1975 and the Jehovah's Witnesses

[Anna]

11 minutes ago, Anna said:

I will have to dig this Awake up and look at its contents...

Ooooh, second paragraph; "It's a murder epidemic" declared a Negro student in Atlanta".

LOL

Some things have changed, yet others haven't. It's like reading today's news. No wonder some say " Why,.......... all things are continuing exactly as they were......."

Page 12/13/14: "A crucial question now arises: Is there any indication in God's timetable as to how much time there is left before this system of things comes to its end? Can we know how many more years remain for this violent system of things? The fact that fifty-four years of the period called the "last days" have already gone is highly significant. It means that only a few years, at most, remain before the corrupt system of things dominating the earth is destroyed by God. How can we be so certain of this? (ouch). One way is by noting what Jesus said when he gave his great prophesy about the "last days". After he listed the many events that would mark this period, he also stated: " Truly I say to you that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur Matt 24:34. Jesus was obviously (ouch) speaking about those who were old enough to witness with understanding what took place when the "last days" began."  And then it goes into calculating that a 15 year old in 1914 would now be nearly 70 years old. "And remember Jesus said that the end of this wicked world would come before that generation passed away in death. This of itself, tells us that the years left before the foretold end comes cannot be many" Then it goes into calculating the 6000/1975 years etc.  "does this mean that the above evidence positively points to 1975 as the time for the complete and of this system of things? Since the Bible does not specifically state this, no man can say. However, of this we can be sure: the 1970's will certainly see the most critical times mankind has yet known..........If the 1970's should see the intervention by Jehovah God to bring an end to a corrupt world drifting towards ultimate disintegration, that should surely not surprise us"

 

 

 

 

[Anna]

9 hours ago, JW Insider said:

I was concerned when the GB brought up the topic of 1975 again earlier this year, and think that it was a great error to try to dismiss it by implying that it came from the unauthorized speculation of individuals in the "rank and file" as the GB sometimes have called us.

Maybe we could all explore that VIDEO too. Was that really what it was about, or was there another reason for it?  (I have the convention downloaded on my PC, but I don't know how to cut out just the video part....or is it somewhere on the website now?)

[Anna]

40 minutes ago, tromboneck said:

this generation" is NOT the so-called first group. "This generation" includes both the first group AND the second group.

Not according to that Awake 1968, page 13/14 Quote:  "One way is by noting what Jesus said when he gave his great prophesy about the "last days". After he listed the many events that would mark this period, he also stated: " Truly I say to you that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur Matt 24:34. Jesus was obviously speaking about those who were old enough to witness with understanding what took place when the "last days" began.  Jesus was saying that some of those persons who were alive at the appearance of the 'sign of the last days' would still be alive when God brought this system to its end. Even if we presume that youngsters 15vyears of age would be perceptive enough to realize the import of what happened in 1914, it would still make the youngest of "this generation" nearly 70 years old today (in 1968) So the great majority of the generation to what Jesus was referring has already passed away in death. the remaining ones are approaching old age. "And remember Jesus said that the end of this wicked world would come before that generation passed away in death". end of quote

So this is the first group, and like you said, the first group is dead

[TrueTomHarley]

1 hour ago, JW Insider said:

the Watch Tower has now broken the Biblical rules about date-setting regarding several different time periods: 1881, 1910, 1914, 1915, 1918, 1925, 1940, 1941, 1942, 1970's, 1999/2000.

The last one, listed as 1999/2000, might sound confusing. Here's how it was worded in the Ezekiel book, back in 1971:

This makes no sense to me. If it was published in 1971, how does it become a 1999/2000 issue? It would be a  1999/2000 issue if it was published at that time. It belongs to the 1970's which you've already logged. Strike 1999/2000.

Plot your remaining numbers on a graph. No finer evidence will emerge of how we have improved over time. All bunched up at the beginning. Nothing for 40 years. The chart would be the envy of any quality control group.

[Foreigner]

If one seizes the moment, we can see that every generation has the opportunity to pass on the knowledge of Jehovah until the time of the end…

 

 

Watchtower 10/15/1969 p.614 par.7

⁷ “I have taken an oath today in the presence of God and my countrymen, to uphold and to defend the Constitution of the United States. To that oath, I now add this sacred commitment: I shall consecrate my office, my energies and all the wisdom I can summon to the cause of peace. . . . The greatest honor history can bestow is the title of peacemaker. This honor now beckons America—the chance to help lead the world at last out of the valley of turmoil and on to that high ground of peace that man has dreamed of since the dawn of civilization. If we succeed generations to come will say of us now living that we mastered our moment, that we helped make the world safe for mankind. . . . Our destiny offers not the cup of despair, but the chalice of opportunity. So let us seize it, not in fear, but in gladness—and ‘riders on the earth together,’ let us go forward, firm in our faith, steadfast in our purpose, cautious of the dangers, but sustained by our confidence in the will of God and the promise of man.”—New York Times, January 21, 1969.

[DespicableME]

40 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

This makes no sense to me. If it was published in 1971, how does it become a 1999/2000 issue? It would be a  1999/2000 issue if it was published at that time. It belongs to the 1970's which you've already logged. Strike 1999/2000.

Plot your remaining numbers on a graph. No finer evidence will emerge of how we have improved over time. All bunched up at the beginning. Nothing for 40 years. The chart would be the envy of any quality control group.

LOL!!!

1880

By 1880 all the signs of the end were said to have started, great earthquakes, war, pestilence, bad behaviour of people and so forth.

"A "generation" might be reckoned as equivalent to a century (practically the present limit) or one hundred and twenty years, Moses' lifetime and the Scripture limit. (Gen. 6:3.) Reckoning a hundred years from 1780, the date of the first sign, the limit would reach to 1880; and, to our understanding, every item predicted had begun to be fulfilled at that date;-the "harvest" or gathering time beginning October 1874; the organization of the Kingdom and the taking by our Lord of his great power as the King in April 1878, and the time of trouble or "day of wrath" which began October 1874, and will cease about 1915; and the sprouting of the fig tree." Studies in the Scriptures Series IV - The Day of Vengeance p.604

The exact opposite is now stated. You Can Live Forever In Paradise on Earth claims that the time before 1914 was a period of peace, and it was not until 1914 that all these signs of the last days started to be fulfilled.

"Yet what were prominent world leaders foretelling just before 1914? They were saying that conditions promising world peace were never more favourable. Yet the terrible troubles the Bible foretold began right on time, in 1914!" You Can Live

Better!!!!!!! LOL!!!

[Witness]

7 minutes ago, DespicableME said:

Ironic, considering the Watchtower specifically said the end would come in 1914 and then 1925. This section demonstrated over 20 "messages" promoted by the Watchtower for decades that turned out not to be "true." What does this prove about them as messengers and prophets ?

"And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts;  knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit. 2 Pet 1:19-21

What does the list of "messages" prove? The source of the messages are not from holy men moved by the Holy Spirit.  

[TrueTomHarley]

 

16 minutes ago, DespicableME said:

LOL!!!

Come come. What - do you seriously expect someone is going to plow through a comment that long? Do you think people are MADE of time, with nothing else going on in their lives?

I counted. It is 22 complete screenshots! Even JWI would not impose upon readers such a barge.

Apparently, it is intended as an answer to me. Distill it, would you please?

[DespicableME]

7 minutes ago, Witness said:

What does the list of "messages" prove? The source of the messages are not from holy men moved by the Holy Spirit.

LOL!!! I got the info from an opposing site. I would have to say, that those who oppose this church do a lot of speculating. But what is interesting to me, that some information is not in agreement with the discussion being made.

[DespicableME]

Just now, TrueTomHarley said:

Apparently, it is intended as an answer to me. Distill it, would you please?

LOL!!!!

https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/1800s.php

[TrueTomHarley]

1 minute ago, DespicableME said:

LOL!!!!

Forgive me for blowing it off. Now that I can see it has actually been published on a website, I am much more impressed.

[AnonymousBrother]

And the beat goes on . . .