JW's mistaken claim...

[DeeDee]

10 minutes ago, DeeDee said:

Adam is the first physical father of all who were born after him. So we have "Life" but also "Death" because of Adam. But now because of the ransom sacrifice of Jesus' life, we will be able to have "Everlasting LIFE" with "NO death." In that respect, Jesus could be referred to as our "Everlasting Father" (in that he will never die again) who gave us "Everlasting LIFE."

See the post above...

[Srecko Sostar]

@Nana Fofana G.F. Handel And the glory of the Lord shall be revealed

What Lord? Lord Jesus? or Lord JHVH?

[DeeDee]

2 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

What Lord? Lord Jesus? or Lord JHVH?

They are both referred to as "Lord" by religions.

[DeeDee]

7 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

G.F. Handel And the glory of the Lord shall be revealed

What Lord? Lord Jesus? or Lord JHVH?

Christendom often is referring to Jesus when saying "Lord."

But many of them also believe that Jesus IS "JHVH."

[Srecko Sostar]

14 minutes ago, DeeDee said:

In that respect, Jesus could be referred to as our "Everlasting Father" (in that he will never die again) who gave us "Everlasting LIFE."

Fine! Then JHVH are not father any more. (from 33 CE officially ) Because Jesus adopted humans from JHVH by means of his death. Jesus became spiritual father to humans. Then it would be not appropriate, clear, right for christians, to talking about JHVH as Father any more, because as you explained, Jesus is Everlasting Father who giving everlasting life to humans.

Perhaps this deeper truth will be new light in the next issue of WT study magazine (simplified edition of course :))) ).

[DeeDee]

I am having trouble with the computer....

No, Jehovah IS the FATHER...the HEAVENLY FATHER...the CREATOR of ALL things. Without Jehovah, there IS NO LIFE...not for us and not for JESUS. Jehovah is OUR FATHER AND JESUS' FATHER.

I said:

57 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

  1 hour ago, DeeDee said:

In that respect, Jesus could be referred to as our "Everlasting Father" (in that he will never die again) who gave us "Everlasting LIFE."

It is true that Jesus will NEVER DIE...so he is "EVERLASTING."

It is also true that without Jesus' ransom sacrifice, we would NEVER have  "EVERLASTING LIFE."

So in that respect, by Jesus' sacrifice we will ALSO have EVERLASTING LIFE.

But without Jehovah GIVING us the GIFT of LIFE to begin with, there would be NO Jesus...There would be NO Death...because there would be NO LIFE...

Does that explain it better?

[DeeDee]

Here is the Scripture that explains what am saying in my last post:

Colossians 1:13-16

¹³ He [Jehovah] rescued us from the authority of the darkness [Death] and transferred us into the kingdom of his beloved Son [Jesus], ¹⁴ by means of whom we have our release by ransom, the forgiveness of our sins. ¹⁵ He [Jesus] is the image of the invisible God [Jehovah], [Jesus is] the firstborn of all creation; ¹⁶ because by means of him [Jesus] all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All other things have been created through him [Jesus] and for him [Jesus].

[DeeDee]

2 minutes ago, DeeDee said:

lordships

The word "Lord" is just a title of a position of authority.

[DeeDee]

11 hours ago, Nana Fofana said:

  18 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

When old  Jew read this particular verses in Isaiah about "Everlasting Father and Mighty God" and others titles... on whom they think that HE is??? -  god Jesus or god JHVH ?? 

 

8 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Is 9:6  For to us a CHILD is born,
    to us a SON is given,
    and the government will be on HIS shoulders.
And HE will be called
    Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
    Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace

Messiah:  In the Hebrew Bible, the Messiah was the an anointed king who will lead the Jews back to the land of Israel and establish justice in the world.

The Jews were expecting the Messiah to come because of the ancient writings (see Isa. 9:6 above).

So it would seem likely that the Jews would think those titles belong to the Messiah and not Jehovah God.

[Cos]

15 minutes ago, DeeDee said:

 

Messiah:  In the Hebrew Bible, the Messiah was the an anointed king who will lead the Jews back to the land of Israel and establish justice in the world.

The Jews were expecting the Messiah to come because of the ancient writings (see Isa. 9:6 above).

So it would seem likely that the Jews would think those titles belong to the Messiah and not Jehovah God.

 

Folks

 

Isaiah 9:6 is a prophetic description of Christ. The phrase “his name” in Isaiah 9:6 is a Hebrew idiom, and mean much more than a name that the child actually bears, it signifies that they are appellatives or descriptive designations of His person and work.

 

Wonderful Counsellor.

Mighty God.

Eternal Father.

Prince of Peace.

 

Allow me to make one point; Isaiah 9:6 is not saying that Jesus is the Father.

 

The designation “Eternal Father”” (“Everlasting Father” in some Bible versions) means “Father of eternity”. The word ‘Father’ carries the meaning of “possessor”; possessor of eternity.

 

This is in complete accordance with Hebrew custom, where he who possesses a thing is called the “father” of it. For example father of strength means “strong”; the father of knowledge means “intelligent”’; the father of compassion means “compassionate”; and the father of goodness means “good”.

 

So according to common usage, the phrase “Father of eternity” (Isa. 9:6) would mean eternal. Bible scholar John A. Martin thus concludes that the phrase “Eternal Father” is simply “an idiom used to describe the Messiah’s relationship to time” (The Bible Knowledge Commentary). <><

[DeeDee]

16 hours ago, Cos said:

Bible scholar John A. Martin thus concludes that the phrase “Eternal Father” is simply “an idiom used to describe the Messiah’s relationship to time”

 

23 hours ago, DeeDee said:

Jesus could be referred to as our "Everlasting Father" (in that he will never die again)

Thank you, Cos, for the reference information...That is the point that I was trying to make earlier: Jesus is "Eternal" and will live for eternity and will not die.

Another point to note is that the use of the word "Father" in Isaiah 9:6...(see quote below):

16 hours ago, Cos said:

is not saying that Jesus is the Father.

[Cos]

16 minutes ago, DeeDee said:

 

Thank you, Cos, for the reference information...That is the point that I was trying to make earlier. Jesus is "Eternal" and will live for eternity and will not die. Also, that the use of the word "Father" here in Isaiah:

 

Ms DeeDee (I presume you are Ms)

 

Even though Jesus is not the Father, nonetheless, He is God, just as the Father is God. <><