"WATCHTOWER APPEALS TO THE SUPREME COURT"

[Srecko Sostar]

15 minutes ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

If the Elders were as you pretend, being guided by Bible principles, then how could they keep such disgusting things, dangerous things, unloving things, things that dishonour God, secret ? 

Yes. In fact WHY they have to call Legal Department for advice on - to call or not to call - if Bible PRINCIPLES and GUIDANCE of holy spirit are powers SUFFICIENT for Elders when making decisions? :))

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

If you think that the GB, Branch Office personnel and Circuit Overseers do not think of themselves as "Clergy", try baptizing your Bible Study one afternoon at a local public pool, without congregation oversight.

The Baptism may be acceptable to God, and Christ .... but you will "catch hell" in the little back room, and may be disfellowshipped, yourself, for not including the fealty oath to the Organization., as represented by the Governing Body., and the Elders declare the baptism invalid.

Or do you think the Ethiopian Eunuch answered all 100 questions, and pledged his allegiance to the Organization in Jerusalem, before he was baptized?

[TrueTomHarley]

17 minutes ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

If you think that the GB, Branch Office personnel and Circuit Overseers do not think of themselves as "Clergy", try baptizing your Bible Study one afternoon at a local public pool, without congregation oversight.

“What I mean is this, that each one of you says: “I belong to Paul,” “But I to A·polʹlos,” “But I to Ceʹphas,” “But I to Rook.”

Is there a reason that he cannot be baptized at an assembly or convention like every other Witness on the planet? Did you tell him to wear tight pants, too?

[Witness]

7 hours ago, Anna said:

That was not with my help. That was at the top of the article you posted

 

21 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

I wish you were lying or agenda driven, but I know from independent research everything you said here is true

 

21 hours ago, Anna said:

I have no idea what John Redwood is talking about here. Perhaps I should ask him.

It appears James may not have notice that the post was written by John Redwood, until he saw your comment under his.  

[Witness]

6 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Yes. In fact WHY they have to call Legal Department for advice on - to call or not to call - if Bible PRINCIPLES and GUIDANCE of holy spirit are powers SUFFICIENT for Elders when making decisions? :))

Not only do the have the Bible, but according to the Watchtower, they have been appointed by Holy Spirit:

The "gifts in men" mentioned at Eph 4:8 are Christian elders, who are appointed by holy spirit and are given authority to care for the spiritual interests of fellow believers.  (Acts 20:28)  km 8/02 pp. 5-6

Two lies:

When it comes to child abuse, they must call for legal advice.  Their given authority to care for spiritual interests of fellow believers, stops there.

The "gifts in men" do not refer to those not anointed, but to the anointed ones.  Eph 4:11-13

Would they have Holy Spirit if this elder body from the top down, has lied about not only their false authority, but robbing the identity of who God has provided to serve under Holy Spirit's guidance?

Would God really give these men the ability to shepherd justly if they rule behind a lie?

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

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Perhaps TTH, the person dedicating his life to Jehovah wanted to do it NOW .... just as the Ethiopian Eunuch did..

Apparently the Eunuch was smart enough to text and drive at the same time, and not run into a camel, and was aware enough to see a lake or pond nearby, while driving a chariot, listening to the "radio", and reading.

Perhaps there are some people that do not agree with the philosophy that JW.ORG  should be JW.BORG, where resistance is futile, and everyone WILL be assimilated, and be exactly the same.

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

.... Psychological Beatings and heavy unnecessary burdens of every description will continue, until morale improves ...

 

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

[JOHN BUTLER]

11 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

If you think that the GB, Branch Office personnel and Circuit Overseers do not think of themselves as "Clergy", try baptizing your Bible Study one afternoon at a local public pool, without congregation oversight.

The Baptism may be acceptable to God, and Christ .... but you will "catch hell" in the little back room, and may be disfellowshipped, yourself, for not including the fealty oath to the Organization., as represented by the Governing Body., and the Elders declare the baptism invalid.

Or do you think the Ethiopian Eunuch answered all 100 questions, and pledged his allegiance to the Organization in Jerusalem, before he was baptized?

James would you be kind enough to give me 10 good reasons why you are still one of them ? 

[TrueTomHarley]

7 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

Perhaps TTH, the person dedicating his life to Jehovah wanted to do it NOW .... just as the Ethiopian Eunuch did..

Did you drive him there in his chariot?

7 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

Perhaps there are some people that do not agree with the philosophy that JW.ORG

That being the case, why would he even show up afterwards at any meeting directed by his spiritual enemies, so that they could “take you and he to the back room” or however you phrased it? If their baptism is no good, why assume that their meetings are?  It makes no sense.

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

2 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

That being the case, why would he even show up afterwards at any meeting directed by his spiritual enemies, so that they could “take you and he to the back room” or however you phrased it? If their baptism is no good, why assume that their meetings are?  It makes no sense.

It makes no sense to you because you have missed the point tht Baptism to God and Christ is what is in the person's heart ....the fact that Witnesses are DELIBERATELY kept ignorant OF THE  CORPORATE LOYALTY OATH, that they are ALSO swearing fealty to a Corporation excuses their ignorance, completely.  Not every soldier is a John Rambo.

The Corporate Fealty Oath  is deliberately obscured and hidden until the very last moment for a specific reason.

That part of the ceremony is a deliberate legal trap.

The Governing Body and the Watchtower lawyers know EXACTLY what they are doing, and exactly what the words mean .... in a court of law .... where someone  is suing them for malfeasance or other crimes against the dignity of the individual.

With those weasel words, expertly disguised or completely hidden, and DELIBERATELY not taught ... to the baptismal candidate ... they can legitimately say to a judge or jury ... and have it hold up in a court of law ... that the baptized Witnesses agreed to be subordinate and mistreated by the Corporation.

 

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

There are two parts to a Corporate Baptism:

1.) Dedication and public declaration of agreement of being adopted by Jehovah God, and Christ Jesus,  and

2.) An oath of fealty and subservience to the Corporation's ( The "Organization" ) policies and procedures.

I suspect the Watchtower Lawyers, which now dictate the nuances of our "Corporate Theology", will have to work a LOT of overtime, when this issue hits the courtroom, as respects to Corporate baptized  minors, below the age of 18, when challenged on that point alone.

UNless legally emancipated, they do NOT have the right to make contracts, except for food, clothing, shelter, and suchlike absolute essentials .... and CERTAINLY (to be tested in court ...) not contested fealty to a Corporation, the contract being entered into before the age of majority.

I do NOT agree with JW.ORG, becoming JW.BORG .... but the Watchtower Lawyers and accountants are now running the show, and there is NOTHING... NOTHING, anybody on Earth can do about it.

The Governing Body CANNOT be fired by anyone on Earth.

...and they know it!