"PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK JEHOVAH", FOR USDA FOOD BOXES

[Witness]

4 hours ago, Emma Rose said:

The dust on the scales should not push ahead 2 John 1:9

2 John 1:9 – “Anyone who does not remain in Christ’s teaching but goes beyond it, does not have God. The one who remains in that teaching, this one has both the Father and the Son.”

I like this scripture, because it concentrates on Christ’s teachings, not the doctrines of men.  There is a lot said about doctrine that deviates from the teachings of Christ.  His teachings are sound doctrine, which the apostles stressed for us to adhere to.

“Now I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause dissensions and obstacles contrary to the doctrine you have learned. Avoid them, ¹⁸ for such people do not serve our Lord Christ but their own appetites. They deceive the hearts of the unsuspecting with smooth talk and flattering words.” Rom 16:17,18

“If anyone teaches other doctrine and does not agree with the sound teaching of our Lord Jesus Christ and with the teaching that promotes godliness, he is conceited, understanding nothing, but has a sick interest in disputes and arguments over words. From these come envy, quarreling, slander, evil suspicions, ⁵ and constant disagreement among people whose minds are depraved and deprived of the truth, who imagine that godliness is a way to material gain.” 1 Tim 6:4,5

“For the time will come when they will not tolerate sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, will multiply teachers for themselves because they have an itch to hear something new.”  2 Tim 4:3

3 hours ago, Emma Rose said:

The "light getting brighter" requires humility that waits on Jehovah to give His servants their food at the allotted time.  It also allows for a refining of His people.  

So, every time the organization’s leadership uses Prov 4:18 to cover failed doctrine that had no light to begin with, it cannot be said that Holy Spirit played a part in its development, from teaching's beginning to what it has changed into now.   You have an extensive list of doctrine outside of the teachings of Christ.  The generation teaching is just one of them. The "faithful slave" is another. 

3 hours ago, Emma Rose said:

What an absolute genius Jehovah is.  1 Cor 2:14

 “Beliefs Clarified” does not show the genius of God, Emma.  It shows the foolishness of men, who choose to remain in darkness.

"But the person without the Spirit does not receive what comes from God’s Spirit, because it is foolishness to him; he is not able to understand it since it is evaluated spiritually."

 

[Srecko Sostar]

4 hours ago, Emma Rose said:

The dust on the scales should not push ahead 2 John 1:9

Part 2.

2 John 1:9 – “Anyone who does not remain in Christ’s teaching but goes beyond it, does not have God. The one who remains in that teaching, this one has both the Father and the Son.”

It would help if you or some other JW member put here a list of Christ's teachings. Start with No. 1 please and take as much numbers you need to show all the teachings of Jesus. You can, if you need, name them as "core teachings", and if you find some Chris't teachings as less important, please put them in second list. 

After that, please make another list of WT past teachings and actual WT teachings. You can also do the same thing, because some JW's claims are, how "core teachings" were and are always the same, despite of "Beliefs Clarified" list by WTJWorg Official web. - https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200277174 , and all publications published till today.

It would be nice if you and other JW members delete that "dust" you speaking about.

After such task done, we all here will be able to compare two entities in 2. John 1:9, aka

Jesus Scale with/vs WTJWorg Scale 

 

 

[Witness]

14 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

After such task done, we all here will be able to compare two entities in 2. John 1:9, aka

Jesus Scale with/vs WTJWorg Scale 

That, is an ingenious idea! 

[Emma Rose]

1 hour ago, Witness said:

2 John 1:9 – “Anyone who does not remain in Christ’s teaching but goes beyond it, does not have God. The one who remains in that teaching, this one has both the Father and the Son.”

I like this scripture, because it concentrates on Christ’s teachings, not the doctrines of men.  There is a lot said about doctrine that deviates from the teachings of Christ.  His teachings are sound doctrine, which the apostles stressed for us to adhere to.

“Now I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause dissensions and obstacles contrary to the doctrine you have learned. Avoid them, ¹⁸ for such people do not serve our Lord Christ but their own appetites. They deceive the hearts of the unsuspecting with smooth talk and flattering words.” Rom 16:17,18

“If anyone teaches other doctrine and does not agree with the sound teaching of our Lord Jesus Christ and with the teaching that promotes godliness, he is conceited, understanding nothing, but has a sick interest in disputes and arguments over words. From these come envy, quarreling, slander, evil suspicions, ⁵ and constant disagreement among people whose minds are depraved and deprived of the truth, who imagine that godliness is a way to material gain.” 1 Tim 6:4,5

“For the time will come when they will not tolerate sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, will multiply teachers for themselves because they have an itch to hear something new.”  2 Tim 4:3

So, every time the organization’s leadership uses Prov 4:18 to cover failed doctrine that had no light to begin with, it cannot be said that Holy Spirit played a part in its development, from teaching's beginning to what it has changed into now.   You have an extensive list of doctrine outside of the teachings of Christ.  The generation teaching is just one of them. The "faithful slave" is another. 

 “Beliefs Clarified” does not show the genius of God, Emma.  It shows the foolishness of men, who choose to remain in darkness.

"But the person without the Spirit does not receive what comes from God’s Spirit, because it is foolishness to him; he is not able to understand it since it is evaluated spiritually."

 

You have yet to provide some kind of proof for your claim concerning riches.  If you cannot, then you fit your own bill written here.

[Emma Rose]

19 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Part 2.

2 John 1:9 – “Anyone who does not remain in Christ’s teaching but goes beyond it, does not have God. The one who remains in that teaching, this one has both the Father and the Son.”

It would help if you or some other JW member put here a list of Christ's teachings. Start with No. 1 please and take as much numbers you need to show all the teachings of Jesus. You can, if you need, name them as "core teachings", and if you find some Chris't teachings as less important, please put them in second list. 

After that, please make another list of WT past teachings and actual WT teachings. You can also do the same thing, because some JW's claims are, how "core teachings" were and are always the same, despite of "Beliefs Clarified" list by WTJWorg Official web. - https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200277174 , and all publications published till today.

It would be nice if you and other JW members delete that "dust" you speaking about.

After such task done, we all here will be able to compare two entities in 2. John 1:9, aka

Jesus Scale with/vs WTJWorg Scale 

 

 

Why would we find some of Christ's teachings "less important", that is the sort of thinking that paves the way for going beyond it.

[Srecko Sostar]

44 minutes ago, Emma Rose said:

Why would we find some of Christ's teachings "less important", that is the sort of thinking that paves the way for going beyond it.

Please, don't be angry at me. Expression "core teachings" is in JW vocabulary and some JW participants here using this terminology to show how JW religion is same as 1st Congregation. With that in mind, logically, JW have teachings, also, that are not "core". In fact, many regulations and instructions inside WTJWorg are men made teachings and instructions, and by that they are, obviously "less important" for your faith, but important for Organization.  

With that in mind, i said "less important" in connection to Christ's teachings, because Religious system of particular church/organization, in our example WT,  lowered the importance of some Jesus’ teachings and replaced them with "more important" human traditions.

[Emma Rose]

What makes you think I'm angry with you, not at all.  All Christ's teachings are important.  Throughout scripture Jehovah has given instruction, often more appropriate at a certain point in time than another.  I suspect that the term core teachings, covers the basics and anything else may be what is learnt at a time more appropriate than another.  Milk and solid food for example.

[Witness]

6 hours ago, Emma Rose said:

You have yet to provide some kind of proof for your claim concerning riches.  If you cannot, then you fit your own bill written here.

Firstly, you may want to consider this quote from God’s Kingdom Rules! p. 195-196, and then remember repetitive "begging" for money by your leaders.    

Jehovah’s people do not beg for money. They do not pass collection plates or send out letters of solicitation. Neither do they use bingo, bazaars, or raffles to raise money. They hold to what the Watch Tower long ago said: “We have never considered it proper to solicit money for the Lord’s cause, after the common custom . . . It is our judgment that money raised by the various begging devices in the name of our Lord is offensive, unacceptable to him, and does not bring his blessing either upon the givers or the work accomplished.”* The Watch Tower, August 1, 1899, page 201.

Secondly, and in relationship to this post, many who were told that the food boxes came from “Jehovah”, were also told to think about thanking him by donating to the organization.  These are food boxes generally provided for people with little money.  Why would “donating” even be mentioned?

Thirdly, you can see my full answer here:

 

[Witness]

7 hours ago, Emma Rose said:

Why would we find some of Christ's teachings "less important", that is the sort of thinking that paves the way for going beyond it.

By teaching that an organization, filled with corruption, in Satan's world will bring JWs salvation, Jesus as the only Way, Truth, and Life, has become less important. (John 14:6; 4:21-24) God's Temple priesthood has become less important. (Matt 16:18) God's Temple has no meaning, but the organization...JWs cannot live without. 

That's just the beginning of your organization's full rejection of Christ's teachings.  By looking to the brainstorm of men, your leaders have paved the way for going beyond the teachings of Christ.  

"Come to Jehovah's organization for salvation" Watchtower 1981 Nov 15 p.212

"Salvation is to be found through him alone; in all the world there is no one else whom God has given who can save us.”  Acts 4:12

"They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served something created instead of the Creator, who is praised forever. Amen." Rom 1:25

 

 

 

[Srecko Sostar]

11 hours ago, Emma Rose said:

Throughout scripture Jehovah has given instruction, often more appropriate at a certain point in time than another.  I suspect that the term core teachings, covers the basics and anything else may be what is learnt at a time more appropriate than another.  Milk and solid food for example.

¹⁷ Today’s watchman class has likewise had to clarify its views from time to time. Can anyone doubt, though, that Jehovah has blessed the ‘faithful slave’? Besides, viewed in context, are not most of the adjustments that have occurred relatively small? Our basic understanding of the Bible has not changed. Our conviction that we are living in the last days is stronger than ever! -https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1997604

I would like to direct your attention on this paragraph from WT 1997 study edition article. 

On one side you commented how JHVH' and Jesus' instructions are given in different time for different or certain purpose. Can you explain why would be how some "given instruction" in 1st century, be it more appropriate at a certain point of their or our time and some not? I believe how whole set of Jesus' teachings and instructions are good and appropriate for whole and each period of human lifetime. 

But this WT quote give answer why (perhaps you) JW members think differently about this. Because the need to "clarify  own  (watchman class aka GB) views came and coming from the reason they don't teach Jesus' or JHVH' teachings but own human doctrines.  

I guess, we have no need to adjust teachings from Bible, but in WTJWorg example, GB had/have need to adjust own interpretations about own teachings.  

For example, do we need to "adjust" God's teaching (law) about slavery to our time? No, because we don't want slavery today! So, we reject any past law (even if it was divine) that supported slavery. 

We are in position to follow or to not follow teachings and instructions revealed in Bible. 

Quote from WT say: Our basic understanding of the Bible has not changed. Our conviction that we are living in the last days is stronger than ever!

Here we have next thing. Author of article made self conviction how their (and all JW's) "basic understanding" (aka core understanding  /core=basic, central, key, fundamental, elemental, principal/) about something has not changed. And then continue with one basic or core JW teaching -  about "last days".

This Study article put accent on "basic understanding" that JW members strongly believe: Resurrection, Keep on Watch, Everlasting Life, Eternal Future, End is Close at Hand, Put Your Trust in Watchman aka GB.

Also have in mind that this is from the year 1997, that is 83 years after 1914 (Generation Doctrine).

And 13 years after famous WT study article: 1914—The Generation That Will Not Pass Away -https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1984361 

WTJWorg basic doctrine, let say, No 1, according to article: End is Close at Hand, that was based on other basic doctrine, let say, No 2: 1914-The Generation That Will Not Pass Away, ........ are both false, because each supported the other. You are aware of fact how 1914 Generation is replaced with Overlapping Generation. 

According to your understanding what is what in this case?! Milk and solid food or "to call a spade a spade" aka false teachings?

 

[Emma Rose]

8 hours ago, Witness said:

Firstly, you may want to consider this quote from God’s Kingdom Rules! p. 195-196, and then remember repetitive "begging" for money by your leaders.    

Jehovah’s people do not beg for money. They do not pass collection plates or send out letters of solicitation. Neither do they use bingo, bazaars, or raffles to raise money. They hold to what the Watch Tower long ago said: “We have never considered it proper to solicit money for the Lord’s cause, after the common custom . . . It is our judgment that money raised by the various begging devices in the name of our Lord is offensive, unacceptable to him, and does not bring his blessing either upon the givers or the work accomplished.”* The Watch Tower, August 1, 1899, page 201.

Secondly, and in relationship to this post, many who were told that the food boxes came from “Jehovah”, were also told to think about thanking him by donating to the organization.  These are food boxes generally provided for people with little money.  Why would “donating” even be mentioned?

Thirdly, you can see my full answer here:

 

The book is absolutely right, they do not beg for money.

Maybe some brothers and sisters might come by some kind of windfall and choose to donate, that is their choice and nothing to do with you or me.  I've been a JW for .....years, certainly long enough to know what goes on and I've never been begged for what belongs to Jehovah to begin with.  

What's your story?

Still waiting for your proof concerning riches.

[Emma Rose]

8 hours ago, Witness said:

By teaching that an organization, filled with corruption, in Satan's world will bring JWs salvation, Jesus as the only Way, Truth, and Life, has become less important. (John 14:6; 4:21-24) God's Temple priesthood has become less important. (Matt 16:18) God's Temple has no meaning, but the organization...JWs cannot live without. 

That's just the beginning of your organization's full rejection of Christ's teachings.  By looking to the brainstorm of men, your leaders have paved the way for going beyond the teachings of Christ.  

"Come to Jehovah's organization for salvation" Watchtower 1981 Nov 15 p.212

"Salvation is to be found through him alone; in all the world there is no one else whom God has given who can save us.”  Acts 4:12

"They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served something created instead of the Creator, who is praised forever. Amen." Rom 1:25

 

 

 

Ah I see, your emphasis is on Christ alone with Jehovah in the background?

We live by Christ's teachings, that is what it means to be a Christian.