The heavenly resurrection begins after the fall of Babylon the Great

[TrueTomHarley]

I don’t know who this Kevin person is

[John 12.24to28]

44 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

I don’t know who this Kevin person is

 

You can listen to his interview here:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UOnXYj_kG0

 

"Kevin McFree" is one of many little sheep who were taken advantage of by the wolves in the organization. When he approached Jehovah like a little child, the Pharisees decked him. Now he doesn't trust Jehovah the same way because of those Pharisees who claim to represent Jehovah. Jesus spoke about the situation:

 

"In that hour the disciples came near to Jesus and said: “Who really is greatest in the Kingdom of the heavens?”  So calling a young child to him, he stood him in their midst  and said: “Truly I say to you, unless you turn around and become as young children, you will by no means enter into the Kingdom of the heavens.  Therefore, whoever will humble himself like this young child is the one who is the greatest in the Kingdom of the heavens;  and whoever receives one such young child on the basis of my name receives me also.  But whoever stumbles one of these little ones who have faith in me, it would be better for him to have hung around his neck a millstone that is turned by a donkey and to be sunk in the open sea. 

 

“Woe to the world because of the stumbling blocks! Of course, it is inevitable that stumbling blocks will come, but woe to the man through whom the stumbling block comes!  If, then, your hand or your foot makes you stumble, cut it off and throw it away from you. It is better for you to enter into life maimed or lame than to be thrown with two hands or two feet into the everlasting fire.  Also, if your eye makes you stumble, tear it out and throw it away from you. It is better for you to enter one-eyed into life than to be thrown with two eyes into the fiery Ge·henʹna.  See that you do not despise one of these little ones, for I tell you that their angels in heaven always look upon the face of my Father who is in heaven.  

 

“What do you think? If a man has 100 sheep and one of them strays, will he not leave the 99 on the mountains and set out on a search for the one that is straying?  And if he finds it, I certainly tell you, he rejoices more over it than over the 99 that have not strayed.  Likewise, it is not a desirable thing to my Father who is in heaven for even one of these little ones to perish."

 

Jehovah knows where all his little ones are. He also knows why they were stumbled. It's not the ones who are stumbled that Jesus is upset with. It's the stumbling blocks.

 

Soon Jesus is going to gather all the little ones from everywhere they've been flung, and Jesus is going to remove all the loveless ones who keep trying to cut off the Lord's children from the flock. Praise Jehovah.

[John 12.24to28]

1 hour ago, boyle said:

Can you explain what that has to do with a corporation's legal right to merchandise their name? Jehovah doesn't need anyone's permission to be called Jehovah. People don't need his permission to disrespect god, yet many do.

Since times have changed and classifications, then there are certain things that couldn't be applied in ancient times, can be applied in modern times without the disapproval of Jehovah.

 

Jehovah doesn't need anyone's permission to send someone as one of His Witnesses.

 

Jehovah's name doesn't belong to a corporation. It belongs to Jehovah.

 

If a corporation wants to say they represent Jehovah, and then Jehovah sends a witness who doesn't belong to that corporation, does the corporation have the right to sue Jehovah because one of His witnesses told the truth? When they sue one of His witnesses, it's like they are suing Jehovah. (Jesus also said "you did it to them, you did it to me.)

 

Jehovah is the True God, and the God of Truth. When witnesses speak truth, they are representing Jehovah.

 

When members of the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses sue Jehovah's witnesses for telling the truth, how do you think that is going to work out for them? 

 

(I guess they'll see how that works out for them when Jesus comes.)

[Pudgy]

It would take 100,000 words to respond to that in a fair to everybody manner … so I guess we all need forgiveness for our sins of commission … and omission, which are many. Besides, it would just be “for the record”, anyway.

That’s why I never aspired to be an Elder.

[John 12.24to28]

53 minutes ago, Pudgy said:

I guess we all need forgiveness for our sins of commission … and omission, which are many. 

 

Amen! ☺️

 

"There is something distressing that I have seen under the sun, the sort of mistake made by those in power:  Foolishness is put in many high positions, but the rich remain in low positions. I have seen servants on horseback but princes walking on foot just like servants."

 

I have seen many immature prideful tyrants "serve" as "elders" and I have seen many brave and loving mature older brothers "not serving" as "elders". 

 

Jehovah can distinguish between the title and the man.

 

So can some of the sheep (mostly the ones that got bit by the wolves).

 

Jacob had twelve sons. Ten of them attempted to murder or were complicit in the kidnapping of their brother Joseph, because their works were wicked and his were righteous. Later, Joseph and Jacob forgave those ten wicked men, and all of them got an inheritance in the promised land. Joseph helped feed them and their families. The foundation of Israel includes those ten sons who earlier wanted Joseph dead.

 

The ransom blood is enough for all of us. The family will be healed. May Jehovah be praised for the riches of His undeserved kindness.

[Pudgy]

1 hour ago, boyle said:

You don't believe Jehovah would be happy if we repented? I think he would.

Nothing about what I said even remotely suggested that.

[Pudgy]

… and it begins, again ….

[John 12.24to28]

47 minutes ago, boyle said:

1 hour ago, AudreyAnnaNana said:

Jehovah doesn't need anyone's permission to send someone as one of His Witnesses.

No, but a fellow does if they wish to be a true follower. Remember, we carry Jehovah's name with pride, and god is proud of that. We need Jehovah, god doesn't need us.

 

I don't know what you are talking about. Jehovah is "Our Father", not our taskmaster/business-manager. You don't have to ask His "permission" to be His witness. You're getting it mixed up. We witness because He gives us the holy spirit; we don't witness because we fill out a request form permission slip and follow a flowchart. We witness because we love Him and what He stands for and because we're proud of Him. We don't carry Jehovah's name. He carries us.

 

47 minutes ago, boyle said:

1 hour ago, AudreyAnnaNana said:

Jehovah's name doesn't belong to a corporation. It belongs to Jehovah.

A corporation makes god's name known. I don't see a discrepancy with that, do you? 

 

A business corporation can't be one of Jehovah's witnesses. A business corporation can't love anybody. A business corporation is an imperfect man-made institution with roots in this world. It is not made in God's image. It is not set up like a family. It is set up like a business corporation. If you can't see the discrepancy, you must be blind. There's a lot of that blindness-thing going around these days, but Jesus will open everybody's eyes soon enough.

 

47 minutes ago, boyle said:

1 hour ago, AudreyAnnaNana said:

If a corporation wants to say they represent Jehovah, and then Jehovah sends a witness who doesn't belong to that corporation, does the corporation have the right to sue Jehovah because one of His witnesses told the truth? When they sue one of His witnesses, it's like they are suing Jehovah. (Jesus also said "you did it to them, you did it to me.)

Jehovah, doesn't, the corporation does have every right under the law that happens to be given the authority by Jehovah. Do you see the bible as a challenge?

 

The Pharisees had "the right" to do business in the temple by means of their own laws. Jesus came to show them that their laws were not approved by God. Jesus will also show how God feels about the business corporation aspect of all those who claim to be Jehovah's witnesses.

 

47 minutes ago, boyle said:

1 hour ago, AudreyAnnaNana said:

Jehovah is the True God, and the God of Truth. When witnesses speak truth, they are representing Jehovah.

This observation is correct up to a certain point. Many witnesses that faded away don't support bible truth anymore. They usually dance around it.

 

Being one of Jehovah's witnesses is not a matter of being written down on a manmade list somewhere. David was still a witness of Jehovah when he was living in the wilderness, even though King Saul who sat on Jehovah's throne considered David a fugitive and a criminal. David still had Jehovah's holy spirit during that time. Jehovah knows who belongs to Him.

 

47 minutes ago, boyle said:

1 hour ago, AudreyAnnaNana said:

When members of the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses sue Jehovah's witnesses for telling the truth, how do you think that is going to work out for them? 

Are you asking my opinion? If you are, I would say, we all need a complete picture in order to come up with any sound conclusion. Are we dealing with god's law, or man's law to begin with?

I haven't heard a Jehovah's Witness being sued because of the bible. Have you?

 

"sue, verb - TAKE LEGAL ACTION AGAINST, take to court, bring an action against; charge, prosecute, prefer/bring charges against, bring to trial, summons, indict, arraign." (Oxford American Writer's Thesaurus)

 

Jesus, for one.

 

Countless faithful anointed ones throughout the centuries (we mentioned Wycliffe earlier for example.)

 

How many faithful witnesses of Jehovah have been taken to court in the congregation setting judicial process and disfellowshipped for maintaining integrity to what the Bible says?

 

If you say you haven't heard of any of these things, I will say you are not only blind but also need your hearing checked. 

 

47 minutes ago, boyle said:

1 hour ago, AudreyAnnaNana said:

(I guess they'll see how that works out for them when Jesus comes.)

You can be assured of that. We will all be judged in the end for our own actions.

 

Yes, by the Beloved One, Jehovah, and His Faithful Witness Jesus Who Always Judges Righteously Just Like His Father.💖

[John 12.24to28]

(Spirit creatures don't need to sleep, but I do. Hope you guys have a good rest of your night.🙂)

[Pudgy]

39 minutes ago, boyle said:

I don't get it. Are you saying I can't express my opinion?

Nothing about what I said even remotely suggested that.

[Pudgy]

1 hour ago, boyle said:

Is there a forum where I can express my opinion? I would appreciate being directed to it.

Yes, the way you want to do it would be available on IRC, with the “Igloo” iPhone App, on the DALNET network, in the “Christiandebate” chat room. There are usually about 20 or so regulars there, and when I was there for 15 or more years got into some intense knock-down drag-out debates. It works better on a PC using the program MIRC, which is incredibly versatile. Same addresses.

There are chat rooms for JWs, Baptists, Catholics, Pacifists, Nazis, and people discussing carnal knowledge of oysters and squids be you so inclined. Years ago DALNET had about 20,000 different topic chat rooms.

It is not for the timid, and much like hand to hand combat, figuratively, you can get chewed up if you try to BS them, or cannot prove your premises.

I stop by every 3 years or so … same ol’ crowd, and I am only one of two who believe JW core beliefs, and they are always happy to see me. I challenge everything they believe … a battle ensues.

Good times for all!

(… conversations I had in 1997 are still being copied and bouncing around the Internet  -  I checked.)

 

[Pudgy]

… this is from the ChatGBT AI.

 

If you want, you can start your own chat room or “channel” for free, with whatever topic you want, and as owner and creator, set whatever rules you want, with the means to discipline or eject as you see fit.