I have barely seen a more stupid chart in my life

[Anna]

@James Thomas Rook Jr.

I don't quite know why, but you remind me of the character Douglas in the movie Bird Box, (played by John Malkowitch). He's an ornery son of a b... thinks he knows it all. In fact he does tell the group who are hiding from the monsters and doubt his rationale that: "I am NEVER wrong". The audience is thereby further convinced of Douglas' cynical but self aggradizing attitude and to stop him killing who he suspects has been "infected" the others tie him up. However, soon enough it becomes clear that Douglas was right after all....

But it's only a movie.

[TrueTomHarley]

3 minutes ago, Anna said:

played by John Malkowitch)

Check out John Malkovich playing Hercule Poirot. He offers a completely different take on him, poles apart from Suchet or even Finney.

[TrueTomHarley]

Ooh. Time out. I just noticed that you amended your initial response to me, @James Thomas Rook Jr. just about doubling it, and maybe making some of my reply not to the point.

You scream to high heaven when I do that.

Of course, that does not mean that I cease doing it.

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

20 hours ago, JW Insider said:

Thanks, but your post contained a lot more heavy lifting than I could offer. I hope your own experience is taken to heart by those who see things only in very stark 'black and white' terms. I hope that @4Jah2me reads it with an open mind and sees answers to his own questions and issues.

I read it and thought it was 'rubbish'.  If James wishes to serve the GB and it's Org that's his choice.

3.) QUESTION: "Will you support Jehovah and his Organization?"

ANSWER::" I always have. " ( correctly implying that I always will.)

Firstly I don't agree that the CCJW is God's Org, neither do I agree that Jehovah is God's real name.

So I could not even want to go back to it. It would be hypocrisy. 

However, either James or Tom said something about when a person leaves the CCJW they basically also stop believing God's written word. This is nonsense. Unfortunately it seems that 99% of JWs are misinformed about many people that leave the CCJW.  A lot of us, as James made clear, are leaving MEN, not leaving GOD or Christ. Just think on that for a moment. Stop being so 'up there' just because your GB are 'up there' in their own minds. 

This stupid idea that the CCJW is the Ark. This stupid idea that one 'has to be a baptised JW to be saved'.  This idea that we are in 'the final part of the final last days' 

The overlapping generations. The CSA problems Earthwide.

The wording and purpose of the baptism questions is wrong.  

The Bible Studies which are actually a book study from GB invented propaganda. The books that will later be rejected by the GB themselves because of pretend 'new light'. 

The ministry using magazines which misquote scientists, doctors et al. and misuse scripture. 

What is there to like about the present day CCJW ? What is there to remain in that org for ? The whole foundation of the CCJW has gone. The love and the mercy are lost.

I have proven to myself that i can still love God through Christ by not being a JW. In fact I am stronger now as an individual because i am not using the congregation as a crutch. I can think clearer now by not having to worry about what i think or say. And my conscience is clear because I'm not part of an organisation that causes harm to others. (Even James here recognises the harm caused to others) I could no longer do ministry with the intention of bringing people into such an immoral organisation that does not teach truth but hides wicked ones within. 

Just one last point. Some of you make excuses for your GB and your Elders, saying that they are just human and can 'err'.  Well the disciples / Apostles were also just human and could just as easily 'err'. Should we then discard the Bible ? Well the way you tell it, it was written by uneducated stroppy men. BUT, we know they had God's Holy Spirit. That's how they managed to give us the scriptures. However that is what is missing in the CCJW, the Holy Spirit. The GB do not have it nor do they get guided by it. So then going down the ranks the Elders also do not receive it either. And nothing can be done properly, on God's behalf, without Holy Spirit. 

That is what I see and that is the main reason I am not a JW. 

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

12 hours ago, Anna said:

I don't quite know why, but you remind me of the character Douglas in the movie Bird Box, (played by John Malkowitch). He's an ornery son of a b... thinks he knows it all. In fact he does tell the group who are hiding from the monsters and doubt his rationale that: "I am NEVER wrong".

I looked it up, and it is supposed to be a Science Fiction movie, but it appears to actually be a vulgar, violent, gory horror movie. (.?)

Did Douglas survive the movie? I suspect many did nor, but I do not watch deliberate horror

( I try to be never wrong ... it is EVER so embarrassing ... even if I am the only one that knows. ).

I did watch Stephen King's "Carrie", on TV, with Sissy Spacek, before I knew who Stephen King was, and it was advertised as a horror movie ( which I did not know), but I found t to be a Science Fiction (Telekenisis) movie.

Stephen King's wife actually gave the "woman's viewpoint", that created the character Carrie, in the beginning. She was emptying the trash, and saw his awful, discarded and crumpled up book manuscript, and offered to help.

 

[Anna]

1 hour ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

I looked it up, and it is supposed to be a Science Fiction movie, but it appears to actually be a vulgar, violent, gory horror movie. (.?)

Did Douglas survive the movie? I suspect many did nor, but I do not watch deliberate horror

I thought it was supposed to be science fiction of sorts, like Aliens, that type. I only decided to watch it because it had some good actors in it, like Malkowitch and Sandra Bullock. And no, Douglas did not survive. He dies because he wasn't wrong about the person who he suspected was dangerous. 

[TrueTomHarley]

8 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

I looked it up, and it is supposed to be a Science Fiction movie, but it appears to actually be a vulgar, violent, gory horror movie.

The best cure for never ever watching that type of stuff is to have a job in which you are all alone, middle of the night, in some big creaky warehouse, and you begin to imagine a surprise around every corner or through every door.

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

In Richmond Virginia, I once knew a Pioneer Brother who "worked" at nights in a funeral home, merely as a someone to be there with the stiffs, as apparently family or someone wanted someone there.  He LITERALLY got paid to sleep.

I thought of several practical jokes to play on him, but they were all too much work.

[JW Insider]

1 hour ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

I once knew

At Bethel in Brooklyn all brothers would be periodically assigned to either a few hours of after-dinner dish duty or a whole night of guard duty, which entailed walking through totally dark floors in the factories at Squibb (25/30 Columbia Heights) or the 4 main factories at 117 Adams. You would try not to bump into anything as you searched for "key boxes" with a flashlight. Then you'd turn a key and go on to find the next key box, using a page of ambiguous instructions instead of a map. If all the key boxes were hit correctly and in a timely manner every night, the Society could save a lot on insurance. Being the kind of non-sleeper that I am, I never did dish duty, and always swapped it for guard duty.

I was shown where a brother, 20-some years earlier, emptied 6 rounds into a roll of printing paper because he didn't know that rolls of paper can expand and contract due to temperature changes and the pops they make can sound like gunfire. 25 to 30 years earlier the Bethelites could still carry a gun on guard duty. This probably stopped in the 1950's, I'm not sure. It probably stopped soon after that shootout with the paper roll. 

[Evacuated]

On 4/21/2020 at 4:15 AM, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

The only thing I consider when reading "..this generation will not pass away until all these things occur" ... is what did the Apostles understand it meant when Jesus said it to them?

Whilst this an excellent contextual question, the apostles' understanding of what Jesus said is hardly a sole criteria for understanding what Jesus said, John 14:9.

[TrueTomHarley]

6 hours ago, JW Insider said:

25 to 30 years earlier the Bethelites could still carry a gun on guard duty. This probably stopped in the 1950's,

Wasn’t that the day that JTR quit Bethel?

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

13 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

20 hours ago, JW Insider said:

25 to 30 years earlier the Bethelites could still carry a gun on guard duty. This probably stopped in the 1950's,

Wasn’t that the day that JTR quit Bethel?

Good comeback!, and funny, too!

But cereally folks, I started studying the Truth in the 1960's,, and it was about the mid-60's that I noticed that a different culture was evolving.  Back then, if a JW family broke up, it was usually the husband left the wife for another woman, and the Society taught at that time that if a brother was a homosexual, or had sex with animals, it was NOT pornea, and she had no grounds for divorce. 

I am sure this caused a LOT of misery and suffering.

Today in the "pillowgate video" , the brother stated that if two Bethelites are sitting in facing chairs, naked, watching each other masturbate, that is also NOT pornea, because no one is touching another person.. I have posted that here, many times, so I will not do it again.

It is seriously creepy. Even the specificity of that is seriously creepy. Makes me wonder who got caught that could not be disfellowshipped.

The point of the above is that there are good reasons why I keep my own counsel on the matter of keeping and bearing arms, and being ready to defend the innocent at all times, and not pay too much attention to those in authority that have a long record of being seriously creepy ... and wrong.