"Nourishing Spiritual Food"?

[Shiwiii]

20 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Why do some who have come to Jesus love Trump? Why do some who have come to Jesus love Hillary, and hate Trump?

How would I know? The opportunity for you to research is there if you really want to know. 

 

 

[TrueTomHarley]

23 hours ago, Shiwiii said:

How would I know?

You never did tell the practical benefits of people "coming to Jesus." What are they? Particularly when some will side with Trump and some with Hillary.

Thus far you have only criticized the doers.

[Shiwiii]

1 minute ago, TrueTomHarley said:

You never did tell the practical benefits of people "coming to Jesus." What are they? Particularly when some will side with Trump and some with Hillary.

Thus far you have only criticized the doers.

Have you read the Bible? I mean really? The benefits are clearly spelled out for all to see. You should try it sometime, without the forced interpretation the wt gives. 

I understand what you are doing here and I'm not playing your game Tom. 

[TrueTomHarley]

1 hour ago, Shiwiii said:

I understand what you are doing here and I'm not playing your game Tom. 

My "game" is asking you a question. Lord knows you ask enough:

You never did tell the practical benefits of people "coming to Jesus." What are they? Particularly when some will side with Trump and some with Hillary?

[TrueTomHarley]

On 1/12/2018 at 5:26 PM, Shiwiii said:

I understand what you are doing here and I'm not playing your game Tom

Here Shiwiii has revealed the reason that people become Jehovah's Witnesses. 

Almost to the person, Witnesses will say they had questions - many questions - hard-hitting questions, some of them. Nobody took offense at them. Instead, it was shown how the scriptures answered their questions. 

So why does he scream foul when I ask him a simple one? There is nothing sinister about the question. It is a question most non-religious people would ask. He comes here to incessantly criticize the doers, insisting that "coming to Jesus" solves everything. So:

On 1/12/2018 at 6:43 PM, TrueTomHarley said:

You never did tell the practical benefits of people "coming to Jesus." What are they? Particularly when some will side with Trump and some with Hillary?

It is not a trap, Shiwiii. It is a simple question. Why do you not answer it?

[Matthew9969]

Jehovahs witness business owners may do better with Trumps tax plan, so they may be more willing to vote from trump because he's helping them make more money to give to the governing body. Jesus may benefit from that as well as He is just a bystander on the jw road.

 

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

1 hour ago, Matthew9969 said:

Jehovahs witness business owners may do better with Trumps tax plan, so they may be more willing to vote from trump because he's helping them make more money to give to the governing body. Jesus may benefit from that as well as He is just a bystander on the jw road.

I very seldom... perhaps once a year, "downvote" someone, but the logic of THAT approaches true insanity.

 

[Shiwiii]

On 1/14/2018 at 4:29 AM, TrueTomHarley said:

Here Shiwiii has revealed the reason that people become Jehovah's Witnesses. 

Almost to the person, Witnesses will say they had questions - many questions - hard-hitting questions, some of them. Nobody took offense at them. Instead, it was shown how the scriptures answered their questions. 

So why does he scream foul when I ask him a simple one? There is nothing sinister about the question. It is a question most non-religious people would ask. He comes here to incessantly criticize the doers, insisting that "coming to Jesus" solves everything. So:

It is not a trap, Shiwiii. It is a simple question. Why do you not answer it?

The ridiculousness of attaching political people into the question is where you have gone astray. That is the side portion of your question which becomes your gig, your laugh. You see if you were actually serious none of that would have found its way into your agenda. 

Now to answer you seriously:

What are the benefits of Coming to Jesus?

Your sins are forgiven, the moment you accept Jesus into your heart and ask Him to forgive you. Done deal. Matt. 9:2 is a great example. By the man's faith, Jesus forgave him. 

His burden is light, why? Because He takes that pressure away from you. He give your rest (Matt 11:25-30) There is no fear of losing anything, privileges, friends, family, you don't lose but rather gain. You gain the peace and joy of being a child of God (Romans 8:15-17, 1 John 5:1). There is no obligation  to do anything, except the works of God. What are those works? John 6:29 "... believe in the one who He sent" (Jesus). 

You will be led by the Holy Spirit. (Luke 12:12) This is much like having a friend guide you through life and warning you about the dangers of your decisions. The Spirit of God dwells within you to direct you. (Romans 8:11)

Jesus does not try and trap you or trick you, it is a freedom to follow Him. It is also very easy to leave Him if you'd like. He does not threaten you to keep you under submission, He does not announce to others that you have left. He simply continues and He knows who will and who won't follow Him, so there is no surprise. He knows and Romans 8:28 tells us what the plan for those who do is, all things will work together for good for those who love God and are called according to His purpose. 

We are given eternal life. When is this given? Now. John 6:40. We have the knowledge and comfort in knowing that right now we can know for certain that we have eternal life with Jesus. This is not a maybe "if you do enough" or "if you're nice enough" it is a given. 1 John 5:11&12. 

Jesus is the mediator between the Father and humans. Jesus came in human form so that we can relate to Him and He can be our mediator. He is our spokesperson when we fail (1 John 2:1&2). The Bible tells us that there is NO other mediator, not a group of men, not a religion, not the Pope nor the octo-popes.  Jesus is our personal mediator. 

He tells us that He is the only way. (John 14:6, Hebrews 7:25) There is no other way to God, but through Jesus, so one MUST come to Jesus in order to be right with God. He must become the narrow gate in which we must pass (Matt 7:13). 

I think this is enough to answer your question. While there is much more, I really don't think you are interested in the answer, just a sort of game to see if I would jump through your hoops. Well I did, but it wasn't for just you. 

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

57 minutes ago, Shiwiii said:

think this is enough to answer your question. While there is much more, I really don't think you are interested in the answer, just a sort of game to see if I would jump through your hoops. Well I did, but it wasn't for just you. 

I agree with MOST of what you said .... but you "got me" at the last line.

Bravo!

[TrueTomHarley]

1 hour ago, Shiwiii said:

I think this is enough to answer your question.

This is all very good as far as it goes. However it is all selfish if it stops there. It is all ME ME ME - "what do I get out of it."

As it turns out, it is not about us. It is about the sanctification of God's name. We benefit as that sanctification takes place. But we are not the centerpiece of God's attention.  

Moreover, by refusing to get "practical," one easily sees how your brand of Christian becomes part and parcel and cause of what makes life for many today a "hell on earth."

1 hour ago, Shiwiii said:

The ridiculousness of attaching political people into the question is where you have gone astray.

Yes, it is good to sidestep that bit of "ridiculousness." Paper it over with a "God works in mysterious ways" as your brand of Christian slaughters one another and other populations in war! No wonder people go atheist!

Jehovah's Witnesses embrace all of what you say, as a part of the truth. But they also know that there are yet greater principles at play and they know the application of Bible principles now brings major benefits. It is not enough to wait for 'heaven' to make us all nice. We can learn to be nice now. A good place to start is to not dive into the divisiveness of this world's politics.

 

[Shiwiii]

14 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

This is all very good as far as it goes. However it is all selfish if it stops there. It is all ME ME ME - "what do I get out of it.

And this was your actual question! Was it not? You asked what does one benefit from coming to Jesus, and NOW you want to complain about the answer being about what does one gain? Do you even realize what you write sometimes? Have you been checked for multiple personalities? 

 

16 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

as your brand of Christian slaughters one another and other populations in war!

ignorant claims as you do not know my "brand"

 

16 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

It is not enough to wait for 'heaven' to make us all nice. We can learn to be nice now.

exactly, but try telling that the the thousands who were molested by members of your "brand" only to have their abusers covered up and protected. That doesn't exactly spell learning to be nice now does it? 

What does tight pants have to do with Bible principals? Tony Morris seems to think it is of importance and biblical

Where in the Bible does blood fractions come into play? 

Where in the Bible does immunizations get banned and then allowed? 

Why can't people make their minds up on if a birthday is ok or not? Why does it have to be a threat to banish a person if they participate in Christmas? 

Why is there so much controlling going on in your "brand" ?  Was Jesus that controlling? I think not  

[Vic Vomidog]

24 minutes ago, Shiwiii said:

Have you been checked for multiple personalities? 

Aye - an excellent question, Shiwiii! I'm with ye! Make TTH walk the plank! Such a scurrilous liar I have never seen!