Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?

[Dmitar]

4 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Are you trying to say that people today are less prone to naivety than in the 1970s? And that today’s JWs think more with their head than their predecessors, so they’re more careful and don’t listen to GB enough? Today’s JWs have a unique circumstance compared to their 1970s predecessors, and that is; more information about WTJWorg. And an increasingly rich history (and present) of failed doctrines.

Actually, those in the 70s had a better grasp of bible knowledge. Too bad, they didn't pass it along to those close to them. But, a thinking person would also add the culture and atmosphere of generations. That way, they won't seem so ignorant as to think, the past can be applied to a present culture of human thinking.

A person with the etiquette and language of the 20s would be seen as a crazy person in the 21st century. Now, those "failed doctrines" you speak of, are they the "false predictions" that are labeled by former JWs such as yourself?

As far as I can see. The Watchtower doctrine still has the same value it always had. Perhaps you should separate the nonsense that comes from former Jehovah’s Witnesses, so the reader can appreciate that particular nonsense. When that type of nonsense comes from present Jehovah's Witnesses, then a person like me, sets the record straight. 

After all, people have the right to know when Present and Past Jehovah's Witnesses act in consort with that particular type of nonsense.

[Dmitar]

Yet being a fool for displaying (suggestive) brilliant art work after a particular conviction. When people say, as you age, a person gets wiser, too many disprove the logic. 😏

I guess the intelligence gene is in the hair. 😮

[Pudgy]

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[Thinking]

2 hours ago, Pudgy said:

I was speaking about “our Theology” To include all living things on planet Earth. Please go back and re-read that post with my intended perspective and see if it looks better then.

My “broad stroke” was intended to be understood as planetary in scope.

Perhaps I should have been more specific, but I did not think it would be misunderstood.

Also, I am five or more years older than you, and was in California when the hustle started, an the Congo in late 1974, so our experiences might be expected to be completely different.

 

That’s one thing that has amazed me as I have developed friends from all over the world since internet and how even in the truth something can be a issue in one place and not even be mentioned in another place…at first it was hard to grasp but then it helped me understand the diversity amongst us…it was a issue over here..but seems not in other places…

[Thinking]

4 hours ago, Pudgy said:

So?

Either you “get” innuendo non-sequiter nuanced humor …. Or you don’t.

Usually, those that build pictures in their minds with each word in a sentence they read, “get” visual humor as well.

Mmm well I remember the MAD magazines also…and I never got them either….but as long as they gave you a laugh…we each have our own sense of humour😊

[Pudgy]

Yeah …. You have to break away from agenda driven thinking to be happy!

Otherwise you are like a bug trapped in amber, always unhappy, doomed to compulsively try and denigrate others.

 

 

 

 

 

[Arauna]

47 minutes ago, Thinking said:

diversity amongst us…it was a issue over here..but seems not in other places

True, due to cultural differences. For example, many Koreans still study for doctorate degrees while pioneering. It is in the culture for them because they still have the idea of looking after family in old age..... in the back of their minds or psyche. 

[Arauna]

1 hour ago, Dmitar said:

those in the 70s had a better grasp of bible

It was more bookish knowledge.... much history etc. Today they are focussing more on the qualities and lifestyle we need to pass through Armageddon.  So you see I do sometimes in a way agree with you. 

[Srecko Sostar]

57 minutes ago, Thinking said:

That’s one thing that has amazed me as I have developed friends from all over the world since internet and how even in the truth something can be a issue in one place and not even be mentioned in another place…at first it was hard to grasp but then it helped me understand the diversity amongst us…it was a issue over here..but seems not in other places…

The notion of unity and uniformity has unusual consequences for JW members.

The interpretations of one group of elders in one congregation may differ significantly from another congregation in the same city.

This was often seen in the summer months around the insistence that speakers wear a jacket while speaking point. Well then if he can without a jacket, does the shirt have to have long sleeves or can he with short ones and the like. The absurdities of spiritual maturity in the JW brothers come to the fore.

Well then for example, can an assembly trip be organized or not. Some elders allowed it, and some were against it.

In the former Yugoslavia, we were often amazed by the directives from America, because there is HQ. Because the JW brothers on the old continent in a communist country did not have such a mindset as their “capitalist brothers”. :))

[Srecko Sostar]

1 hour ago, Dmitar said:

Now, those "failed doctrines" you speak of, are they the "false predictions" that are labeled by former JWs such as yourself?

Your comment is not so bad. There is something to discuss. But do not forget that predictions, past and present, are based on a doctrinal understanding of biblical quotations. Interpretation derives from belief. Belief produces teaching and doctrine. Doctrine is the basis for prediction.

[Dmitar]

32 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Your comment is not so bad. There is something to discuss. But do not forget that predictions, past and present, are based on a doctrinal understanding of biblical quotations. Interpretation derives from belief. Belief produces teaching and doctrine. Doctrine is the basis for prediction.

Actually, no! There are two separate issues. How, can you equate the nonsense of former JWs made up stance on biblical prophecy? You have the same failed argument of @JW Insider. He surmises, the only way to believe is to have the mysteries "specifically" written in the bible. I.E., 2520 has to be specifically written in scripture. Or 2 instances of 1260 specifically mentioned to equal 2520. If not, then it's only 1 time of 1260. Therefore, no prophecy. Forget the rest of the evidence. Since, those mysteries were meant for a chosen few, Why would scripture identify it as a mystery? Stellar minds. @TrueTomHarley should be proud! He's in the company of extraordinary geniuses. Superheroes of the Watchtower. 😏

Therefore, by definition, those two are separate.

[Thinking]

1 hour ago, Arauna said:

True, due to cultural differences. For example, many Koreans still study for doctorate degrees while pioneering. It is in the culture for them because they still have the idea of looking after family in old age..... in the back of their minds or psyche. 

Good point