Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?

[Pudgy]

… and as to the 1975 issue, photographs of a kingdom ministry I believe from 1974 have been posted here many times, although I do not have a copy on my iPhone, when the Society was commending the brothers who had sold their homes, assets, and businesses to preach the Kingdom message this time of the end.

Perhaps somebody here will post it again.

This makes it completely clear to my mind That the WTB&TS was in fact preaching that the end would occur In the mid-1970s.

JWI was there, and I was there, and saw it happen.

AND WITH THAT KINGDOM MINISTRY STATEMENT is the written confirmation.

And ( coff, coff ) I wonder where a lot of that money went?

 

[Pudgy]

A Politician’s reply ….. sorta like a Dmitar post.

Manipulative and changing the subject many times with MANY WORDS, to wear you down with irrelevancy.

[Space Merchant]

@JW Insider Although this is your experience, it is highly likely those who supported the speculative narrative will willful ignore this, as with others who are in the same boat. When someone says a lie long enough, they see it as a truth, so these 1975 narratives is like that of never ending story that creeps it's way back to the surface.

6 hours ago, Equivocation said:

2 Things, seeing "Truther" being misused several times

Because such a notion out of the norm for the common folk, they'd believe whatever the paradigm says, as seen by @Srecko Sostar, @Witness and even Butler, not realizing what it entails. As pointed out there are many branches, not everyone is a Christian, but the goal is the truth and to stamp out falsehood, so much so, in some cases, help people if need be, hence the missing YouTuber (Mr. Obvious) I mentioned a while back in which the commentator community was helped. Sometimes I would post such things here if it's a Tri-State issue or something major.

It is also as to why in my experience with children I let them know to be careful whenever they are in the institutions and the like. Hence the things I have been proclaiming on here.

6 hours ago, Equivocation said:

you mentioned a deranged woman to @Pudgy 

The woman I refer to is deranged, mentally unstable and depraved, as is violent - Yvette Felarca. Recall demon possession in the Bible, let's just say she is an exaggeration of that. She makes @Witness look like a pure saint. You and your faith community (even former JWs) is very lucky to not have run into these types because prior to COVID-19 when you were gospel preaching, this woman and her cohorts were preaching a different message. She spare no one, especially if the person in question is the opposite sex to her and is white, i.e. to target someone, she used the crowd to let off a few punches, granted she was so short, the attack was highly obscure to the onlooker until evidence was produced, evidently, the MSM believes and still defends this woman despite her arrest. I know she is no longer in jail because there was a mention of her at the higher education institution of which she is from granted she drew concern for opening of schools despite the vaccines and mandates. The run ins I had, she mistook me for a member of BLM, one of them she equated Bible verses to hate speech, also assuming I was affiliated with Westboro Church, hence her insults and slander, however she could not do anything to me using her group because I was black. It is also highly factual that even EXJWs do not know these types of people exist, all the while they tried to link you with this woman's sister group.

This is why these political paradigm types are problematic, they only drive themselves into ruin and some of them, ends up like this woman. It can also be said if you guys do return to the Commission, do not be surprised by an elevated and embolden group just like the one this woman is a part of, perhaps, they would far more dangerous than your EXJW Apostate types.

As you can already see, I do not like the paradigm and for good reason. These Agendas with a backing only causes more problems.

6 hours ago, Equivocation said:

a name someone called Serena? Although it may not be important, I was kinda curious.

Unlike the deranged woman, Serena Shim, in regards to her what a Truther is, she is a representation of it, in this case she is a Journalist, whereas truth is seen as a danger to some; Journalism is also noted as a dangerous profession.

Serena was possibly the best person out there when it comes to searching for the truth, in doing so, wanting to make things better for society, so much so, it got her killed in which the super powers essentially concealed her death, lying about it, when the people knew why she was targeted, they they claimed she was a spy.

Those going after her namely from those who are affiliated with The Wild Beast, granted, The World Health Organization is a specialized agency of the United Nations responsible for international public health. in addition to that, United States officials told a ridiculous remark about Americans overseas should they succumb to harm; it should be noted that due to the Ukraine-Russia situation (and all troubling events that spark MSM attention), anything pertaining to her, namely from RT News is now blocked/removed in the States, even prior, there was an effort to scrub her off the media until she was honored in a museum - Arab American National Museum (AANM). Independent Journalists, as is Truthers, as is onlookers, knew her to be someone who stood for the truth even though it painted a target on her back. So the lies, deceit, falsehood, etc. such persons call out, in her case, she knew what was taking place, hence her last interview.

She was buried in Borj El Brajneh, Lebanon, and there was quite a lot of people present, but still after her death, people demanded the truth, even her family to this day, however, those and the power that be silenced any further look into her death, even investigation, and so forth. As for what she had, it vanished, for, whomever was after her, made sure what she had evidence to ceased from existence, a black out.

@Dmitar was correct to say do not trust Wiki because they sugar coated the details of her history connected to her death.

You can get a good insight on the videos below that make it brief, granted, everything pertain to her is 100% accurate, even elsewhere, since there is a high respect for this woman.

That being said, it is stuff like this is the reason why I take truth seriously, as is with facts and evidence, and rarely use opinions. It is quite minor here on this forums, but elsewhere, tends to be more serious.

Although she is one of many, she is the important one concerning truth.

 

[Space Merchant]

12 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

You're so funny. So don’t you see that you have stuck to an intellectual trap and a mistake in the logic found in the claims I wrote, on purpose. Because I have a "motive" :)).

Appeal to motive.... You make it obvious yet again. I believe you do not know what that is...

The fact the latter brought up an archived Yahoo Answers experts, the speculative narrative has ultimately been smashed once again.

At this point, simply smooth sailing.

You were never the type to adhere to logic. If you remember, alluded to God's Friend Selfish without knowing the current situation, let alone historical accounts or Biblical Facts.

Nullified, as what the latter stated, a more fitting word would be obliterated.

Anyways, case closed at this point. The fact you brought up 1975 to dodge your the Chloe Church question evidently seen by all, but what to expect from an acolyte of a man who possibly went for women knowing fully well he committed adultery to his wife, and kids. To them they did not deserve this.

In the New Normalcy, people have become hypersensitive to narratives, so things of this nature would not work anymore, the people are seeing for themselves.

[Dmitar]

Yet, a long-winded commentary from a mutt, that is completely meaningless. Just like the past evidence about 1975 here. The book entered into evidence is suggestive only to people with an over active imagination. This is why, it was forced upon NOT to SPECULATE. However, the speculation continues out of ignorance til this day by agitators.

To the visitor. The REAL reason behind the Procter & Gamble logo. You can accept it or not!

https://www.corporate-eye.com/main/the-procter-gamble-logo-then-and-now/

Those of us attending school as children understood the 13 stars represented the original 13 colonies. It was in the US flag.

I'm surprised former Jehovah's Witnesses or the public haven't pinned the "Monster Energy Drink" rumor about the satanic symbol that people claim on the Watchtower and its publications.

[Arauna]

6 hours ago, Dmitar said:

I have to ask everyone here, does anyone get the book of revelation? I

Seriously, I understand and enjoy many of the prophecies about the time of the end. I do not think I have more insight than any one else. All I did was study the history of the beasts and looked into present history. 

The UN has been identified as the image of the beast since the image appeared.  It is not hard to follow the history of the UN and its representatives as well as those countries, corporations, NGOs and mega-rich persons and leaders involved in the plans for the future as set out in UN Agenda 21 and agenda 2030.

I understand what is coming, . .... I just do not know how far will jehovah allow them to fulfill their plans..... and what unforseen events of opposition  may stall them in completing it.  They are determined to get to their goals.... they have time and power on their side. Legislation is ongoing all the time which brings them one step closer to their goals  

[Space Merchant]

35 minutes ago, Dmitar said:

I'm surprised former Jehovah's Witnesses or the public haven't pinned the "Monster Energy Drink" rumor about the satanic symbol that people claim on the Watchtower and its publications.

Well this should surprise you, they believe the Watchtower owns military assets, this is why I mentioned Mr. Zelda and missiles in which Witness was defending when she was refuted by an EXJW who has knowledgeable in Economics. Even when refuted they continue. Some also believe they have assets in Nintendo as is Victoria's Secret.

It makes no sense, a 2+2=5 situation.

[Dmitar]

1 hour ago, Arauna said:

leaders involved in the plans for the future as set out in UN Agenda 21 and agenda 2030.

Well, at least you're in the right track. The next segment begins from 2023-2030.

1 hour ago, Arauna said:

I understand what is coming, . .... I just do not know how far will jehovah allow them to fulfill their plans..... and what unforseen events of opposition  may stall them in completing it. 

How long did the Israelites have to wait before their pleas were finally answered. It's not the time that matters, but the question Satan placed before humanity with disobedience toward God's sovereignty that needs to be answered for the sake of man and the angels. Therefore, the door to "repentance" is still open. 

[Pudgy]

1 hour ago, Dmitar said:

Yet, a long-winded commentary from a mutt, that is completely meaningless. Just like the past evidence about 1975 here. The book entered into evidence is suggestive only to people with an over active imagination. This is why, it was forced upon NOT to SPECULATE. However, the speculation continues out of ignorance til this day by agitators.

To the visitor. The REAL reason behind the Procter & Gamble logo. You can accept it or not!

https://www.corporate-eye.com/main/the-procter-gamble-logo-then-and-now/

Those of us attending school as children understood the 13 stars represented the original 13 colonies. It was in the US flag.

I'm surprised former Jehovah's Witnesses or the public haven't pinned the "Monster Energy Drink" rumor about the satanic symbol that people claim on the Watchtower and its publications.

You obviously did not read what I wrote with any sort of understanding at all, or the link that you yourself provided. The link that you provided exactly confirms the dates and details of what I said that you disparaged with manipulative distraction with irrelevancies.

It was 1980 under the old logo, then I sent my certified letter, return receipt requested to Procter & Gamble headquarters in Cincinnati Ohio.

Again you have clouded the issue with complete irrelevancies and made another accusation about me that is false.

My long-winded commentary was relating exactly what happened, in detail. Your reply related how they changed their brand symbol in the 1980s from the old one to the new one, and nothing more was stated in the reference you gave…

The topic we were talking about has absolutely nothing to do with what you understood as a child about the 13 colonies of the United States, or brand changes.

 

[Dmitar]

58 minutes ago, Space Merchant said:

they believe the Watchtower owns military assets,

It's funny how the Vatican does have its own military. 😁 The Papal Gendarmerie Corps. I don't see any others complaining and promoting rumors.😂

[Space Merchant]

7 hours ago, Equivocation said:

Acts 8:37

This is because most EXJWs are highly influenced by the subnet of the Mainstream known as the KJV-Onlyist. Such ones are not too knowledgeable of Strong's Concordances, so they believe/adopt what the Mainstream not only says about JWs, i.e. the cult ideology granted, this derives from those who do not see Jesus as God, more so the notion of the NWT Bible, of which they claim was created by JWs calling it a fake Bible, despite not knowing the the Bible, although revised, is associated with Biblia Hebraica and The Westcott & Hort.

This is why in my debate with @Cos he tried to profess Jesus Worship in the same way as God was worshipped, example below:

On 1/19/2018 at 3:17 AM, Space Merchant said:

I am aware the NWT has Obeisance, and I am aware that Worship and what Mr. Stafford has said. But what you fail to realize is the word is also used "Proskyneo" (Proskuneo) that can be translated to either "Homage", "Bow Down/To/Bow Before", "Worship", as well as "Obeisance", it can also be translated to Latreia, Prostration (The act of obeisance or worship via standing in silence, lying flat on the floor face down, etc)., or Reverence in other languages. As for the word itself it has the same meaning as the other mention.

 

This was also addressed to @Witness who was very confused by the Strong's itself in the discussion.

  

On 3/8/2018 at 5:16 PM, Space Merchant said:

On the contrary they have, if you even took into account of what I just explained previously. proskuneo also means worship (http://biblehub.com/greek/4352.htm), as well as obeisance, honor, reverence, homage, bow to/down to, etc. The very word that Cos, an Anti-JW around here, didn't get through his head, hence the heavy refuting to each of  his response drove him away from this section of the forums, in addition to him caught lying, for him using John 8:44 backfired on him.

1 Corinthians 15 verses 27 and 28 does not imply of which you said in regards to the following: worship to Jesus is perfectly acceptable to God.

  

On 3/8/2018 at 5:16 PM, Space Merchant said:

That being said, when one considers "religious worship" be sure to know to whom you are showing this "religious worship" to. For the idea or practice of "religious worship" to God's Son, Jesus calls in the category of Arianism, which is still a belief that is practiced today.

You really have to be careful and not take the word proskuneo with a grain of salt, for better understanding of what that word means will make you very well aware of the word and how it is used in scripture and where it is used, for many translations tend to just throw the word "worship" everywhere proskuneo is even found. For such a word have several meanings, one of which includes the word worship.

 

That being said, the end goal of the Mainstream concerning the subnet I speak about is to give the intent that the King James Version of the Bible is the superior translation above all, even above the NWT, so much so, they have to ignore the history in order to prove it, hence their Agenda. They do this in a way to convince the masses of this, especially those who are not into Textual Criticism and the like, often times, cause confusion and a complex situation. There is also the Black Hebrew Israelites, of whom, try to preach an Englishman, King James I himself, was Black, when he is a Monarch, King of the Scots. The battle concerning Bibles and what is translated, etc. has been going on for a long, long time, it is associated with the battle that continues up into today concerning the 4th century.

[Space Merchant]

@Pudgy The other factor(s) is the fact people were still preaching, which contradicts Matthew 24 and 25. In General the Great Commission would come to a halt prior to the end. There will be a class of sheep and a class of goat, separation, etc.

Perhaps what would have made the claim more believable is if all Jehovah's Witnesses around the world at the time simply stopped preaching/vanished, sit in their homes to make it simpler. But....... That would be a conundrum of it's own for you have those who believe in the Rapture and or that people went underground because a Comet was to hit and destroy parts of the Earth to wipe out most of mankind, the International Destruction crowd. Then there is the direct opposite of the JWs which this individual, Herbert W. Armstrong, actually proclaimed in God's Day would happen in in the year 1975, but his notions was, should I say, very exaggerated, even including World War III. His theme was: 1975 in Prophecy! He did the same in 1972.

That being said, outside of Jehovah's Witnesses, from the 1960s into the 1980s there was mass speculation of God's Day, some attest to the fact it will happen now, others, it will happen soon, others, we do not know but it could. But the general public will assume otherwise. If we go back further in the past, things tend to be more serious, really serious during a time you can be caught up in a bad situation if you preach the gospel - being BBQ'd on a stake by a Pope with a Bible straddled around your neck. Some dark and wild times.

Then you have the Cults who jumped into this also, some infamous ones, such as Jim Jones. And the BHI who thinks everyone who isn't black will face destruction.

But those with genuine intent, truly await God's Day at heart because the world in the End Times is a tough and cruel place.