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[Srecko Sostar]

2 hours ago, Gone Fishing said:

The repentant, murderous, adulterer, David, was still the anointed of Jehovah through his difficulties, and, despite his error, was still spoken of by Jehovah as having a complete heart. 1 Ki.11:4. As a result, he was not abandoned by Jehovah.

2 hours ago, Gone Fishing said:

This is just a generally stated, and basically irrelevant, opinion. 

I just dare to spin two off your quotations and put in these context above :)))

About David. He is interesting character for sure. And his servants also who was participated in all bad things David have done. Uriah and Bathsheba is famous example. Perhaps while talking about his servants who make things easier for David to took Bathsheba, we can talk about "COLLECTIVE RESPONSIBILITY" AND "PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY". And in his last days he took young virgin girl to warming his bed. And his servants had important role in that arrange.

Put this events and main points of this illustrations to modern day David, servants and other characters inside WT JWorg, and start to mediate about also two sort of Responsibility - Personal and Collective in WT Society.     

 

[Anna]

4 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Quality   is another topic. If never ending changes of doctrines, instructions, interpretations some of us want to call as "success" - let it be.  

 

[Witness]

4 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

PRIESTS?? 

Jehovah's  Witnesses have priests?? Since when? :)))))))))) JW org say to public little contrary - JW have no priests or clergy.

Why you using Catholic priesthood privileges according to Catholic Church canon law, doctrines and want to apply false Babylon the Great measures and instructions and doctrines to "only true JW religion"?       :))) funny and sad at same time!

http://ex-jw.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Court-Trial-Testimony-Redwood-City-1-25.pdf

Check page 4

[Srecko Sostar]

2 minutes ago, Anna said:

 

you are witty  

WT representatives were told many times that they would not change what is "proved by Bible" or what is "supported by Bible". And we all know how that was ended many times.

 One of this statement told by Gary Breaux  is;  GB WILL NEVER CHANGE TWO WITNESS RULE.

Would you, dear Anna, apply these Proverb also for Gary and his colleagues?  

[Srecko Sostar]

19 minutes ago, Witness said:

Check page 4

Yes Witness, i know that, thanks for excellent link.

I just made irony with Allen Smith comments. He connected "Priest Confidence" as justification for JW elders. But for rank and file members it would be confusing to hear how he compare gods shepherds aka elders with Catholic priesthood. WT denied existence of priest-laity distinction among JW members. But this is exactly what they have. Distinction.  

For public everyday using JWorg say, "we don't have priests, clergy, hierarchy" - but in Courts WT lawyers claims opposite. Hypocrites!   

[Anna]

2 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

WT representatives were told many times that they would not change what is "proved by Bible" or what is "supported by Bible". And we all know how that was ended many times.

Well that's an easy one What they changed must have not been proved or supported by the Bible then, even when they thought so at the time. The great thing about changing your mind is it can happen even when you say you will NEVER change it

By the way, the two witness rule does not necessarily mean you have to have two literal eye witnesses to the same instance. The two witness rule can be translated to mean reliable evidence. You will agree that most secular judicial authorities require reliable evidence. Innocent until proved guilty.

Also, there is confusion when it comes to child sexual abuse. In that case there are two judgements, one a spiritual/congregational one and the other a criminal/secular one. It is logical that if a supposed perpetrator is convicted by secular authorities, then that will immediately affect his standing in the congregation even if the congregation felt there wasn't enough evidence prior to that.

[Srecko Sostar]

42 minutes ago, Anna said:

Well that's an easy one

Yes it is easy for those Bethel Princes in WT who sitting in comfortable offices and deeply meditates about some stuff, would it be this or that and then get in is some kind of trans and find some really bright ideas about issue. Put that in publications and JW org and conventions. Drilling JW members with ideas and dfd those if they do not agree. And after few years or few decades decide to change that doctrine with "new light" mantra. For WT "bible scholars" it is easy, i agree.

For rest of members? - that depends on various personal factors :)))) live to your imagination what would this factors be.  

[Anna]

9 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

get in is some kind of trans

Really? Is that what you really believe?

11 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

For WT "bible scholars" it is easy, i agree.

I wasn't taking about that, I meant that it was easy for me to reply.

WT "Bible scholars" also have to personally apply what they say.

[Witness]

Not all anointed ones are uninspired.  Some actually, are guided by Holy Spirit.  

This is a comment I found by an anointed one, very much inspired:

“The Bible makes clear, that there are cases which DO NOT require two witnesses, such as murder and rape (Deut.22:25-27). In both crimes, there was no witness at all. IN FACT, a child is not capable of resistance toward a crafty adult, despite the useless advice for the prevention of child abuse which is given in the Awake's futile magazine article. It places blame on the incapable victim, should they be molested, by depicting an image of a child with her hand up, to her would-be rapist.

Jesus also let us know, that God Himself can be considered a witness (John8:18). If "elders" believe that they are appointed by the action of that very spirit of God, can it not also testify to guilt or innocence, in response to a prayerful petition?

Of course, God will not respond to the prayer of the wicked, just as He refuses to respond to the prayers of the GB, as they themselves admitted, about their decision to build at Warwick.”

 

 

[Srecko Sostar]

11 minutes ago, Witness said:

The Bible makes clear, that there are cases which DO NOT require two witnesses

Yes Bible talking about that, but "sheep" not using own mental power, powered by holy spirit, to make conclusions. They, generally, let to GB to made conclusion for them.

About possible future changing on "two witness rule", the rule GB defends with body and mind hahha. Perhaps WT decide to accept criminal forensic as "second witness". Not just another human witness :))))))

[Srecko Sostar]

7 minutes ago, AllenSmith said:

they're OBEYING the laws of the land

if they obey, why they have problem with Courts and other Secular Governmental Bodies in various countries?

[Srecko Sostar]

16 hours ago, AllenSmith said:

CALIFORNIA CODE

1030. Member of the clergy. As used in this article, a “member of the clergy” means a priest, minister, religious practitioner, or similar functionary of a church or of a religious denomination or religious organization.

BIBLE CODE

"You are all brothers"

P.S. “All You Are Brothers”.NWT