JW Canada: Judge authorizes class action for Jehovah's Witnesses sex abuse victims

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

42 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Oh. Unless he means the hehehehe:)))))))

But I have not thought that attributed to a language or grammar barrier.

I think BillytheKid46 was referring to "Ho Ho Ho Ho:  - -   - -  - -  - -  - - ", followed by "Bah!, Humbug!"

[Srecko Sostar]

10 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

I’m not James, TTH, and JWinsider to insult people because of grammar or language barriers and limitations,

???  I don't know those men, but i know You.  hehehe

10 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

I don’t have a language and grammar superiority complex, to put things under a microscope to see who puts a period, a comma, a question mark or catchphrase like “that being side” to promote some kind of misguided conspiracy that all men are created equal by, grammar. Therefore, If I made you think less of yourself because of it, I sincerely apologize.

Thanks for kind words, BUT what this have with "elders private thoughts on buying milk, going to pick up kid in school", or similar useless NOTES  inside/between other notes about Child molestation cases before Court or before WT elders?

If your elders making such useless notes in investigation or judicial process inside congregation, that would be of no help or benefit for victims,  maybe only for accused one.

When WT elders serves in parallel (illegal) juridical system inside One and Only Legal State Juridical System, that is the problem. It is not "problem" do i know more or less or nothing about US or EU laws.  

WT top lawyers in Warwick should, must know that detail. Elders in WTinc. which is in fact Private Entrepreneurship-Enterprise in the name of God, should to learn how their working specter inside The Church is about spiritual and doctrinal issues of members. Things that are Covered by Secular laws (in this topic that is sex abuse inside WT or any other institution) should be given to Secular authority to handle. 

 

 

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

6 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

 Things that are Covered by Secular laws (in this topic that is sex abuse inside WT or any other institution) should be given to Secular authority to handle. 

EXACTLY:

Anything ... anything at all ....  that the Elders become aware of that is an actual crime ... as defined by the Secular Authorities ... should be reported to the appropriate  Secular Authorities.

That is the Law of GOD !

In a similar manner, we ALSO should not do our own dental work, and heart surgery.

Deciding for ourselves whether or not it is REQUIRED ... puts Caesar holding the moral high ground, and makes cowards out of us.

FOR MONEY.

We have a greater responsibility to God, the Brotherhood,  and the community we live in, than trying to preserve accumulated piles of money, and magnificent and valuable Real Estate.

We have World Centers in NY, and Embassies all over the world (Branch Offices).

In Cairo, Egypt, the Egyptians tried that with the Pyramids ...

... as they and their civilization turned to ruin and dust.

King Tut .... gave his life for Tourism!

 

Jesus did not even have a rented single room to sleep in, or even one suitcase with a change of clothes. 

Remember the Assembly theme "Follow Jesus"?

How'se dat workin' out fer us?

 

JW WORLD HEADQUARTERS RELOCATION ..mp4

 

 

[Space Merchant]

15 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Oh. Unless he means the hehehehe:)))))))

A man who giggles at the seriousness and the gravity of such situations is not a man to be taken seriously. For me, this is how I always see.

That being said, things are back to square 1 when it was said months ago, not a whole lot of people are familiar with secular law in regards to child abuse. AT LEAST make the effort to look at the basics about the Law, but as much as you advise and suggest that, they ignore it. Hence why, as those who truly fight child abuse, consider such ones contributors of the problem, which is evident in recent weeks pertaining to that of child abuse as a whole.

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

Sometimes ... MANY times ... Justice requires going above and BEYOND the law, without breaking it.

Taking the MORAL high ground often requires losing everything you own, and all your money and assets, and sometimes even your life, in a miserable and degraded manner, in abject and total poverty, as Jesus was the exemplar, and many of his Apostles and disciples  learned.

Remember the Assembly theme "Follow Jesus"?

How'se dat workin' out fer us?

[Srecko Sostar]

Was that something about how Jesus gave life for sinners? And for His Friends too?

GB friends are JW members? Are they? But they "sold" them to Russian Government, and now they have Legal Battles about multi millions worth Real Estate that was Confiscated.

2 quotes from JWorg newsroom:

1) Court to Hear Appeal Against Russian Government Seizure of Witnesses’ National Office

2) Philip Brumley, General Counsel for Jehovah’s Witnesses, stated: “Jehovah’s Witnesses around the world are greatly disturbed by the harsh persecution of their fellow believers in Russia. Jehovah’s Witnesses are confronting the same type of repression today as they suffered under the Communist regime.

In 1) we see how WTinc.  is so worried about Material Things, because they are Owners.

In 2) we see nothing about JW Neutrality. Bro Brumley using POLITICAL ETIQUETTE when speaking about Legal Matters and JW members by - quote: Jehovah’s Witnesses are confronting the same type of repression today as they suffered under the Communist regime. How can be that one of top lawyer, in fact General Counsel for JW, who is elder, shepherd, believer, who supposed to be POLITICALLY NEUTRAL, using comparison of late political system with today political system. What COMMUNISM have with JW Church today? What Russia today have with JW Church? What USA have with JW Church? What every and any country with particular political ideology have with JW Church? 

JW Church and followers considers themselves as Separate Organization and Nation far away of any political way of expressions. Brumley's political standpoint in quote is far away of Jesus way how to deal with "politics" and secular governments. Brumley using Political Colors in aspiration to talking bad about Russian Government, Russian Courts, secular Russian People. WHO gave Brumley right to speak about political aspects in one country? Why Brumley using Communism Ideology as HIS EXPLANATION why WTJWorg have PROBLEMS in this country? Why he was not braver and picturing situation with Nazi Germany period of suppressing JW. Hitler has done terrible things to many people.     

Does Brumley consider USA and Western Democracies as Good political system? Because USA Courts not seized WTJWorg Real Estate.... yet.

And what when they do that? Would GB proclaim: Armageddon comes and we have to go to Heaven?

[Srecko Sostar]

@BillyTheKid46 

The question before us is never whether or not to legislate morality, but which moral system ought to be made legally binding.

Do you suggest how JW moral system aka Religious System of WT Corporation is exactly that one which need to be legally binding for all?

Because, as few WTJWorg defenders suggest us here, exactly That One (written in WTJWorg publications and other Not Public documents aka "For Elders Eyes Only" books and memos, letters from HQ, with Rules, Laws and Procedures how to deal with Sinners, Disobedient One, Dissidents and other Hostile Elements in Congregations, is The Best what exist in this World ? 

[Anna]

1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

(written in WTJWorg publications and other Not Public documents aka "For Elders Eyes Only" books and memos, letters from HQ, with Rules, Laws and Procedures how to deal with Sinners, Disobedient One, Dissidents and other Hostile Elements in Congregations, 

Actually, these things are not secret, any publisher can read about them in various publications. ("Organized to do Jehovah's Will" and WT articles.).

 

[Anna]

1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

The Best what exist in this World ? 

If they are based on the Bible then yes.

[JOHN BUTLER]

40 minutes ago, Anna said:

If they are based on the Bible then yes.

Now there's the rub 

 

[JOHN BUTLER]

the Watchtower hides things. When that is proven false 

Has it been proven false ?   

Then why did the GB / Legal dept refuse to hand over all of the twenty years worth of Child Abuse accusations in the USA ?

They didn't say those documents didn't exist, they just refused to hand them over. 

Now, whether they needed legally to hand those documents over or not, the point was proven that those documents existed. So that is hidden information. 

And didn't the Charity commision find things out on their investigation hee in the UK ? And didn't the UK branch/ hq/ bethel try to stop the Charity Commision from doing it's investigation ? So wasn't the UK bethel/hq trying to hide things ? 

And isn't the IICSA going to do an investigation into the UK branch of JW's ?  Why would they bother if they didn't think there were things being hidden ? 

And in other countries groups such as Reclaimed Voices are pushing for more investigations.

I think there is a lot more muck going to be dug out of the JW Org over this year. 

Too bad that you cannot see that the GB are not the 'faithful and discreet slave' that they pretend to be. 

They not only hide things from the public, they also hide things from the congregants. 

11.35pm. Good night from the pleasant countryside of Devon England  

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

All you said is true .. BUT ... all men are fallible, and even hardened combat soldiers  whose determination is to be steadfast, loyal, courageous, faithful and discreet  reach the limits of what they are ABLE to do ... and crumble and fall.

... been there ... done that.

Seen it many times in many places.

Not every conscientious soldier can be like the fictional John Rambo, and it is unrealistic to assume anything close to that.

That is why, while acknowledging all that has been talked about here in the last ten years, and more, is mostly true ... Justice requires OUR mercy and understanding when our "Drill Sergeants", and "Officer's Corps" get us and our friends killed because they were not as good at what they claimed to want to be.

Nobody is.  

Not You, Not me, not anybody.

My Uncle Bill was shot from behind in North Korea in the 1950's by his own men, and three 50 caliber machine gun bullets almost tore his left arm off, which was one massive scar.

Making weak, wimpy decisions based on fear of an endless list of things ... IS WHAT WE DO!

That is why I stick with Jehovah's Witnesses ... not because of the phony crap and self serving self aggrandizement of the leadership, that looks like a clown car that has run off the road and into a tree ... It's because the core Theology is TRUE ... and Jehovah really does have a Congregational Arrangement, and Jehovah's Witnesses , globally, "ARE THE ONLY GAME IN TOWN!"

FROM THE BOTTOM UP,  we have to show THEM mercy and understanding, even when they royally screw up.. (John 9:41).

Remember, Jehovah "tolerated" a whole dedicated nation of Jews, his "special possession", to get completely over run with pagan practices and dishonesty, before it finally reached a certain point, that "enough was enough!."

Justice must be tempered with mercy for blind guides who do not fight well when the enemy is engaged.

Everyone does what we know ... and nobody is good at everything.

A clumsy dentist is often better than no dentist., but ....

STUFF HAPPENS

(paraphrased)