The heavenly resurrection begins after the fall of Babylon the Great

[John 12.24to28]

(If you decide to come out of the closet, @Boyle, I will still talk to you. I don't shun people. I have faith in Jesus' ransom blood. But if you decide to keep wearing masks, that's your prerogative. I can tell you must be scared. You don't need to be afraid. Jehovah already knows everything, and He says the ransom is enough for you if you want it.) 

[John 12.24to28]

6 minutes ago, boyle said:

In what sense if the heart has no repentance? Can you explain how?

 

Sometimes it takes time to learn how to hate what is bad. When someone is addicted to bad behaviors, it takes time. Jehovah will help you if you let him. He doesn't hate you. He hates the bad behaviors that hurt you.

[John 12.24to28]

16 minutes ago, boyle said:

22 minutes ago, AudreyAnnaNana said:

It's okay for a man to love another man. But it is unclean for a man to lie with a man.

This kind of tells me you're not a Jehovah's witness, which would be a lie to the public. It's not okay for a man to desire another man. It's not okay for a woman to be disfellowshiped for being with another woman and think she could hide that from her husband.

 

I am one of Jehovah's witnesses. It is not right to desire something that does not belong to us. We all have to fight wrong desires. Every person on earth needs to fight against wrong desires. If we fall, we get up again. The ransom is enough. We just have to keep going forward. We can't change the past, but the future is so bright...don't give up, please, don't give up on Jehovah. He hasn't given up on you. He loves you.💖

[John 12.24to28]

(you still didn't say if you liked my silly banana jokes...🙂)

[John 12.24to28]

Here is another set of verses that helps us to understand the timing of the heavenly resurrection:

 

"And I saw thrones, and those who sat on them were given authority to judge. Yes, I saw the souls of those executed for the witness they gave about Jesus and for speaking about God, and those who had not worshipped the wild beast or its image and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand. And they came to life and ruled as kings with the Christ for 1,000 years.  (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the 1,000 years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.  Happy and holy is anyone having part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no authority, but they will be priests of God and of the Christ, and they will rule as kings with him for the 1,000 years."

 

It says that the anointed "had not worshipped the wild beast or its image". 

 

The image of the wild beast is the UN.

 

The UN hasn't come to power completely yet.

 

The anointed will still be on earth during most of the 3 1/2 years of the great tribulation. They will keep their integrity during this time by remaining loyal to Christ Jesus as king. They will not worship the UN.

 

After most of the great tribulation has occurred, after the UN is the world power for a portion of the 3 1/2 years of the great tribulation, after the UN has "killed" the remaining anointed, then they will all be resurrected. First the 144,000 will be resurrected here on earth as spirit creatures with materialized bodies. Then they will ascend to heaven and fight alongside Jesus at the battle of Armageddon against Jehovah's enemies.

 

Then the anointed and Jesus will interact with those on earth to work toward making Jehovah's will come true. The anointed and Jesus will use materialized bodies to interact with their brothers on earth, because that's what Jesus did before he ascended to heaven and he told the man next to him on the torture stake "I will be with you in Paradise."

 

"And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more.  I also saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.  With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his people. And God himself will be with them.  And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.” And the One seated on the throne said: “Look! I am making all things new.” Also he says: “Write, for these words are faithful and true.”"

 

Praise Jehovah, Our Father, the God of Truth and Love.💖

[Pudgy]

AudreyAnnaNana: 

Have you ever run across the trigonometric memnemonic:

SHO

CHA

TAO

for calculating the angles and distances of a triangle? It’s in common use now, and unknown to me may have been “invented” before I independently  “invented” it about 40 years ago. It’s pronounced “shochatao”. Easy to remember. An essential tool for trig calcs.

As bad as I am at math, I am stunned that this memnemonic was essential for me earning a living for 40 years and more, doing trig calcs. in surveying and civil and mechanical engineering.

If it’s new to you, see if you can crack the code of how it works. If you already know, a patronizing grin.

[Pudgy]

As far as how and where the anointed or the other sheep are resurrected I have no interest unless it involves needing a Space Suit, or SCUBA gear, a waterproof solar powered GPS, or heavy winter clothes.

Being resurrected AT ALL is the biggie.

The rest is irrelevant details.

[John 12.24to28]

1 hour ago, Pudgy said:

AudreyAnnaNana: 

Have you ever run across the trigonometric memnemonic:

SHO

CHA

TAO

for calculating the angles and distances of a triangle? It’s in common use now, and unknown to me may have been “invented” before I independently  “invented” it about 40 years ago. It’s pronounced “shochatao”. Easy to remember. An essential tool for trig calcs.

As bad as I am at math, I am stunned that this memnemonic was essential for me earning a living for 40 years and more, doing trig calcs. in surveying and civil and mechanical engineering.

If it’s new to you, see if you can crack the code of how it works. If you already know, a patronizing grin.

 

SOH CAH TOA

 

sin = opposite/hypotenuse

cos = adjacent/hypotenuse

tan = opposite/adjacent

 

I'm not very good at math, but I do love it. It's one of the few times in this old system of things that problems can be solved perfectly. 

 

(I saw on earlier threads that somebody posted some math problems. I went back and did them for fun. I'm kind of a geek like that.🙂)

 

[John 12.24to28]

1 hour ago, Pudgy said:

Being resurrected AT ALL is the biggie.

 

Amen! I am thankful that Jehovah wants all His children to be there. 

 

Mr. Moise/Boyle/AllenSmith/WallyMcNasty and his antics makes me think of "Shrew". I understand "Shrew" because we are all "shrew-like" in one way or another. (James chapter 3).

 

I like these variations on the theme of "taming the shrew"...

 

Shakespeare version taming of the shrew:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iBWtOHPV28

 

Peter Rabbit version taming of the shrew:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwNQXMyH6pE

 

God's Word version taming of the shrew:

 

"The wolf and the lamb will feed together, 

The lion will eat straw just like the bull, 

And the serpent’s food will be dust.  

They will do no harm nor cause any ruin in all my holy mountain,” says Jehovah."

 

"The wolf will reside for a while with the lamb, 

And with the young goat the leopard will lie down, 

And the calf and the lion and the fattened animal will all be together; 

And a little boy will lead them. 

The cow and the bear will feed together, 

And their young will lie down together.  

The lion will eat straw like the bull. 

The nursing child will play over the lair of a cobra, 

And a weaned child will put his hand over the den of a poisonous snake.  

They will not cause any harm 

Or any ruin in all my holy mountain, 

Because the earth will certainly be filled with the knowledge of Jehovah 

As the waters cover the sea.  

In that day the root of Jesʹse will stand up as a signal for the peoples. 

To him the nations will turn for guidance, 

And his resting-place will become glorious."

 

"Love hopes all things."💖

[Pudgy]

FOR 90 DEGREE RIGHT TRIANGLES

S = the sine of the angle being considered, in decimal degrees

H = the hypotenuse of a triangle in units (feet, meters, miles or whatever)

O =  the opposite side of the triangle from the angle considered, in units (feet, meters, miles or whatever)

C = the cosine of an angle being considered, in decimal degrees

T = the tangent of an angle being considered, in decimal degrees 

A = the adjacent side of the triangle to the angle considered in units (feet, meters, miles or whatever)

FROM LEFT TO TO RIGHT YOU MULTIPLY,    FROM RIGHT TO LEFT YOU DIVIDE 

S x H = O

C x H = A

T x A = O

…………………

O / H = S

A / H = C

O / A = T

Just write down vertically SHOCHATAO before you start doing trig !

SHO

CHA

TAO

But my very FAVORITE formula was simply SHOCHATAO = $.

Somebody paid me a lot of money to do that, for 40 years!

[John 12.24to28]

On 4/7/2023 at 10:38 AM, Pudgy said:

When I was in the seventh grade, in English class we were taught to diagram sentences. You could diagram of a sentence and tell exactly what was being said, even if the author had not intended to say that.

It’s a lot of work, and when I was younger, I did the work when studying scriptures so that’s what I’m used to.

Now I realize that the above rambling essay is much larger then two short paragraphs, and 10 bullet,  points so I’ll try to shorten it …………

1.) since there is absolutely nothing I can do about ANY of it, I really don’t need to know at all !!

2.) Sometimes bullet points are not necessary.

( I have  bigger problems down here where the rubber meets the road )

 

Diagramming sentences can be fun puzzles. I liked grammar class. I prefer the math puzzles. And scriptural puzzles. Wrestling with "puzzles" has helped me cope during the many varied instances and extended circumstances regarding those "bigger problems down here where the rubber meets the road." Sometimes when it seems like the whole world has gone mad, immersing my mind and heart in study of creation and scripture has kept me alive.

 

"In this same way, when God decided to demonstrate more clearly to the heirs of the promise the unchangeableness of his purpose, he guaranteed it with an oath,  in order that through two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled to the refuge may have strong encouragement to take firm hold of the hope set before us."

 

I love my children more than I love anyone else on earth. When I understood about being anointed, I had to "wrestle all night" with that figurative angel...how do you comprehend everlasting life separated from those you love? And the God of Love doing the calling? It just didn't make sense. All the things the organization says about the heavenly resurrection don't make sense. They don't fit with the Bible. I had to wrestle with that puzzle for a long time before things fell into place.

 

I begged Jehovah to help me understand. And He did. And it's only right to share that information, because it's just horrible for anybody to think that Jehovah would separate loved ones from each other. He's not like that. Satan is the one who invented the eternal torment doctrine, not Jehovah.

 

How could anyone think the God of Love would separate loved ones for all eternity, and that someone in heaven could see their loved ones but not be with them? That's horrible. That's not Jehovah's way.

 

"You must not boil a kid in its mother's milk." That was a law of Jehovah. He wasn't just saying it about cooking. It's the principle behind it.

 

Jehovah was separated from Jesus for a little while. It must have been horrible. But then they could be together again forever. Jehovah takes the lead in everything. Why would He ask us to do something that He wouldn't do himself? Jehovah would not separate Himself from His Son for all eternity. He would not ask us to do it either.

 

Jehovah designed us to be His kids. He isn't going to just watch everybody from heaven. That's not how He is. People don't understand yet that He's actually going to make a way to interact with His kids on the earth. 

 

It's kind of like when you know how to do trig, but you're teaching someone who doesn't know their 1-2-3s yet. You have to wait until they can count, then teach basic math, then algebra later, etc...

 

For so long, false religion has been teaching that "invisible" thing, and there are still remnants of it in Jehovah's Witnesses today that haven't been removed yet. Jesus will remove them in time.

 

Anyway, suffering is bad but good things can come of it. Jehovah doesn't cause the suffering, but He turns it into a blessing every time, like He did with Job, and Joseph, and Jesus. He will do that for all of us.

 

Thank you for sharing with me about trigonometry.💖

 

I like what Jesus said:

 

"“I still have many things to say to you, but you are not able to bear them now.  However, when that one comes, the spirit of the truth, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak of his own initiative, but what he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things to come.  That one will glorify me, because he will receive from what is mine and will declare it to you.  All the things that the Father has are mine. That is why I said he receives from what is mine and declares it to you.  In a little while you will see me no longer, and again, in a little while you will see me.”

[John 12.24to28]

On 2/19/2023 at 7:06 PM, Pudgy said:

I have never aspired to any position of responsibility, and don’t now. I don’t want to “shepherd” anyone. 
Never have.

 

Who in their right mind would want to be a king and a priest? That's who Jehovah picks sometimes, I guess. People who weren't looking for it, people who don't want to be a king or a priest. So that He may be glorified when He Causes somebody to Become something even when they're nothing. Jehovah is praised in this.