ELDER'S REFLECTIONS ON A MEETING WITH THE C.O.

[Srecko Sostar]

13 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

The WT explanation of the wild beast is instantly recognizable. You don’t have to agree with that interpretation to see how the International agency for peace and security is “an image” of the various governments and how it derives its power from them, and that through it ALL the nations  (ten horns) briefly combine to rule.

I think it is unrealistic to claim that all UN members have influence over the UN General Assembly and their decisions on behalf of “all nations”. There are several in the UN who are the only ones who have the right to veto all decisions, also those that are influential and powerful enough to undo any action by other UN members and to exert influence over them.

In addition, various interpretations of the WTJWorg about the “northern and southern kings,” and “Gog of Magog” call into question the construction you have interpreted about the UN.

13 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

It is that of the leadership of a religion that represents 1/1000th of the world population that even now, most are only vaguely familiar with and many have never heard of it at all. Seriously? Whereas the WT interpretation is recognizable worldwide, very few people have any idea of what “anointed” Christians are. They don’t even know what it is, and yet your grudge against them comprises the cornerstone of your belief system

To understand the prophecy recorded in Daniel chapter 11, we need to keep in mind that it identifies only rulers and governments that have had a direct influence on God’s people. And even though God’s servants make up only a small portion of the world’s population, they are often at the center of major world events. Why? Because Satan and his entire system have one prime objective—conquering those who serve Jehovah and Jesus. - https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-study-may-2020/The-King-of-the-North-in-the-Time-of-the-End/

If the whole UN wants to destroy WTJWorg then they should be well aware of the JW ideology that makes them want to destroy you. 

The king of the north has supported the king of the south in one key endeavor; they “put in place the disgusting thing that causes desolation.” (Dan. 11:31) That “disgusting thing” is the United Nations. -https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-study-may-2020/The-King-of-the-North-in-the-Time-of-the-End/

WTJWorg considers its Organization the only holy place on Earth because it is where God is worshiped in truth. How did the northern and southern kings put the UN in your “spiritual temple”? Or how will they put it in the future?

But your magazines add confusion. We read this:

 In the first fulfillment, the “standing in a holy place” occurred in 66 C.E. when the Roman army (“the disgusting thing”) attacked Jerusalem and its temple (a place holy in the eyes of the Jews). In the larger fulfillment, the “standing” will occur when the United Nations (the modern-day “disgusting thing”) attacks Christendom (which is holy in the eyes of nominal Christians) and the rest of Babylon the Great. The same attack is described at Revelation 17:16-18. That event will be the beginning of the great tribulation. - https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2013530#h=13:0-13:842

WTJWorg is Babylon aka Confusion. 

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PS 

 So the restoration of spiritual Israel in 1919 to a radiant spiritual prosperity, which continues and expands to this day, stands as evidence that Babylon the Great fell in that year. No longer does she have power of restraint over God’s people. Moreover, she has come into deep trouble within her own ranks. Since 1919 her corruption, dishonesty, and immorality have been widely exposed. In most of Europe, few people go to church anymore, and in some socialistic countries, religion is regarded as “the opium of the people.” Disgraced in the eyes of all lovers of God’s Word of truth, Babylon the Great now waits on death row, as it were, for the execution of Jehovah’s righteous judgment on her. - https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/Revelation-Its-Grand-Climax-At-Hand/Babylon-the-Great-Has-Fallen/

 

[Witness]

1 hour ago, Arauna said:

1 cor 6: "Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers..........  10 thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and extortioners will not inherit God’s Kingdom. 

The word “revile” is not always used in an abusive way, as the example you gave in 1 Cor 6.  In fact that Greek word means  abusive (mischief). 

“Revile” in English, can mean a justified scolding in anger, as God has done when His people have ignored His decrees.  The reason the organization is the man of lawlessness, the "abomination standing in the holy place" (Matt 24:15),  is because it has ignored God's decrees concerning His chosen priesthood/"living stones". (1 Pet 2:5,9)  I wish you could see this.  While it states it has no clergy, it certainly does - a counterfeit in the elder body, and an authentic "clergy" in the anointed.  Replacing God's priests is an abomination.  (Ezek 44:6-9)

 

 

[Pudgy]

A careful analysis of how many times everybody has been wrong about "Gog of Magog", and using some reverse inductive analysis to determine the mean variation through linear regression proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that "Gog of Magog" is not a single individual, but a moribund consortium of Ferrets.

[Arauna]

 

 

Deliberate reviling had no place among first-century Christians. (1Co 6:9, 10; 1Pe 3:8, 9) One guilty of habitually and intentionally vilifying others was to be expelled from the congregation.—1Co 5:11-13.

5 hours ago, Witness said:

“Revile” in English, can mean a justified scolding in anger,

As seen above - I am interested in the biblical meaning.

[Witness]

3 hours ago, Arauna said:

As seen above - I am interested in the biblical meaning.

I am not here to appease anyone. I am here to expose the organization as it is, a spiritual ruse that has trampled down the holy people of God.  (Isa 1:10-12; Dan 8:13; 11:15,16,31,32; Luke 21:24; Matt 24:15,16; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2)

Did Jesus revile, “abuse”, the Pharisees by telling them they were a brood of vipers, or did they revile him for speaking truth?  They called him Beelzebub, but it was THEY who were the progeny of the devil.  (1 Pet 2:23)  I have been called a child of the devil for addressing Wt's falsehoods.  (Matt 5:11)  

Speaking against the GB and organization, does not mean I am abusing them.  The GB are locked away, behind a guarded gate.  They throw their insults against “apostates” freely and confidently from their compound, but they refuse to sit down with any anointed one who challenges their teachings.  Are they too good for the rest of Christ's brothers?  It appears to be so.  They are cowards in a sense, hiding in their fortress; yet they are also arrogant in their stand against Christ’s teachings, just as the Pharisees were.   On the other hand, they send out their henchmen to cut down any who speak against THEM.  (Matt 24:48-51) Their supposed rulership over others must be preserved at all costs - at the cost of others.  An unwelcomed knock on the door by an elder is common.  JWs don't necessarily live behind locked gates like the eight men do.  The point of the elder's visit is to judge a dissenter as unworthy of spiritual life for rejecting the GB and Satan's ruse.  (Dan 11:38)  These Harlots send out men not anointed, to cut down the holy priesthood - the anointed. (John 16:2; Rev 11:3,7; 13:15) The GB lead an insular life, but they cannot hide their actions from the Father and Jesus.  

The Lord said:

These people approach me with their speeches
to honor me with lip-service,
yet their hearts are far from me,
and human rules direct their worship of me.
14 Therefore, I will again confound these people
with wonder after wonder.
The wisdom of their wise will vanish,
and the perception of their perceptive will be hidden.

15 Woe to those who go to great lengths
to hide their plans from the Lord.
They do their works in the dark,
and say, “Who sees us? Who knows us?”  Isa 29:13-15

The arrogance of the GB proven through the C.O.’s talk that the elder commented on above, will be a good spark for the organization to cut the “Harlot” down.  (Rev 17:17)

 

 

[Witness]

On 12/25/2021 at 10:43 AM, Witness said:

When God sent his servants to proclaim the sins of His people, they never let up, did they. Rev 11:1-3

Really @Srecko Sostar!  😀  Rachel is sending her letters by the literal thousands to JWs world-wide.  This one with the QR code is being mailed as a post card.  How one person is able to accomplish what she's doing, can only be through the blessing of God's Spirit.  

"angels" are messengers - human messengers.  🙂

"And another, a third angel, followed them and spoke with a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he will also drink the wine of God’s wrath, which is poured full strength into the cup of his anger. He will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the sight of the holy angels and in the sight of the Lamb, 11 and the smoke of their torment will go up forever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or anyone who receives the mark of its name. 12 This calls for endurance from the saints, who keep God’s commands and their faith in Jesus.”  Rev 14:9-12

Jer 23:29 -  “Is not My word like fire”—this is the Lord’s declaration—“and like a hammer that pulverizes rock?"

 

 

[Matthew9969]

On 12/24/2021 at 11:56 AM, Arauna said:

He is up in heaven - so he sends his Holy Spirit.  Surely you understand this?

Jesus sends "his" holy spirit?

[Arauna]

21 minutes ago, Matthew9969 said:

Jesus sends "his" holy spirit?

Apologies.... you know what I meant. Without getting technical - God is the sole source of Holy Spirit and Jesus has been given all authority.  "  That is why I am going away. The Holy Spirit cannot come to help You until I leave. But after I am gone, I will send the Spirit to you. - John 16:5-7

[Srecko Sostar]

9 hours ago, Matthew9969 said:

On 12/24/2021 at 7:56 PM, Arauna said:

He is up in heaven - so he sends his Holy Spirit.  Surely you understand this?

Jesus sends "his" holy spirit?

 

8 hours ago, Arauna said:

9 hours ago, Matthew9969 said:

Jesus sends "his" holy spirit?

Apologies.... you know what I meant. Without getting technical - God is the sole source of Holy Spirit and Jesus has been given all authority.  "  That is why I am going away. The Holy Spirit cannot come to help You until I leave. But after I am gone, I will send the Spirit to you. - John 16:5-7

 But after I am gone, I will send the Spirit to you. - John 16:5-7

And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth. - John 14:16

I baptized you with water; but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit -  Mark 1:8

But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you. - John 14:26

When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify about Me, - John 15:26

I just want to notice. If, according to WTJWorg, HS is just some kind of energy, then every person in heaven and on earth has their own spirit or energy. The spirit itself bears witness with our spirit that we are God’s children. - Romans 8:16.  God is holy so his spirit is also holy. Is Jesus as a person on earth or as a person in heaven holy? If it is then his spirit is holy, too.

From all this arises a really interesting question: which spirit Jesus sends, his own or God's. Can Jesus send the spirit of another person, his Father, and vice versa? Or is it logical to send his own HS?
HS is also called the spirit of truth, and Jesus claims that He is the Way, the Truth and the Life. It seems how Bible verses above speaking in both ways.

[Witness]

On 12/27/2021 at 9:22 PM, Srecko Sostar said:

 

From all this arises a really interesting question: which spirit Jesus sends, his own or God's. Can Jesus send the spirit of another person, his Father, and vice versa? Or is it logical to send his own HS?
HS is also called the spirit of truth, and Jesus claims that He is the Way, the Truth and the Life. It seems how Bible verses above speaking in both ways.

33 "The one who has accepted his testimony has affirmed that God is true. 34 For the one whom God sent speaks God’s words, since He gives the Spirit without measure. "

Eph 2:17,18 - "He came and proclaimed the good news of peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near.  For through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father."

1 Cor 12:4-11 - Now there are different gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 There are different ministries, but the same Lord. 6 And there are different activities, but the same God works all of them in each person. 7 A manifestation of the Spirit is given to each person for the common good: 8 to one is given a message of wisdom through the Spirit, to another, a message of knowledge by the same Spirit, 9 to another, faith by the same Spirit, to another, gifts of healing by the one Spirit, 10 to another, the performing of miracles, to another, prophecy, to another, distinguishing between spirits, to another, different kinds of tongues,[b] to another, interpretation of tongues. 11 One and the same Spirit is active in all these, distributing to each person as he wills."

 

 

[Srecko Sostar]

4 hours ago, Witness said:

33 "The one who has accepted his testimony has affirmed that God is true. 34 For the one whom God sent speaks God’s words, since He gives the Spirit without measure. "

Eph 2:17,18 - "He came and proclaimed the good news of peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near.  For through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father."

1 Cor 12:4-11 - Now there are different gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 There are different ministries, but the same Lord. 6 And there are different activities, but the same God works all of them in each person. 7 A manifestation of the Spirit is given to each person for the common good: 8 to one is given a message of wisdom through the Spirit, to another, a message of knowledge by the same Spirit, 9 to another, faith by the same Spirit, to another, gifts of healing by the one Spirit, 10 to another, the performing of miracles, to another, prophecy, to another, distinguishing between spirits, to another, different kinds of tongues,[b] to another, interpretation of tongues. 11 One and the same Spirit is active in all these, distributing to each person as he wills."

 

 

 I and the Father are one. - john 10:30

[Dmitar]

On 12/26/2021 at 4:01 PM, Witness said:

Rachel is sending her letters by the literal thousands to JWs world-wide.  This one with the QR code is being mailed as a post card.  How one person is able to accomplish what she's doing, can only be through the blessing of God's Spirit. 

Can you explain this, since anyone can react and be compulsive to send out literature or letters? How does God's spirit play a role in such a simple task? I personally receive pamphlets from a local church on my doorsteps regularly. I receive postcards from religious organizations regularly. Are you suggesting God's Holy Spirit is at play, even though some of those institutions don't have a clear understanding of scripture? What is the message that should play a role and how God's Spirit inspires the writer on that message.

Being contradicting and argumentative is not a message that is in God's spirit. 

Orderly Worship

²⁶ What then, brothers? When you come together, each one has a hymn, a lesson, a revelation, a tongue, or an interpretation. Let all things be done for building up. ²⁷ If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn, and let someone interpret. ²⁸ But if there is no one to interpret, let each of them keep silent in church and speak to himself and to God. ²⁹ Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others weigh what is said. ³⁰ If a revelation is made to another sitting there, let the first be silent. ³¹ For you can all prophesy one by one, so that all may learn and all be encouraged, ³² and the spirits of prophets are subject to prophets. ³³ For God is not a God of confusion but of peace.

As in all the churches of the saints,