Suicide. God's view. Organisation's view

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

29 minutes ago, Anna said:

I am sorry, you misunderstood what I meant. I understand your concern about what the GB think, as they are supposed to be providing food at the proper time, and we are supposed to trust that this food is faultless. But sometimes it isn't. We know that although doing their best, the GB can still make mistakes. In that case, what is ultimately more important than what the GB says or thinks, is what Jehovah says and thinks. This is what I had in mind. By reading several related scriptures it becomes evident that the answer to your concern is that we have to leave it in Jehovahs hands, fully trusting that he is the reader of hearts and is perfectly just and loving, and would NEVER destroy anyone unjustly, even if in our opinion they did the most horrible things. So within this framework, it really doesn't matter what the GB think. Again I apologize, I really did not mean it to sound unloving, just factual. 

So when you mention that we have to be in line with the orgs. thoughts, yes, but first and foremost we have to be in line with Jehovah's thoughts.

Thank you @Anna I totally agree with this point. 

[Srecko Sostar]

On 11/13/2019 at 12:05 PM, 4Jah2me said:

Elders are supposed to be up to date with all the latest thoughts coming forth from the top HQ, the GB.

:))) yes, supposed. Because "life saving information" have to come from GB onto worldwide elders and from them to flock. That is legal, legitimate and  official way how  "channel" of communication working and is blessed by god. :))))

[Anna]

42 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

On 11/13/2019 at 6:05 AM, 4Jah2me said:

Elders are supposed to be up to date with all the latest thoughts coming forth from the top HQ, the GB.

:))) yes, supposed. Because "life saving information" have to come from GB onto worldwide elders and from them to flock. That is legal, legitimate and  official way how  "channel" of communication working and is blessed by god. :))))

Well, just shows you can't make people do what you want them to do, people will always do what THEY want to do in the end. The only exception is if they are drugged. It is implied by some on here that the GB controls everyone. Evidently not true 😀

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

1 hour ago, Anna said:

Well, just shows you can't make people do what you want them to do, people will always do what THEY want to do in the end. The only exception is if they are drugged. It is implied by some on here that the GB controls everyone. Evidently not true 😀

 

@Anna   To quote you "It is implied by some on here that the GB controls everyone. "  

The GB try to control everyone within the Org, but as you say there are 'rebels'. (Moses used a similar word).

It would seem to me, though only my opinion, that there are many so called JW's, that are physically in, but mentally/ spiritually out, of the Org. Or at least not in agreement with the GB on many issues. 

[Srecko Sostar]

1 hour ago, Anna said:

Well, just shows you can't make people do what you want them to do, people will always do what THEY want to do in the end.

Yes, people always doing what they want to do..... and sometimes they WANT to do things what THEY (other people) told them to do. 

[DespicableME]

13 minutes ago, 4Jah2me said:

It would seem to me, though only my opinion, that there are many so called JW's, that are physically in, but mentally/ spiritually out, of the Org. Or at least not in agreement with the GB on many issues. 

This is a spot on characterization here, that's also my opinion.

14 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Yes, people always doing what they want to do..... and sometimes they WANT to do things what THEY (other people) told them to do. 

Something like Aaron making the golden calf because the people told him to make that false idol, just because Moses was taking to long to return. I forget, what happened to those people?

[Matthew9969]

Would dying by refusing a blood transfusion be suicide?

[Anna]

4 hours ago, Matthew9969 said:

Would dying by refusing a blood transfusion be suicide?

Would dying by going to war for your country be suicide?

[TrueTomHarley]

5 hours ago, Matthew9969 said:

Would dying by refusing a blood transfusion be suicide?

 

54 minutes ago, Anna said:

Would dying by going to war for your country be suicide?

That is an excellent counter-question for the troublemaker and his two cheerleaders.

From the standpoint of the soldier’s countrymen, no—it is not suicide. However, from the standpoint of the other 99% of the world’s population, it may not be suicide, but it is stark raving crazy misguided, putting trust in a delusion of self-interested superiority, and his death is an absolute waste, rewarded only with a monument from his fellow delusionites. 

What reward does God have in store for those who keep his laws even under duress?

[Srecko Sostar]

2 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

7 hours ago, Matthew9969 said:

Would dying by refusing a blood transfusion be suicide?

 

3 hours ago, Anna said:

Would dying by going to war for your country be suicide?

That is an excellent counter-question for the troublemaker and his two cheerleaders.

From the standpoint of the soldier’s countrymen, no—it is not suicide. However, from the standpoint of the other 99% of the world’s population, it may not be suicide, but it is stark raving crazy misguided, putting trust in a delusion of self-interested superiority, and his death is an absolute waste, rewarded only with a monument from his fellow delusionites. 

What reward does God have in store for those who keep his laws even under duress?

Think, how both questions have good position. Maybe we can be in better position about answer, if we take in consideration what would be chance to survive and continue to live (in this life of course :))) ) in each of this situations. 

On other side, by refusing blood you not participate in defending other people who had been attacked by evil force.

Reason or reasons for refusing blood, standing in theological explanation of how should be understood verse in Bible, and how are your personal feelings about God's will.

By this action (refusing blood) you directly help or harm yourself, and indirectly harm own family. Those people who going to war because they want to help people, are ready to put  themselves  in danger situation for (theoretically) only one reason - to help known and unknown people on cost of own life.

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

No nation on Earth considers death by warfare to be either murder or suicide.

Neither does Jehovah God.

Among the ancient Jews, killing someone with premeditation  in warfare was one thing .... premeditated killing someone in "civilian" life was considered murder.

.... be a sport ... look it up.

Meditating on this fact, when fully understood and integrated, will change you WHOLE VIEWPOINT on many many aspects of everything you thought was true.

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

No nation on Earth considers death by warfare to be either murder or suicide.

Neither does Jehovah God.

I think I'd have to disagree on this... God / Christ made it clear that from the death / resurrection of Jesus Christ, that all people were equal.  I would think that God would now see it as murder to kill anyone intentionally.  I know that questions the idea of defence and the stopping of terrorism but ..