Musing on prayer

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

18 hours ago, xero said:

But no matter what as individuals we have limits (unless or until Jehovah opens more doors to our perceptions).

Almighty God will open up 'more doors' to the True Anointed remnant, to lead HIS people. Jesus opened up the scriptures to his disciples. 

[TrueTomHarley]

23 minutes ago, Witness said:

Maybe Sir Isaac Newton was anointed.

He set the date of the end at 2060. Be there and you can razz him as a hypocrite and liar, as you do the GB here.

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

16 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Someone says, “but I want to talk to Jesus.” Rather than be guided by scripture which, strangely or not, seems to make no allowance for it,

I am totally in agreement with you on this Tom.  Prayer should be to God through Christ....

NOT to Jesus Christ or anyone else.  

[TrueTomHarley]

1 minute ago, 4Jah2me said:

I am totally in agreement with you on this Tom.  Prayer should be to God through Christ....

NOT to Jesus Christ or anyone else.  

An olive branch from 4Jah? I’ll take it. It doesn’t happen too often.

[Witness]

4 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

He set the date of the end at 2060. Be there and you can razz him as a hypocrite and liar, as you do the GB here.

He wouldn't be the first barking dog in the neighborhood, and most definitely, not the last.

[Witness]

15 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Then we have in John 14 6; Jesus said to him, “I am the way + and the truth + and the life. + No one comes to the Father except through me.
But we also have John 6 44; No man can come to me unless the Father, who sent me, draws him, ..

Thank you for these scriptures. 

God sends those whose hearts desire to serve Him, to Jesus.  Without knowing Jesus and his teachings, we cannot fully come to know God.  Jesus is the pivotal point in our worship in spirit and truth.  (John 4:23,24)

“All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him." Matt 11:27

This takes a relationship with Christ in order to know the Father.  No one can establish a valuable relationship with anyone, without communication.  

The apostle Paul was a human being who spoke to Jesus twice after his resurrection that we know of...besides the vision he experienced.  How can one man, as well as Stephen, have the privilege of speaking to Jesus, but no other person is allowed to?

"Therefore, in order to keep me from becoming conceited, I was given a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of Satan, to torment me. 8 Three times I pleaded with the Lord to take it away from me. 

This is communication, but with whom?

9 But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” 

Who's power?

"Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me. 10 That is why, for Christ’s sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong."  2 Cor 12:7b-10

Jesus and Paul were communicating through prayer.

 

 

 

[xero]

Isaac Newton may have had Aspergers. He seemed really misanthropic and vindictive in his dealings with people. He had people drawn and quartered who were counterfeiters, and if true, he also didn't invent the calculus, but Leibniz did. Some suggest we know more about Newton because he outlived people he later trashed after they were dead.

Was he anointed? If so, not for his advertised christian character or qualities.

My thoughts on anointed in the past is that we'll eventually find out they were unremarkable from a modern human's historical viewpoint. Probably humble people. Maybe not even particularly bright.

[Pudgy]

3 hours ago, xero said:

My thoughts on anointed in the past is that we'll eventually find out they were unremarkable from a modern human's historical viewpoint. Probably humble people. Maybe not even particularly bright.

I saw the movie "Braveheart" .... there is a lot to be said for living a dull, slow, unremarkable life ...., uh .... as opposed to being drawn and quartered.

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

On 3/20/2021 at 12:55 PM, Witness said:

"Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me. 

Most gladly, then, I will boast about my weaknesses, in order that the power of the Christ may remain over me like a tent

A bit different in translation and meaning I think. 

 

On 3/20/2021 at 12:55 PM, Witness said:

10 That is why, for Christ’s sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong." 

 So I take pleasure in weaknesses, in insults, in times of need, in persecutions and difficulties, for Christ. For when I am weak, then I am powerful.

 

 

[Witness]

5 hours ago, xero said:

My thoughts on anointed in the past is that we'll eventually find out they were unremarkable from a modern human's historical viewpoint. Probably humble people. Maybe not even particularly bright.

That is true.  But isn’t it quite remarkable what GB has done!  They have put themselves in the limelight, and express the need to trust them!  Look what they have accomplished and built.  And of course, the decrees they pass down must be obeyed. 

I am being flippant, because the description you give of an anointed one does not fit the “anointed” leadership of the organization who glorify themselves before cameras, and before God.  Who have proclaimed that they will be with Christ before the final judgment has arrived.  Men, who expects obedience to their errors.

 ^“Brothers and sisters, consider what you were when God called you to be Christians. Not many of you were wise from a human point of view. You were not in powerful positions or in the upper social classes. ²⁷ But God chose what the world considers nonsense to put wise people to shame. God chose what the world considers weak to put what is strong to shame. ²⁸ God chose what the world considers ordinary and what it despises—what it considers to be nothing—in order to destroy what it considers to be something. ²⁹ As a result, no one can brag in God’s presence. ³⁰ You are partners with Christ Jesus because of God. Jesus has become our wisdom sent from God, our approval, our holiness, and our ransom from sin. ³¹ As Scripture says, “Whoever brags must brag about what the Lord has done.” 1 Cor 1:26-31

These men, won’t last.  Rev 17:12,13,15-18

 

 

[Witness]

1 hour ago, 4Jah2me said:

Most gladly, then, I will boast about my weaknesses, in order that the power of the Christ may remain over me like a tent

A bit different in translation and meaning I think. 

 

 So I take pleasure in weaknesses, in insults, in times of need, in persecutions and difficulties, for Christ. For when I am weak, then I am powerful.

 

 

Thank you.  This appears to be a NWT, which I personally cannot trust.   If the anointed Body of Christ is trampled in the organization, so is Jesus Christ, their Head.   Dan 8:25

I find it helpful to get a broader view of what is being said.  Here’s a link for many translations, just for 2 Cor 12:9

https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/2 Corinthians 12:9  

Consider this, the anointed are part of Christ.  They are the members of his spiritual Body.  He is the Head.   With a physical body, all members are controlled by the head, the mind.  No?  How, can the anointed operate without consulting their Head?  They must meet his approval, they must ask for direction.  They are his future “wife”. 

If we were beheaded we would die. If we were to ignore what our head/mind tells us, we would become a vegetable.

This, is what I see happening with the anointed in the organization.  They are disconnected from their Head and rely on men to guide them, who prohibited from them connecting in prayer, with their Head, Jesus Christ.

 

 

 

 

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

13 hours ago, Witness said:

Consider this, the anointed are part of Christ.  They are the members of his spiritual Body.  He is the Head. 

From scripture I've only seen Jesus guide the anointed to pray to Almight God. The anointed pray through Christ of course but I haven't seen Jesus say 'Pray to me' 

However, I am not anointed, so I do not expect to fully understand scripture. I do not expect God or Chrsit to open up the scriptures to me. 

I think there is a need for an organisation that is run by the True Anointed. The scripture of ten men clinging to the skirt of a JEW, has to be fulfilled. So I do not expect the Earthly class to fully understand scripture. 

I agree that Christ and the Anointed 'are one' as in 'one spiritual body' with Christ as it's head.