Joseph the Dreamer

[Space Merchant]

@TrueTomHarley A bit related, but regarding children, teach one, reach one, and in turn they do the same. Raising children to do good, the right way, as is, with informing and teaching them of dangers of this world, in turn, they can and will avoid said dangers. Even during this pandemic, the children of whom I was with for a long time even for those who are not by blood and of different races, they learn from example, and what they've learn, they are able to teach others, something of which of what I mention time and time again about solutions regarding children and some going into adulthood. The thing is, some children, especially within my culture, they represent of whom they originate from, i.e. if let's say Smith Baptiste, he represents his family, for whether his actions are good or bad, it not only falls on him, but his family line. Stuff like this is taken seriously, even as said young one progresses into adulthood.

[Kosonen]

@TrueTomHarley Interesting that you bring up the story about Joseph. On an other forum one wrote that WT organization has been bringing up this story in recent times and that person could not understand the point of that. But I believe Jehovah God is directing this to remind of this example from the past. Because maybe Joseph foreshadows a moder-day "Joseph" figure so that when he will be put in charge he would be welcomed by the brotherhood of Jehovah's witnesses.

 

[TrueTomHarley]

“C'est moi! C'est moi, I blush to disclose.

I'm far too noble to lie.

That man in whom

These qualities bloom,

C'est moi, c'est moi, 'tis I.”

[Space Merchant]

@Kosonen The story of Joseph has always been brought up by everyone, especially due to the fact the lessons to be learnt regarding this current day and age, mainly when it comes to being peaceable, as is with confronting immorality, that can cause men and women to stumble.

@TrueTomHarley Yes - We all can learn from Joseph, but not everyone takes said lessons to heart, we have examples on this forums already.

[TrueTomHarley]

2 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

We all can learn from Joseph, but not everyone takes said lessons to heart, we have examples on this forums already

It is a light post that I wrote, but the part about Joseph taking interest in others even in the prison hole is a lesson for the ages. Same with how, even when he suffered serious reversals, Jehovah was always with him.

[Kosonen]

10 hours ago, Kosonen said:

Because maybe Joseph foreshadows a moder-day "Joseph" figure so that when he will be put in charge he would be welcomed by the brotherhood of Jehovah's witnesses.

In that case it should be an unjustly disfellowshipped brother to fit the comparation with Joseph, don't you agree?

[Anna]

On 5/20/2020 at 1:37 PM, JW Insider said:

That scared me again, immediately, and I almost said it as a response to her. But it would not have been understood as a serious concern in a context where I was still expressing the same opinion on that topic. It would have seemed disingenuous, or manipulating. Still, I worry about where a discussion with her husband might end up. What about her children? What about her reputation in the congregation?

Let me put your mind at ease, I, like you, know when to keep my mouth shut. There are doctrinal interpretations that I have considered incorrect, and some which are pointed out to me and I now consider incorrect, but who am I to start making waves about it? 607, 1914, peace and security, the generation....and so on, do not nullify, or undermine, the fundamental core of what it means to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses and do not, actually should not,  undermine ones relationship with God. At least not for me. Heck, if I can read Ray's books and still be o.k, that says it all I think. 

If I discern something really WRONG then I will speak, but so far, this has not happened....

[TrueTomHarley]

On 5/20/2020 at 5:51 PM, JW Insider said:

I did notice that you were quoted and referenced, albeit, anonymously in B.W.Schulz and R.M.de Vienne. Perhaps there is a future in collaborations.

This I don’t know about. I was referenced ‘anonymously?’ Well.....it’s a start. 

I followed RM on Twitter. After she died, BW became active on it. He expressly states that he steers clear of FB and IG for all the “idiots” on it, but he allows that Twitter is a nice distraction—it is like the background chatter in a coffee house. 

There was a time when I thought neither of them liked me very much, but I have since come to think it was just due to their being no-nonsense researchers who think that humor in research is an abomination, and note that I have no such aversion. He is steadily warming. In answer to my post about Woodstock and how it was held during a pandemic, he tweeted that he and his “antique wife” were pulling the leg of his nephew, giving the young man to believe that they had been there, apparently toking up with rest of them. He then threw in the unnecessary detail that he later fessed up and told the truth.

[Space Merchant]

11 hours ago, Kosonen said:

In that case it should be an unjustly disfellowshipped brother to fit the comparation with Joseph, don't you agree?

Regarding excommunication, to help people return to God yes, however, if the person dwells in Apostasy and or other, it is impossible to reach such a person.

 

11 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

It is a light post that I wrote, but the part about Joseph taking interest in others even in the prison hole is a lesson for the ages. Same with how, even when he suffered serious reversals, Jehovah was always with him.

Yes, God knows who is for him and who is not. The common man is capable of somehow knowing who is on God's side, but that is where the they are at a lost.

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

Quote @JW Insider Also there is a difference in not being honest and being dishonest. One may not be honest without realizing it, through sloppy research, biased thinking, misunderstanding, steeped in tradition etc. When something comes across as dishonest, I have stated the case to persons in responsible positions who will understand the problem. I don't treat anything as if there was purposeful dishonesty.

Quote @JW Insider  We have quite simply used a false definition of "generation." This is not honest. It brings shame and reproach on Jehovah's name and on the organization and brotherhood that we love. It is clearly a stretching of the definition beyond what is legitimately possible, and is apparently done so out of presumptuousness and haughtiness, which is always easier than humbly admitting that we just don't know. It is also based on a feeling that rank-and-file Witnesses can't be trusted to keep urgently busy and alert unless someone is reminding them of how close the end might be. *

* (see 1975 below ) 

If, this was clearly a stretching of the definition beyond what is legitimately possible, and if it was done out of presumptuousness and haughtiness, then it WAS DISHONEST. 

So I hope you have "stated the case to persons in responsible positions who will understand the problem" 

It's nice that you don't judge anything as 'purposefully dishonest' but there must come a time when truth has to be told. 

As for this is bit, I quote  : -

It is also based on a feeling that rank-and-file Witnesses can't be trusted to keep urgently busy and alert unless someone is reminding them of how close the end might be.

Reminder of the 1975 fiasco then. And, in the March 15, 1980 Watchtower the Society said its claims about 1975 were regretted.

[Anna]

21 hours ago, Kosonen said:

On an other forum one wrote that WT organization has been bringing up this story in recent times and that person could not understand the point of that.

Well its been part of the weekly Bible reading for May. We started over again in January (Genesis) All you have to do is look at the midweek workbook....no mystery there. 

[TrueTomHarley]

15 minutes ago, Anna said:

Well its been part of the weekly Bible reading for May. We started over again in January (Genesis) All you have to do is look at the midweek workbook....no mystery there. 

Had my former prophesy been heeded that the end would come prior to January because we had reached the end of our current Bible reading schedule and it was too inconvenient to make everyone start again at Genesis, we wouldn’t be in this pickle.