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[Matthew9969]

From that article it would seem the governing body already knows most of their congregants have mental issue's.

[The Librarian]

I like tacos

[Matthew9969]

Some jw's don't mind their governing body talking down about them. Not a very christian attitude the governing body has towards their congregants.

[Arauna]

I have been reading a bit of psychology and have watched some videos on philosophy etc. regarding the human condition.  Most psychologists/philosophers worth their salt (doing research at university - an know what they are doing - because there are not many),  know that the human condition is not flawed but downright malevolent - yes malevolent. (No man has not sinned).

They will quote the mass killings in recent human history (and 20th century) and all the deviations going on around us, to prove how bad the human condition actually is.  Some predict that we are now entering the worst time in human history - an end to human civilization as we know it.  Some say that an attachment to Christian-Judeo values has kept mankind from the most debased practices and given us some human rights - but now with post-modernism philosophy all objective values of right and wrong are being thrown out together with the Bible and everything it stands for. Debased practices will openly become part of the human condition soon....... and one can see that as a moral society we are going down fast.

To think that Witnesses are above this debased state is silly.  It is our education in Jehovah's ways that have dignified us somewhat. This is why we are warned to wage constant war against our own inclinations by Paul and other bible writers, who wrote under inspiration. We are all unbalanced, debased and in a sorry state - to think otherwise is to bamboozle yourself.  So we all have something mentally unbalanced somewhere - just depends on the degree. Sin and all the other things going on in this system is crouching at our door - all the time.  Just depends if we let it in.

However, when we lift ourselves out of this condition and try very hard to obey Jehovah with all effort, then we can get his approval and a measure of his spirit - if we humble ourselves to ask for it. When we maintain our relationship with Jehovah then we can uplift ourselves and this in turn positivizes us, makes us aware that we need to show compassion and take care of each other tenderly. These qualities we develop gives us dignity and of course the promises of future blessings gives us hope... and yes - it is something to smile about when we share it with others.

So when we start with any form of deviant behavior (away from Jehovah) then we become a wild card. What will come out of it we ourselves do not even know - like the waves of the sea being thrown hither and tither.  So this is why it is important to stay close to Jehovah by regularly reading his word and listening to the warnings of the slave - even if it does look like they are talking down to us.... Staying away from porn, bad movies etc. elevates us and helps us to stay a little more balanced in an increasingly deviant world.

The human condition is so dire and seriously sick that we all should be very afraid to go there.

 

 

 

[Matthew9969]

14 hours ago, Nana Fofana said:

  "Or even" mental or emotional imbalances they said "could be" involved IF someone thinks they're  of the anointed but is mistaken to think this, didn't they say ? [didn't go back to read] 

My interpretation is that of the tiny percentage who partake {I don't think anyone ever has at a Memorial I've attended, though up to 2000 present at a couple of them}  some could mistakenly feel they are anointed, though in reality they are not, and if so, some subset of that group  could conceivably be influenced in their mistaken impression by mental or emotional imbalances.

Since they keep a count of partakers [right?] , they feel a responsibility to acknowledge their count may not be absolutely accurate, i.e., may not signify how many anointed are 'left' on earth. 

The Bible doesn't indicate how many will be left and "sealed" just before the "great tribulation"  anyway, that I know of [?], so maybe any intended implication that it's 'awkward' for org., and requiring they 'scramble' to explain 'inappropriate' numbers  could be a product of an over-imaginative tendency , and that itself possibly due to a mental or emotional imbalance on the part of an ex/anti jw or other opposer. 

 Since ex/anti Jws  and other opposers are not Jehovah's witnesses, they are at least three times more likely to suffer from mental health problems as are Jehovah's witnesses, studies have shown. 

I would really love to see that article or study.

[TrueTomHarley]

21 hours ago, Matthew9969 said:

I would really love to see that article or study.

I believe you just did. It is the Question from Readers you brought up yourself  and misread a point perfectly obvious to everyone else. Some mistakenly think they have the calling because they are nuts - what's so hard about that? Nobody is saying who is who.

Lest anyone think I ridicule people, let me say that I am not opposed to nuts. Many are nuts here. I am nuts. One man's nuts is another man's eccentric. I don't care to sort it out and don't know if I could if I wanted to. What I do know is that our nuts are harmless. With the world's nuts, you'd better buy a bullet-proof vest.

@James Thomas Rook Jr. will know, if he can extract his face from out of a turkey, that I am very much opposed to those misreading points.

 

[Srecko Sostar]

16 hours ago, Nana Fofana said:

My interpretation is that of the tiny percentage who partake {I don't think anyone ever has at a Memorial I've attended, though up to 2000 present at a couple of them}  some could mistakenly feel they are anointed...

"My interpretation is that" ..... how is very speculative and without of any  Bible based fact  and support. Statements and opinions came from GB and some of people here agree with such manipulative message in WT magazines. 

"past religious beliefs, even mental and emotional imbalance", GB quote.

How shameful statement came from "guardians of doctrine" who also claims the same - that they are "anointed"! :)))))) with what issue of those that they numbered (or some more then this), counted in Questions from readers they faced but can't see in mirror. (you know what is mirror? i hope you do :)))    

[Arauna]

I came to Sweden this year and one of the  very young (baptized) immigrants partook.  She had a little daughter.. Her behavior was very immature - so I had my doubts and did not verbalize it - but realized she needed some guidance and help, not censure.

Sometimes people do have issues without realizing it.  .. so we should not be judgmental. While the GB acknowledges this may be the case with some people, I have never seen them condemn someone for stopping to partake. There are people who realize they have made a mistake.

in any case, it is a personal matter and we cannot expect anointed to be without flaws - most have quite visible ones and they need our support.  The other side of the coin is that Jehovah will never choose anyone whom he does not think can remain faithful to the end. (He does not set anyone up for failure but chooses spiritually mature people who have been through the mill),

The anointed must be very careful because they do not want to be one of those ten virgins (illustration) who did not have enough oil in her lamp to keep shining until the final sealing and bridegrooms arrival.

 

[TrueTomHarley]

18 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

"My interpretation is that" ..... how is very speculative and without of any  Bible based fact  and support. Statements and opinions came from GB and some of people here agree with such manipulative message in WT magazines. 

Yeah, @Nana Fofana, excellent point Srecko makes here! Why can't you quote any scriptures about what is happening 2000 years after they were written, hmm?

For that matter, where is the scripture saying you can call yourself Nana on the internet? Srecko is very wise. Don't think you can slip anything past him.

[Matthew9969]

21 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

I believe you just did. It is the Question from Readers you brought up yourself  and misread a point perfectly obvious to everyone else. Some mistakenly think they have the calling because they are nuts - what's so hard about that? Nobody is saying who is who.

Lest anyone think I ridicule people, let me say that I am not opposed to nuts. Many are nuts here. I am nuts. One man's nuts is another man's eccentric. I don't care to sort it out and don't know if I could if I wanted to. What I do know is that our nuts are harmless. With the world's nuts, you'd better buy a bullet-proof vest.

@James Thomas Rook Jr. will know, if he can extract his face from out of a turkey, that I am very much opposed to those misreading points.

 

 Since ex/anti Jws  and other opposers are not Jehovah's witnesses, they are at least three times more likely to suffer from mental health problems as are Jehovah's witnesses, studies have shown. 

Perhaps you can provide the study to back this statement up?

 

[TrueTomHarley]

40 minutes ago, Matthew9969 said:

Perhaps you can provide the study to back this statement up?

It is someone else's point. Let them rise to the occasion if there is one.

[Srecko Sostar]

2 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Why can't you quote any scriptures about....

Dear Tom. WT article "Question..." we have had read above under subheading "Memorial partakers" also doesn't have any Scripture to support WT idea of "crazy anointed people". They only quoted Rev. 7:1-3 and those verses told nothing about "mental and emotional imbalanced or past religious beliefs". Please Tom read more careful WT articles, and then you would not asking me to provide scriptures about GB IDEA, that is or that is not part of Holy Scripture. 

But I will you provide some scripture, instead of your GB elders, about real reason why some "anointed" is NOT anointed ANY more. Read carefully:

The Vine and the Branches

15 “I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. 2 He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes[a] so that it will be even more fruitful. 3 You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. 4 Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.

5 “I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6 If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. 7 If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. 8 This is to my Father’s glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples.

CONCLUSION: PERSON CAN BE MENTALLY OR EMOTIONALLY IMBALANCED BUT IF HE/SHE BEARS FRUIT AND REMAIN IN JESUS - HE/SHE IS ANOINTED, NO MATTER OF SO CALLED REASON OR LOGIC WT GB GIVING AS EXPLANATION.