Should true Christians use the word "Disaster"?

[TrueTomHarley]

24 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

Changing it to Yahweh could just be seen as pretentious at this point.

I like this.

24 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

There are people who say Yeshua today, and it seems pretentious to me, even though it's a more accurate pronunciation.

Of course. 

Putting on airs is one of the most enduring human foibles of all time.

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

At my second marriage, it was in English AND Spanish, and I knew that James in Spanish was "Santiago", which has a nice solid sound to it, and which I was expecting, and I was surprised and slightly ticked off when the the Brother officiating the Spanish part referred to me as "Himee".

Who knew?

Did you know that "Woolyburger" does not translate at all to Spanish?

 

[TrueTomHarley]

1 minute ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

I knew that James in Spanish was "Santiago"

I didn’t know that. Good post, Himee.    

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

Grrrrr

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

And TTH wonders why i laugh so much.

@JW Insider spent a large contribution proving that YAHWEH was correct, then spends another one trying to justify the CCJW's use of Jehovah.

Facts are facts. The tetragrammaton is YHWH. No J and No V.  

JWI even admits that, "I only agree with the Watchtower publications that say Yahweh is more likely"

However JWI also says "Changing it to Yahweh could just be seen as pretentious at this point." 

You don't think it could be seen as 'New Light' then ? 

I see it as pretentious that the CCJW use a name that isn't correct and then tell everyone, that will listen, that it is Almighty God's real name and that is why the CCJW use it. They pretend they were inspired to use it, whilst at the same time, in the small print, they admit it's wrong. Hypocrisy. 

And what makes it more sad is that people will follow the GB and the CCJW no matter what they say. A good example being the 'Overlapping Generations'. 

Do they actually get anything right ? 

 1 hour ago, JW Insider said:

There are people who say Yeshua today, and it seems pretentious to me, even though it's a more accurate pronunciation.

So JWs don't want to pronounce anything accurately then ? 

What is the point of having this knowledge about anything, if you are too frightened to use it properly ? 

And the opposite end of the scale is the GB, the doesn't have knowledge but pretends to. 

I think the GB / W/t / CCJW is too busy trying to tickle ears, to bring the $ / £ in. 

 

[Arauna]

28 minutes ago, 4Jah2me said:

The tetragrammaton is YHWH. No J and No V.  

When you speak Hebrew or Arabic or some other semitic language - then I speak to you again...... you seem to think you are expert at  the difference between a "letter" and its "phonetical" pronunciation.

So yes have a good laugh - at yourself for not realizing that you do not know the difference. 

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

3 minutes ago, Arauna said:

When you speak Hebrew or Arabic or some other semitic language - then I speak to you again...... you seem to think you are expert at  the difference between a "letter" and its "phonetical" pronunciation.

So yes have a good laugh - at yourself for not realizing that you do not know the difference. 

I think @JW Insider has proven you wrong.

And the Watchtower writers, that you so much believe in, also say you are wrong.

But you are entitled to your own opinion of course. Have a good day. 

[Arauna]

19 minutes ago, 4Jah2me said:

believe

You are the one with blind faith in old information. The newest information is the discovery that more than 1000 Hebrew manuscripts in various libraries all over the world (including the oldest manuscripts in israel) have the point system in the name ( beyond doubt ) is "yehovah" for which the closest pronunciation in English  is jehovah.

[Arauna]

21 hours ago, JW Insider said:

exaggerating similar to the way Nehemiah Gordon exaggerates.

Exageration?  Gordon is a 'ancient'  Hebrew language  expert not a modern hebrew expert and he found that no-one had thought of doing  research to find ancient manuscripts which had the point system included  to determine the original pronunciation of God's name.  All he did was find the manuscripts which had the points in them which no-one noticed..... that is all.  No one had done any trouble to find them until now!  So all the old conjectures can be thrown out because  the oldest manuscripts do give conclusive answers.

[JW Insider]

10 minutes ago, Arauna said:

he found that no-one had thought of doing  research to find ancient manuscripts which had the point system included  to determine the original pronunciation of God's name

Actually, that's what literally THOUSANDS of people have done, specifically to determine the original pronunciation of God's name. He SAYS no one had thought of doing this kind of research, but he is just trying to get attention for himself. Evidently a lot of people have believed him.

He has never pointed to a manuscript that didn't already have exactly the vowel points that were expected. All the manuscripts he is finding are KNOWN manuscripts with the same vowel pointings that have been known for centuries among scholars.

And like I said these are NOT the oldest manuscripts. They are almost all from a THOUSAND YEARS after Jesus and the apostles. Some are even newer than that.

[JW Insider]

1 hour ago, 4Jah2me said:

I think @JW Insider has proven you wrong.

Please remember that we are not experts. What people like me say on a forum like this is my opinion. It might be based on facts, and it's possible that I don't understand all the facts. Please don't make such a big deal out of my opinion, no matter how strongly I believe it and state it.

[b4ucuhear]

On 4/9/2020 at 3:39 PM, TrueTomHarley said:

That is largely why I am distancing myself from this particular forum in favor ot the smaller one.

I tend to agree with that statement. It can appear that some of the questions, while feigning interest, are little more than "click-bait" trying to lure JW's into yet more counterproductive interchanges - to attack them and try to weaken their faith. It's a trap the way I see it. While examining the "facts" and how much merit opposing points of view may have, can be valid in my world, there comes a point where you know that with some people it will be just a pointless back-and-forth. They used to be with us but no longer are and I respect their choice to leave. But why would I want to engage with individuals who basically are their own religion? They have have their own personal and singular point of view, but are now on their own - while we as an organization continue to flourish. "Every plant that my heavenly Father did not plant will be uprooted. Let them be. Blind guides is what they are. If, then, a blind man guides a blind man, both will fall into the pit."

  "And another thing..." It appears that even the experts are in disagreement on exactly how the Divine Name should be pronounced - and this, still going on thousands of years later. It seems to me that the exact pronunciation of how it was originally pronounced is not as important as loving and acknowledging who the name identifies - regardless of whether we pronounce it exactly as it was thousands of years ago. My name is pronounced differently in many different languages, but I still know when I am being addressed and am not so thin-skinned so as to take offence if someone in a different language pronounces it differently from that of my native language. I still know when I am being called in a crowd of people if someone yells it in a different language. It would be entirely different if someone yelled a generic title like "hey Mister" which could refer to anyone. God's name is distinctive enough that most if not all people would know who is being referred to as the Supreme Deity regardless of how it is pronounced in their particular language. It seems to me to be similar to another "tempest-in-a-teapot" argument regarding whether Jesus died on a cross or on a stake. Who cares? The big picture is that his death means something very important to all imperfect humans and we should honour and remember that sacrifice. Not overshadow it with doctrinal posturing (I know both sides do that - I am not really concerned about cross vs stake except for when people find it necessary to act like they are worshipping it.)