The Source of JW Persecution in Russia

[Anna]

2 hours ago, AllenSmith said:

, do you all still want to blame the Russian Government for our own internal persecution?

Why, who is doing that??

[Ann O'Maly]

19 hours ago, Anna said:

Regardless, would you want to retaliate in such a manner, like a child, throwing a tantrum and getting "daddy" (Putin)  to go fight your battles? "We are going to get daddy to go take care of these nasty people calling us names and converting our people, adding to the already dwindling numbers of (Orthodox) church goers. We are going to get daddy to ban all other religions so that people don't have any other choice but to chose us." It's sad, and laughable at the same time.

I already said that I disagree with Putin's/Russia's ban. It's a basic human right, after all, to have freedom of belief and worship ... as long as those beliefs do not infringe on others' rights and freedoms. (Articles 18 and 30, http://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/)

15 hours ago, AllenSmith said:

Maybe O’Maly can answer this question “when was the last time the WT had someone jailed for their Beliefs? Like the Catholic Church did.

Oh the Org has its own effective way of punishing open dissenters by banishing them from their loved ones - often for life.

14 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Ann has no problem with this.

Really? Thank you for deciding for me what I have and have no problem with. 

[TrueTomHarley]

1 hour ago, Ann O'Maly said:

 

Really? Thank you for deciding for me what I have and have no problem with. 

One can only assess people by how they have represented themselves. And you have written so prolifically on one issue and one issue alone that it seems safe to say nothing else really registers with you. At any rate, the organization that is most proactive in combating the things I said you had no problem with is the organization you do all in your power to destroy.

Moreover, one is only 'banished' for 'life' if they choose to remain so. It is always possible to mend fences. It's just not possible to remove the fence, when that is your aim.

[Ann O'Maly]

54 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

One can only assess people by how they have represented themselves. And you have written so prolifically on one issue and one issue alone that it seems safe to say nothing else really registers with you.

One issue alone? Maybe you should read more than one thread.

58 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

At any rate, the organization that is most proactive in combating the things I said you had no problem with is the organization you do all in your power to destroy.

Again, you have decided what my opinions are and are railing against your own imaginings.

1 hour ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Moreover, one is only 'banished' for 'life' if they choose to remain so.

... If they choose to stop dissenting and change their beliefs back to those currently held by the Org.

1 hour ago, TrueTomHarley said:

It is always possible to mend fences

Those fences don't need to be broken in the first place.

[Anna]

5 hours ago, Ann O'Maly said:

I already said that I disagree with Putin's/Russia's ban. It's a basic human right, after all, to have freedom of belief and worship ... as long as those beliefs do not infringe on others' rights and freedoms. (Articles 18 and 30, http://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/)

I know. But you seem to think that JWs do infringe on the other's rights and freedom...

[TrueTomHarley]

14 hours ago, Ann O'Maly said:

One issue alone? Maybe you should read more than one thread.

It is true i have not read Ann's memoirs as she would wish. But her conduct on the threads I have read speaks loudly enough.

At the funeral of a certain apostate the other day the casket lid suddenly burst open. The deceased had just realized that there were some in the audience that had not heard her views..

[TrueTomHarley]

On 3/22/2017 at 0:38 PM, Ann O'Maly said:

 

... If they choose to stop dissenting and change their beliefs back to those currently held by the Org.

 

This reminds me of the fellow who went to the doctor: "Doc, it hurts when I do this."

Doc: "Don't do that"

You don't even have to embrace everything, necessarily. You can simply acquiece that this is the understanding of such and such at present. Maybe it will change some day. It has before. Just stop your dissenting, bitching, whining, bellyaching, trolling, and let yourself be molded by the means God is using.

You're willing to suffer divisions in your family? Just how far are you willing to go to 

prove

yourself

RIGHT!!!?

The time you have to interact with loved ones is short. Don't fritter it all away in a pissing contest as to whose right.

On 3/21/2017 at 9:05 PM, AllenSmith said:

Thank you for making (Prove) my point 

Perhaps I am not exactly on the same page as Allen, but I am close. In military terms, I believe the expression is "Loose Lips Sink Ships."

If I disagreed with something the Governing Body was doing, I would not say it here. I probably would not say it anywhere. At the very least, I would not say it to anyone without the ability to address it, and I would be slow about doing that uninvited. Surely Sunday's study material on modesty has taught us how to behave.

It is too easy to follow the example of the Western media: Expose and tear things down. It's the dream come true of a ten year old. They have no interest in rebuilding or replacing. That's someone else's job. Meanwhile, they'll look for more things to expose and tear down. It's good not to be that way.

[Anna]

On 3/22/2017 at 10:11 AM, Ann O'Maly said:

Oh the Org has its own effective way of punishing open dissenters by banishing them from their loved ones - often for life.

I don't understand why this ever has to become a problem. An "open dissenter" surely knows that they will get thrown out and that in all probability no one, not even their loved ones will fraternize with them as if nothing has happened. They are not ignorant as to the consequences, and they should not have been ignorant of them at their baptism either. (Ch14 in the Organized to do Jehovah's Will book, and page.193 question 27).

[Evacuated]

 

On 3/22/2017 at 2:11 PM, Ann O'Maly said:

Oh the Org has its own effective way of punishing open dissenters

How do you apply Titus 3:10? 

"A man whose opinions are not those of the church, after a first and second protest, is to be kept out of your society;"

Bible in Basic English

"Warn anyone who tries to get believers to take sides and separate into their own little groups. Warn him more than once. After that, have nothing to do with him."

New International Readers Version

[TrueTomHarley]

Russian authorities know what their own constitution says. Tell them what they don't know. Perhaps how Bible education benefits ones, even us personally.

[TrueTomHarley]

As our brothers in Russia brace for their greatest trial, Mark Sanderson speaks to them on JW Broadcasting in Russian! Who would have thought?