CHINA: Fake News vs. Real News

[Pudgy]

You are wise, Grasshopper!

[TrueTomHarley]

16 hours ago, JW Insider said:

What about the Wuhan lab?

Breggin is aghast that the US carries on gain-of-function research in China in collaboration with Chinese scientists, after have been banned from doing it at home, once by Obama and once by Trump. In both cases the NIH managed an end run around restrictions. The reason he is aghast is that in China, if the scientist knows something, the military also knows it, and he entertains the more ‘traditional’ Western view that the CCP is up to no good. He makes statements such as, “We doubt if one in a million recipients of Pfizer’s vaccine knows it is a joint development venture with the Chinese Communist Party.”

Now, why would there be such collaboration with the Chinese, knowing the military inevitably reap the benefits of such collaboration. Most of the reasons he floats strike me as inadequate. Maybe the thought process at work in these enlightened circles is that concern over the Chinese govt is overblown, and since “we’re all in this together,” what can be the harm of cooperation? 

With rare exception, (Soros being one of them) the “globalists” Breggin regards as the power players—both national and international agencies, corporations, and certain individuals, fawn over the CCP. Plausible? Well, the CCP has succeeded in doing what no Communist government has ever done, notably improving the material prosperity of the average person. It is as though they have been tinkering with the formula, learning from disasters elsewhere, and have finally got it right. Finally they have baked a cake that didn’t collapse. This may just do it for an atheist mindset that attaches far more value to material success than to spiritual values, so yes, it probably is plausible, if not proven.

His book has also persuaded me that Bill Gates largely merits his place in conspiracy theories. Previously I felt that those who put him there have watched too many Bond movies. However, the day after Trump suspended US funding for WHO, Gates picked up the tab. WHO promptly accommodated his interests and redefined ‘herd immunity’ to remove any concept of natural protection from exposure and make it only a goal achievable by vaccine. (Mercola’s book notes this new definition, but does not connect it with Bill’s foundation.)

All this is enough for me to cement Gates in his place. It is a painstakingly well-documented book.

 

[Space Merchant]

On 10/28/2021 at 9:23 AM, JW Insider said:

This isn't true.

Somewhat, if anything, misinterpreting Scripture like some of the groups in China vs those who went underground.

21 hours ago, Arauna said:

Many of their oligarchs have received prison sentences. The Alibama oligarch was let out of prison recently and half of his wealth was taken away. .....

Yes, people often disappear if they mess with the CCP, at times, disappear for good. Jack Ma's disappearance effected stock market investors for some weeks.

As of recent, people are making memes about China's social credit score, sadly, we may have something similar here soon:

 

[Dmitar]

On 10/28/2021 at 3:40 AM, Arauna said:

In China they rewrote the bible......and replaced worship of jesus with Xi Ping photos in churches. and in the west they are busy forming a new religion for us - which will unite all people supposedly. 

Dark Times: A Lockdown and a Call to Arms, 2021

A central tenet of Marxism and socialism is the repression of all religions other than the religion of the state. China represses Christians, Wegers (Uyghurs), and other groups are suppressed in that Communist country. More than a million Wegers are locked up in reeducation camps to rid them of their Muslim practices.

Communist countries recognize religious groups which they control until they can completely eradicate them. Chinese Christians, for example, have an officially recognized church. Most Christians belong to the underground. The official Chinese Christian church does not allow the displaying of the cross. Regular Bibles are banned in China. Pictures of Jesus Christ were taken down and replaced with pictures of Xi Jinping.

With the anti-Christian, anti-religion atmosphere loose in America at this time, do you not think these kinds of things would be happening in America if Progressives were in charge? A Socialist/Communist is a Socialist/Communist, and they have no use for religion whatsoever.

 

Hidden Hand– Exposing how the Chinese Communist Party is Reshaping the World 2020

Many Westerners are by now familiar with the CCP’s crackdown on religious worship in China, which includes the use of CCTV cameras in churches and mosques and forcing believers to practise in approved ways. The 11th and 12th Bureaus of the United Front Work Department devote extensive efforts to this repression, setting up ‘representative organisations’ for each religion.¹²⁹ It was reported in 2019 that Tibetan nomads had been told they would continue to receive state subsidies only if they ‘replaced their altars devoted to Buddhist deities with images of Chinese political leaders’.¹³⁰ Christians have been pressured to replace images of Jesus with photos of Xi Jinping. In a move that resonated with its position in the 1930s, the Vatican reached an agreement with Beijing to allow the Party to choose Catholic bishops.

 

 

In Henan, Jiangxi, Zhejiang, Liaoning, and Hebei, churches have been ordered to fly the Chinese flag, destroy banners and images with religious messages, and sing the national anthem and Communist Party songs at their services. Government-installed television cameras with facial-recognition technology monitor congregations. Children under eighteen have been forbidden to attend churches, and local people have been threatened with expulsion from education and employment if they "believe in religions." In some parts of the country the faithful have been asked to replace paintings of Jesus with portraits of President Xi Jinping. Thus, Xi's New Regulations on Religious Affairs, described by Amnesty International as "draconian," are causing considerable concern.' Catholics in Hong Kong are particularly worried.

[Arauna]

On 10/28/2021 at 10:41 PM, JW Insider said:

continuing contact with several people in several districts of China is also ongoin

You forget that ALL correspondence via internet is watched.....by the CCP army. People in China know this...... so would they talk of something bad happening in their local area? 

Another matter: when all news is sent out and approved by the state- do you think they will openly declare their government sweat shops and mulim camps? If your answer is yes..... then I understand completely why you take the stance you do..... 

LEARNT yesterday that China had access to all Western databases of DNA..... and are in a position to make bio weapons for the western blood types. While the West has none of theirs.  The West was helping China with "gain of function" Corona and the best secret still to be revealed is ...... part of it synthetic.   It is NOT a naturally gained of function or isolated  virus. 

The one world government oligarchs in the west are as dumb as some of the scholars who are pro Mao se Tung type governments....... similar to UN image of the beast.... 

This silliness will lead to us soon being under a system of digital passports where our health is connected to our income, our obedience to the state and approval for work as well as our behaviour........ whether we comply to the state or not (as in China) will be on one passport.  A technocratic dictatorship. 

[Arauna]

On 10/28/2021 at 10:41 PM, JW Insider said:

basic modus operandi of anti-China propaganda is to exaggerate a long list of item

China is cooperating with the West to bring in the me-communistic government they have (especially the surveillance) into the West. Even the UN calling for it....  In Canada people are reporting to see Chinese soldiers in the areas which were once Indian territories. UN now have their own surveillance teams of a few thousand checkers of the internet for information they do not want us to know about!!

Mexico is so dangerous because Chinese precursors to dangerous drugs are imported from China.. the manufacture process is completed there and brought in from there over the borders.  

(apologies for the spelling - I do not see the mistakes....  If I work on the pad I do not see them at al!). 

[JW Insider]

3 hours ago, Arauna said:

You forget that ALL correspondence via internet is watched.....by the CCP army. People in China know this...... so would they talk of something bad happening in their local area? 

But they do talk about things in the CCP government that they do not like. Of course they talk about bad things happening in their area. There are even protests. My son knows persons who have participated in the protests. You can even find them discussed on YouTube and WeChat channels.

[Arauna]

On 10/30/2021 at 5:19 PM, JW Insider said:

You can even find them discussed

There are those who know how to get out of the chinese internet system.

I saw today that CCP now has Satelite chompers (I forget what name they called them).  In outer space they chomp up all space garbage......... and CCP views all satellites (but their own) as garbage....  So we may see a space event soon like Pearl Harbour...... anything can happen... because China has been invading air space of a lot of areas which do not belong to them.

They have satanic view of the world just like all other governments.... 

[Space Merchant]

On 10/30/2021 at 11:19 AM, JW Insider said:

My son knows persons who have participated in the protests. You can even find them discussed on YouTube and WeChat channels.

They'll have to be careful, even now, granted the resurgence of some groups, and those effected by inflation, mandates, etc believed to have joined said groups. I was in the crosshairs of specific protests, mainly a UC Berkeley teacher who isn't shy to throw pushes if your race and sex fit the description. As for the YouTube Platform, after the Facebook whistle blower situation, nd Loudoun County, a lot of people are getting shut down, terminated, having some of their content removed from the platform, even if you have no videos, any comments made, gone. This also connects to the YouTube Algorithm that is known to effect things, as is, the YouTube police, if someone, even some kid, does not like your content or what you say in the comments, he or she is going to send an army your way to somehow get you or something you said removed.

[Space Merchant]

1 hour ago, Arauna said:

I saw today that CCP now has Satelite chompers (I forget what name they called them).  In outer space they chomp up all space garbage......... and CCP views all satellites (but their own) as garbage....  So we may see a space event soon like Pearl Harbour...... anything can happen... because China has been invading air space of a lot of areas which do not belong to them.

Well they recently sent out a Hypersonic nuclear capable missile that circled the global before hitting it's target, this got the US military stumbling. Th Biden Administration says they have 0 defense against something of this magnitude. This is low orbit, and requires little to no maneuverability, and it is capable of bypassing any known US missile defense system let alone conjuring up a deterrent to said missile. Although Russia has there own, this one seems a bit higher up on the destruction food chain. Some would argue the US may have advanced weaponry that the majority does not know about, i.e. the unknown aircrafts zipping in and out of the ocean, but it is known if that is something that cannot match this missile.

Other then that, the Chinese people, often times, I tell people, that they're not the problem, but their government is.

The fact they run on a social credit system, it will hit the US also, granted big businesses seems to have already adopted the idea.

1 hour ago, Arauna said:

They have satanic view of the world just like all other governments.... 

They seek absolute power. As is their allies, as is their rivals, of which all of them, are under the United Nations banner. Essentially, a class of students, under a teacher, whereas half of the class is of one faction, and the rest, of another. The teacher in this example cannot unite these factions for there will be an inevitable fight between both factions of students.

[Arauna]

30 minutes ago, Space Merchant said:

even some kid, does not like your content or

The UN now has Internet police which checks the net for undesirable content; and apart from military eyes there are several contracts for the government and one project funded by Gates and the health alliance.  They have been roaming the internet with their algorithms for at least a year. The AI checks the internet for new information that the establishment does not want to leak out. As soon as the first stories appear there are several fact checking stories which debunks this. They are AI bot stories from different sources so it looks as if research was done.  The gaslighting is becoming more and more. 

I see so many stories on internet now regarding the environment. They are creating fear that we will NOT survive if drastic steps are not taken.  While a agree with this premise - it is the very corporations who created the environment disaster in the first place who now want to take control of everything. So the internet will once again be scrubbed when any stories press highlights environmental abuses by corporations but stories will be created which highlight what they want you to know.

 

[Equivocation]

I never really follow news but it usually gets into social media and apps.

I often see people mention media even on here so my question is why is there such a strong push for false information?

No into politics but the whole Biden thing is crazy. From what I have seen, seems like hate voting to get this guy into office and people are getting censored out of the blue as well as taken out of context.