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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Conscience individual and collective   
    Long ago I was on a committee to explore building a new Kingdom Hall. A brother as you describe, also on the committee, carried on and on about how we would put a baby changing table in the men’s room! Why should it be just sisters who have to change the infant? Times were changing! Equal work for all! And it was not just work, it was part of the privilege of rearing children—spread the joys and the drudgery evenly! It shouldn’t only be the sisters who have to.....” He discussed brands, the fold=down type, which were sormewhat new at the time. On and on he went, so enthusiastic.
    For crying out loud, we hadn’t even located land yet!
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Conscience individual and collective   
    This final sentence should have ended with a question mark but did not. 
    I’m stumbled.
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    TrueTomHarley reacted to JW Insider in Physical attendance at meetings/assemblies and "Zoom" attendance   
    As an aside, here, I keep hearing more talk that the WTS is transitioning to no more KH at all, just assembly halls and larger conventions perhaps. It's not just us, but churches, too, have spoken about the success they have had with Zoom in terms of attendance. I fear that it would be a losing decision about the KH's if this rumor is true, but attendance numbers on Zoom have normalized and even risen for some churches.
    For us, I fear that less physical gathering would result in more drifting, too much video content, less local participation and enthusiasm. Even --dare I say it?-- more marriages to unbelieving mates!
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Anna in Conscience individual and collective   
    Long ago I was on a committee to explore building a new Kingdom Hall. A brother as you describe, also on the committee, carried on and on about how we would put a baby changing table in the men’s room! Why should it be just sisters who have to change the infant? Times were changing! Equal work for all! And it was not just work, it was part of the privilege of rearing children—spread the joys and the drudgery evenly! It shouldn’t only be the sisters who have to.....” He discussed brands, the fold=down type, which were sormewhat new at the time. On and on he went, so enthusiastic.
    For crying out loud, we hadn’t even located land yet!
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Anna in Conscience individual and collective   
    This final sentence should have ended with a question mark but did not. 
    I’m stumbled.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Anna in Conscience individual and collective   
    Finally you are talking sense.
    I am starting to foam at the mouth all over again.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Conscience individual and collective   
    Finally you are talking sense.
    I am starting to foam at the mouth all over again.
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    TrueTomHarley reacted to JW Insider in Conscience individual and collective   
    You accuse yourself. CC is right about the insinuation. You insinuated that someone committed a heinous crime, but without any basis or evidence. That's a lot different than insulting someone or accusing them of doing stupid things.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from César Chávez in Conscience individual and collective   
    Well, you have a point there. That remark didn’t make any sense to me at all. I rolled my eyes and scrolled on.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Conscience individual and collective   
    Exactly. I have this is the metadata of TrueTom vs the Apostates:
    Apostates of that time would “despise authority.” How could that become a problem unless there was authority? They loved “lawlessness.” How could that become a problem unless there was law? They favored acts of “brazen conduct,” had “eyes full of adultery,” and were “unable to desist from sin.” How could that become a problem unless there was someone to tell them that they could not carry on in that way? Not only is the nature of apostates revealed in the above Bible verses, but also the nature of the Christian organization. 
    If apostates were huge in the first century, and they were, they should correspondingly be huge today. And they are. In our “apostates” we are validated. It is almost as though I am proud of ours.
    What if modern day JWs had no apostates? Wouldn’t you have to wonder why?
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Conscience individual and collective   
    I have no idea how he conducted himself later in life. Nor have I read either of his books. Doesn’t that make me less “apostate” than you?
     
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from xero in Conscience individual and collective   
    Exactly. I have this is the metadata of TrueTom vs the Apostates:
    Apostates of that time would “despise authority.” How could that become a problem unless there was authority? They loved “lawlessness.” How could that become a problem unless there was law? They favored acts of “brazen conduct,” had “eyes full of adultery,” and were “unable to desist from sin.” How could that become a problem unless there was someone to tell them that they could not carry on in that way? Not only is the nature of apostates revealed in the above Bible verses, but also the nature of the Christian organization. 
    If apostates were huge in the first century, and they were, they should correspondingly be huge today. And they are. In our “apostates” we are validated. It is almost as though I am proud of ours.
    What if modern day JWs had no apostates? Wouldn’t you have to wonder why?
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Conscience individual and collective   
    Why would this be?
    This is because it constitutes art fraud in the manner you use them. I wipe the phony pigment from your application and I see the painting of the cigar-smoking dogs at the poker table.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Conscience individual and collective   
    No. As measured by the number of doors they have knocked on over the course of a lifetime, each one in order to present the good news of God. Some of your “true anointed” have barely knocked on any.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from xero in Conscience individual and collective   
    Why would this be?
    This is because it constitutes art fraud in the manner you use them. I wipe the phony pigment from your application and I see the painting of the cigar-smoking dogs at the poker table.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from xero in Conscience individual and collective   
    No. As measured by the number of doors they have knocked on over the course of a lifetime, each one in order to present the good news of God. Some of your “true anointed” have barely knocked on any.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Conscience individual and collective   
    The point is that all you have to do to be ‘anointed’ is to say that you are. 
    1 Corinthians 14:33 has it all backwards in that event—if anyone can stand up, say “I’m anointed,” and thereby command authority.
    “For God is [a God], not of disorder, but of peace.” Switch it around assuming teaching capacity over others is so easily done. “God is not a God of peace, but of disorder,” better fits this new scenario.
    Do I know that he is anointed? No, of course not. But I don’t know that of anyone, least of all you, who so immodestly terms yourself a “genuine anointed.”
    At least with him, I can see many decades of full-time service, making it unlikely, after such sacred service, that he would lie. But with you? I see a Facebook page, and three or four bitter diatribes per day at those who you accuse of upstaging you and your cohorts.
     
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Conscience individual and collective   
    It will show through when I begin offering True Anointed sweatshirts on my website.
    It is a phrase completely of your own devising. Even your fellow yo-yos have not used it. The more you repeat it, with your expectations of how it comes along just in the nick of time to save the day, the more ridiculous it sounds. 
    Don’t get me going on this. Already I can picture a fellow lounging on the beach, relaxing, enjoying himself through and through, not doing a thing, with the logo: “Chill, man, I’m waiting for the True Anointed.”
    I have never heard anyone use the expression but you.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Thinking in Conscience individual and collective   
    I couldn’t stand JTR when I first came across him. But as he yielded ever so slightly, and then substantially, before he crashed and burned over other issues, I came to like him.
    In some ways, he was like you, only not hypocritical. He seems to have more or less behaved himself in whatever congregation he attended, but did not hide the fact that he had non-conforming views on many things. He acted ugly here, but less so than you. He certainly did not display abuse for individuals, as you routinely do. It is the overall organization he took issue with—bad, maybe, but not hypocritical.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from xero in Conscience individual and collective   
    The point is that all you have to do to be ‘anointed’ is to say that you are. 
    1 Corinthians 14:33 has it all backwards in that event—if anyone can stand up, say “I’m anointed,” and thereby command authority.
    “For God is [a God], not of disorder, but of peace.” Switch it around assuming teaching capacity over others is so easily done. “God is not a God of peace, but of disorder,” better fits this new scenario.
    Do I know that he is anointed? No, of course not. But I don’t know that of anyone, least of all you, who so immodestly terms yourself a “genuine anointed.”
    At least with him, I can see many decades of full-time service, making it unlikely, after such sacred service, that he would lie. But with you? I see a Facebook page, and three or four bitter diatribes per day at those who you accuse of upstaging you and your cohorts.
     
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from xero in Conscience individual and collective   
    It will show through when I begin offering True Anointed sweatshirts on my website.
    It is a phrase completely of your own devising. Even your fellow yo-yos have not used it. The more you repeat it, with your expectations of how it comes along just in the nick of time to save the day, the more ridiculous it sounds. 
    Don’t get me going on this. Already I can picture a fellow lounging on the beach, relaxing, enjoying himself through and through, not doing a thing, with the logo: “Chill, man, I’m waiting for the True Anointed.”
    I have never heard anyone use the expression but you.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Conscience individual and collective   
    JWs do not fret about these things as much as you may think. You are not the center of their universe.
    If you want to leave a place of Bible education and religious unity for a place where any huckster might say anything, there is only so long your fellow congregation members will cry about it. They do not remember you as the One Who Flew Over the Cookoo’s nest. 
    After all, it was not me who asked you about pedophilia/vs homosexuality in the scriptures, was it? Any JW could have put their finger on that information quickly. They would not be bamboozled by what bamboozled your son—gay “Christian” revisionists attempting to redefine scripture to back up their lifestyle. 
    Does it bother you that you have put yourself in a place where scriptural answers are so intertwined with garbage that for all practical purposes they cannot be found? It doesn’t seem to. You kick the can down the road with expectations that the True Anointed will explain it all. That being the case, I don’t know why you ever expound upon anything. Just wait for the True Anointed to tell you what’s what.
    “Then the Master said to the third slave, “and what have you been doing?” and the third slave replied, “Nothing! I was waiting for the True Anointed! What took you so long to send him?”
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Conscience individual and collective   
    Viola! You have discovered my reason for being here! 
    Look before you came along, of course, I mean, you are not among them. Many aren’t.
    But many are.
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    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from xero in Conscience individual and collective   
    JWs do not fret about these things as much as you may think. You are not the center of their universe.
    If you want to leave a place of Bible education and religious unity for a place where any huckster might say anything, there is only so long your fellow congregation members will cry about it. They do not remember you as the One Who Flew Over the Cookoo’s nest. 
    After all, it was not me who asked you about pedophilia/vs homosexuality in the scriptures, was it? Any JW could have put their finger on that information quickly. They would not be bamboozled by what bamboozled your son—gay “Christian” revisionists attempting to redefine scripture to back up their lifestyle. 
    Does it bother you that you have put yourself in a place where scriptural answers are so intertwined with garbage that for all practical purposes they cannot be found? It doesn’t seem to. You kick the can down the road with expectations that the True Anointed will explain it all. That being the case, I don’t know why you ever expound upon anything. Just wait for the True Anointed to tell you what’s what.
    “Then the Master said to the third slave, “and what have you been doing?” and the third slave replied, “Nothing! I was waiting for the True Anointed! What took you so long to send him?”
  25. Haha
    TrueTomHarley got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Conscience individual and collective   
    @PudgyHe also came across as damaged, but never hateful. He didn’t forgive, but at the same time he lauded almost brothers as upright and honorable. In the end, I think he came to forgive even those ones he thought were not—individually, if not collectively, and maybe even collectively..
    He is an example of Proverbs 19:3 - It is the foolishness of an earthling man that distorts his way, and so his heart becomes enraged against Jehovah himself.
    And yet, not entirely, because he felt it was the organization that had run him over roughshod, not Jehovah. It calls to mind a statement of the Memorial speaker, a circuit overseer, in the talk I linked to above and will so again because it fits. (Oh, wait—I didn’t put it in the post, but he did say it)—he said it later, in the ‘men—what should we do?’ concluding section...wait, I’ll insert it): “If you’ve been hurt, and you know that you shouldn’t have been, but deep down inside you know it wasn’t Jehovah...”
    https://www.tomsheepandgoats.com/2021/03/object-lessons-at-the-memorial-talk.html
    People get hurt. It is what happens in any large assembly of people. Most humans handle matters in the Abraham/Lot manner: “you go this way and I’ll go that way.” JWs continue to bond together as a family, however I note that two separate circuit overseers have recently used such expressions as: “one large, happy, united, somewhat dysfunctional, family.” Nobody in the faith for any amount of time would ever say that we are not. But the entire human family is dysfunctional, and the Witness organization strives to address it, overcome it, and has succeeded to a far greater degree than most.
     
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