretend to be a ministerial servant if he is   
    Sigh….though it has nothing to do with anything in the thread, out of left field comes this gem from PSomH:
    “Neither the search nor the investigation produced any evidence that the Belgian Jehovah’s Witnesses had ever protected members accused of sexual abuse of minors by not reporting them to the police in violation of the Belgian rule of mandatory reporting.
    “….The Court of Brussels has now concluded that “there is no evidence” that the Jehovah’s Witnesses in Belgium violated the reporting obligation... Scholars of new religious movements have repeatedly warned that accusations by disgruntled former members should of course be examined, but cannot be considered like established facts, and their attitudes and motivations should also be considered.”
    https://bitterwinter.org/jehovahs-witnesses-win-important-case-in-belgium/
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Anna in Dear Librarian I have a JW neighbour who lets his dog to go out without any supervision. For what I see this dog goes in the streets looking for food. He must not feed him.Isn't this animal cruelty? How he can pretend to be a ministerial servant if he is   
    Sigh….though it has nothing to do with anything in the thread, out of left field comes this gem from PSomH:
    “Neither the search nor the investigation produced any evidence that the Belgian Jehovah’s Witnesses had ever protected members accused of sexual abuse of minors by not reporting them to the police in violation of the Belgian rule of mandatory reporting.
    “….The Court of Brussels has now concluded that “there is no evidence” that the Jehovah’s Witnesses in Belgium violated the reporting obligation... Scholars of new religious movements have repeatedly warned that accusations by disgruntled former members should of course be examined, but cannot be considered like established facts, and their attitudes and motivations should also be considered.”
    https://bitterwinter.org/jehovahs-witnesses-win-important-case-in-belgium/
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Dear Librarian I have a JW neighbour who lets his dog to go out without any supervision. For what I see this dog goes in the streets looking for food. He must not feed him.Isn't this animal cruelty? How he can pretend to be a ministerial servant if he is   
    Sigh….though it has nothing to do with anything in the thread, out of left field comes this gem from PSomH:
    “Neither the search nor the investigation produced any evidence that the Belgian Jehovah’s Witnesses had ever protected members accused of sexual abuse of minors by not reporting them to the police in violation of the Belgian rule of mandatory reporting.
    “….The Court of Brussels has now concluded that “there is no evidence” that the Jehovah’s Witnesses in Belgium violated the reporting obligation... Scholars of new religious movements have repeatedly warned that accusations by disgruntled former members should of course be examined, but cannot be considered like established facts, and their attitudes and motivations should also be considered.”
    https://bitterwinter.org/jehovahs-witnesses-win-important-case-in-belgium/
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Space Merchant in Rare video footage of Judge Rutherford at Beth-Sarim San Diego CA.   
    Huh. A year or so ago I reviewed footage of the Tulsa riots. It surfaced in response to then-currant racial tensions, and it was new to me.
    In the backdrop of city footage, there was a large billboard of Rutherford. Now I know why.
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    TrueTomHarley reacted to JW Insider in Rare video footage of Judge Rutherford at Beth-Sarim San Diego CA.   
    As you may have already known @Space Merchant there is a bit more context here:
    https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-study-october-2021/1921-One-Hundred-Years-Ago/
    On Tuesday, May 31, 1921, what came to be called the Tulsa Race Massacre erupted in Tulsa, Oklahoma, U.S.A., after a black man was jailed and charged with assaulting a white woman. When a mob of more than 1,000 white men clashed with a smaller group of black men, the fighting spread quickly to the black neighborhood of Greenwood, where more than 1,400 homes and businesses were looted and burned. The official death toll was 36, but the actual number may have been in the hundreds.
    Brother Richard J. Hill, a black Bible Student and resident of Greenwood, related what happened: “On the night of the riot, we had our Bible study class as usual. After the class was over, we heard shooting downtown. We went to bed listening to it.” By Wednesday morning, June 1, the situation had worsened. “Some folks came and stated that if we wanted protection, we had better go to Convention Hall at once.” So Brother Hill along with his wife and five children fled to Tulsa’s Convention Hall. There, an estimated 3,000 black men and women were housed by the National Guard, who had been called in to restore order.
    About the same time, Brother Arthur Claus, who was white, made a courageous decision. “When I heard that rioting squads were running about throughout Greenwood, looting and setting fire to homes, I decided to check on my dear friend, Brother Hill.”

    Using The Harp of God, Arthur Claus taught a study class of 14 children
    Arriving at Brother Hill’s home, he encountered a white neighbor holding a rifle. The neighbor, also a friend of Brother Hill’s, assumed that Arthur was one of the rioters. “Why are you in this man’s yard?” he shouted.
    “Had I given him an unsatisfactory answer, he would have shot me,” Arthur recalled. “I assured him that I was Brother Hill’s friend and that I had been to his home many times.” Arthur and the neighbor successfully protected the property against the looters.
    Soon Arthur discovered that Brother Hill and his family were at Convention Hall. Arthur was told that black people could not leave there without an order signed by General Barrett, the officer in charge. Arthur related: “It was a real task to get to see the general. When I told him my plans, he asked: ‘Will you watch over this family and take care of their needs?’ Naturally, I heartily agreed.”
    With the order in hand, Arthur rushed to Convention Hall. He presented it to an officer who exclaimed: “Why, this is signed by the general himself! Do you know that you are the first person to take anyone from this place all day?” Brother Hill and his family were soon located. All of them crowded into Arthur’s car and headed home.
    “All of us stood equal among God’s dedicated people”
    Brother Claus made sure that Brother Hill and his family were safe. His example of fearless brotherhood had a good effect on others. Arthur related: “The neighbor who helped protect the Hill’s property drew closer to the truth. And a number of people got interested in the Kingdom because they saw that there were no racial barriers, that all of us stood equal among God’s dedicated people.”
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    TrueTomHarley reacted to JW Insider in Rare video footage of Judge Rutherford at Beth-Sarim San Diego CA.   
    A blogger here has a picture of Sister Claus where apparently her husband is obscured in the photo.
    (Not important to this topic, but I was baptized in Tulsa in 1967, and got bit by a dog while out in door-to-door service there. (Age 10.) Somehow, the police showed up almost instantly, and I remember my brother and I talking the police out of calling animal services to have the animal put down. The householder was crying because the police were insistent.) 
    http://reddirtimports.blogspot.com/2012/04/is-that-poster-of-judge-rutherford.html
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-IP7rvcl80So/T2ar7XDsyjI/AAAAAAAAABc/qAVbljkWR1I/s760/South%2BUnit.jpg
    The other pictures include an article from a Tulsa paper advertising Rutherford's speech which (as @Space Merchant already mentioned) had actually happened on Monday, just prior to the major part of the riot. Notice as an aside that Tulsa had a population of 70,000 and it was promised that "thousands" of persons from Tulsa, if they lived another 4 years, would never die.  (Larger cities like Pittsburgh were given "tens of thousands" and even larger cities like NYC were given "hundreds of thousands.)



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    TrueTomHarley reacted to Arauna in Millions Now Living Will Never Die! by J.F. Rutherford ??????????? A few questions.   
    I was thinking:  young men who arrived in Babylon during the first group of EXILES were about 15 years old... they were educated and lived in Babylon...... many of them (except Daniel) had died out during the 70 years of exile.... 
    Many of the EXILED generation were born and died in Babylon and many of them were born (let us say) ten years before the return to Jerusalem with their parents. Due to their different overlapping  ages,   their experiences regarding the exile were different BUT they were still living in the EXilic generation. The new age groups learnt about their homeland and temple from their parents and listened to stories from their grandfathers about Jerusalem and true worship of Jehovah at the temple.  This created a longing to go back in the new age groups. 
    The EXILES returned home to Jerusalem - a home they had never seen !  They instituted  pure worship after rebuilding the temple  Were they called EXILES from Babylon? Yes.  Did they view themselves as exiles in Babylon - even if they were born there? Yes. BUT THEY WERE NOT THE ORIGINAL EXILES......... THEY WERE PART OF THE OVERLAPPING GENERATION (THE DIFFERENT AGES) WHO MADE UP THE GENERATION who experienced different parts of the exile AND  WERE CALLED EXILES! 
    Someone who reads a lot of history understand this concept very well..... but many people do not read history. This is why we also speak of empires. Empires can last hundreds of years with a certain dynasty ruling..... but this empire usually has many individual rulers. The PERIOD is clumped together because the time is defined by many similar characteristics! And one dynasty ruling.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from hgp in KAZAKHSTAN: Plagiarised "expert analysis", Jehovah's Witnesses to pay over 3 years' wages   
    It’s kind of like when the chief nurse at the group home asked me if it was really so that overnight employees slept on the job. (A major no-no.)
    I replied that I had never actually seen one sleep on the job but I had many times seen them engage in activity that so closely resembled sleep that only a trained expert could tell the difference.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Millions Now Living Will Never Die! by J.F. Rutherford ??????????? A few questions.   
    I think it’s a little too soon to tell.
  10. Haha
    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Millions Now Living Will Never Die! by J.F. Rutherford ??????????? A few questions.   
    I think it’s a little too soon to tell.
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    TrueTomHarley reacted to JW Insider in Millions Now Living Will Never Die! by J.F. Rutherford ??????????? A few questions.   
    Sure. The official standpoint is found on jw.org under these headings, below. No one repeats the idea of 99.9% anymore. There is no new number to replace it, except for several [welcome] admissions that we just don't know, and it's not up to us, since we are not the judge:
    Do Jehovah’s Witnesses Believe That They Have the One True Religion? Did Jesus say there are many roads leading to salvation?
    Do Jehovah’s Witnesses Feel That They Are the Only People Who Will Be Saved? The Bible explains who have the opportunity for salvation.
    Are Jehovah’s Witnesses Tolerant of Other Religions? Learn how tolerance identifies true Christians.
    Each of those short articles points to several longer articles that go into the topics a bit further.
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    TrueTomHarley reacted to JW Insider in Jehovah’s Witness | OPEN , Interview with JW Spokesman Robert Hendriks   
    I like this way of putting it. Of course, we know it's possible for us to stumble others, which is likened to causing spiritual death, but each one of us stands or falls on our own. In fact, it was in the context of doctrinal disagreements which could potentially result in stumbling others where Paul was still able to say:
    (Romans 14:4) . . .To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for Jehovah can make him stand.
    People can come into an association with our Christian brotherhood for all the wrong reasons, and never develop a true personal love for Jesus and Jehovah, but this doesn't mean that anyone should claim it was negative experiences in the organization that killed them spirituality. That would negate another of Paul's statements.
    (Romans 8:37-39) For I am convinced that neither death nor life nor angels nor governments nor things now here nor things to come nor powers 39 nor height nor depth nor any other creation will be able to separate us from God’s love that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Pudgy in KAZAKHSTAN: Plagiarised "expert analysis", Jehovah's Witnesses to pay over 3 years' wages   
    “Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal. Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to ….um….yes, Patiently Sitting on my Hands, what is it?”
  14. Haha
    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from JW Insider in Millions Now Living Will Never Die! by J.F. Rutherford ??????????? A few questions.   
    I would also draw Patiently’s attention to the full-blown nudity displayed right on the cover. How shocking!
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Pudgy in Millions Now Living Will Never Die! by J.F. Rutherford ??????????? A few questions.   
    Because they’ve had 100 years to refine. Others weren’t doing much of anything back then beyond running the trinitarian/hellfire route.
    If you have to go back 100 years to dig up dirt, there can’t be too much dirt to dig.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Pudgy in Millions Now Living Will Never Die! by J.F. Rutherford ??????????? A few questions.   
    When time travel is invented, retro-police will give a friendly wave to American slaveholding forefathers and they race back through the eons to haul the real villains, the Ancient Greek pedophiles, back in leg irons
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Arauna in Millions Now Living Will Never Die! by J.F. Rutherford ??????????? A few questions.   
    Because they’ve had 100 years to refine. Others weren’t doing much of anything back then beyond running the trinitarian/hellfire route.
    If you have to go back 100 years to dig up dirt, there can’t be too much dirt to dig.
  18. Haha
    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Arauna in Millions Now Living Will Never Die! by J.F. Rutherford ??????????? A few questions.   
    I would also draw Patiently’s attention to the full-blown nudity displayed right on the cover. How shocking!
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Arauna in Millions Now Living Will Never Die! by J.F. Rutherford ??????????? A few questions.   
    There is a lie right within the question, a recent speaker pointed out, and it is a purposeful lie:
    “Did God really say that you must not eat from every tree of the garden?” 
    to implant the idea of, “Wow, he won’t let you guys do anything!”
    The modern day equivalent would be to carry on about how the guard rails of the highway are more like a strait jacket.
  20. Haha
    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Millions Now Living Will Never Die! by J.F. Rutherford ??????????? A few questions.   
    Because they’ve had 100 years to refine. Others weren’t doing much of anything back then beyond running the trinitarian/hellfire route.
    If you have to go back 100 years to dig up dirt, there can’t be too much dirt to dig.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Dmitar in Millions Now Living Will Never Die! by J.F. Rutherford ??????????? A few questions.   
    I would also draw Patiently’s attention to the full-blown nudity displayed right on the cover. How shocking!
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Dmitar in Millions Now Living Will Never Die! by J.F. Rutherford ??????????? A few questions.   
    Ask him if a hint is to be found in the contemporary dexter ad: “We dye for the millions now living who will never dye.”
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from hgp in Millions Now Living Will Never Die! by J.F. Rutherford ??????????? A few questions.   
    Tell it to Merriam Webster: 
    Definition of association
    2: an organization of persons having a common interest :     https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/association  (bolding mine)
    The words are synonymous. Nothing to get all worked up over. You haven’t discovered the smoking gun. Sheesh.
    Pestilential as Srecko may be, he does not make such ridiculous statements. He makes other ridiculous statements.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Anna in Millions Now Living Will Never Die! by J.F. Rutherford ??????????? A few questions.   
    Ask him if a hint is to be found in the contemporary dexter ad: “We dye for the millions now living who will never dye.”
  25. Haha
    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Anna in Millions Now Living Will Never Die! by J.F. Rutherford ??????????? A few questions.   
    I think Patiently Sitting on his Hands could find a scandal in a Witness phone directory.
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