Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?

[Pudgy]

5 hours ago, Pudgy said:

… and as to the 1975 issue, photographs of a kingdom ministry I believe from 1974 have been posted here many times, although I do not have a copy on my iPhone, when the Society was commending the brothers who had sold their homes, assets, and businesses to preach the Kingdom message this time of the end.

Perhaps somebody here will post it again.

This makes it completely clear to my mind That the WTB&TS was in fact preaching that the end would occur In the mid-1970s.

JWI was there, and I was there, and saw it happen.

AND WITH THAT KINGDOM MINISTRY STATEMENT is the written confirmation.

And ( coff, coff ) I wonder where a lot of that money went?

 

I FOUND A SCAN OF THE 1974 KINGDOM MINISTRY MENTIONED ABOVE !

Here it is !

 

[Space Merchant]

5 minutes ago, Pudgy said:

I FOUND A SCAN OF THE 1974 KINGDOM MINISTRY MENTIONED ABOVE !

Here it is !

 

This was cited several times, but this is good - then again, comments tend to get lost. There were other remark on the pages and good that 1 John 2:17 is highlighted.

Srecko left out several parts of that archived article, and I quoted the rest.

That being said, the fact they were gospel preaching the commission around that is a factor.

[Pudgy]

Very true ….. righteous intent covers a multitude of sins. 

[Pudgy]

 

 

[Srecko Sostar]

6 hours ago, Pudgy said:

I FOUND A SCAN OF THE 1974 KINGDOM MINISTRY MENTIONED ABOVE !

Here it is !

 

Notice this:

... planning to finish out the rest of their days in this old system in the pioneer service.

Well yes, they point to 1975 as critical and final date. .............. Rest of their days :)))) not months, not years, not decades, but DAYS.

Do we live today in the "rest of days of the overlapping generation"? SM, Dmitar please some illumination from you?

[Srecko Sostar]

Mystery drone from Ukraine war crashes in Croatia.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60709952

Is this the rest of the days of our lives?

[Thinking]

7 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

This was cited several times, but this is good - then again, comments tend to get lost. There were other remark on the pages and good that 1 John 2:17 is highlighted.

Srecko left out several parts of that archived article, and I quoted the rest.

That being said, the fact they were gospel preaching the commission around that is a factor.

Yes these words encourage the belief of 75….it should have been stepped on instead….this selling of business happened in our area..some openly preached 75 was the end….probably much like the apostles on there first mission who thought Jesus time had come to rule as king….he didn’t stop them with that false understanding either..

[Pudgy]

As far as illumination goes, I suspect Dmitar would cast a dark shadow, even if he was on fire!

He is, however, a literal Master at adding insult to injury!

[Thinking]

18 hours ago, Equivocation said:

Oh boy. 1975 Again? 😕

All I would say about this is that there are some who did assume something entirely different about 1975, and the whole world ending thing for 1975 was drummed up through some people hearing differently. This is why even today, people are getting quite annoyed with the 1975 thing spoken by only one side who says they were right, effectively trying to defame JWs at the time. Technically, when it comes to these things some people (as seen here) bring up the topic of 1975 for one sole reason: to brand Jehovah's Witnesses as 'False Prophets' by their own definition, ignoring what is meant by the word 'prophet' and what was intended by WBTS publications, even during those days.

I can also say that the 1975 ordeal did not occur until the book, titled "Life everlasting in the Freedom of The Sons of God" was released; published in 1966.

I realize whenever the discussion of 1975 does come up, many things are taking out of context (even snippets), numerous times to make it seem that Jehovah's Witnesses at the time assume Armageddon would come in the year 1975, which is untrue because like I said, things taken out of context.

For example, often, if not most times, the quotes are never addressed by the one side party.

What I have listed here are several examples, but there are more, often times ignored, but they all speak in the same effect.

Now there were numerous people around that time, and there were arguments around that time and the people who knew about 1975 often times won out.

 

Further information I found, thanks to Quora:

 

But real talk though, I don't see why people try to spin it differently to make it seem that the wrong claim for 1975 to be true.

There are many people who are still alive who were around that day, in their experience who never assume what is being suggested here. And because of the wrong information being used to point fingers, it shows not only some here rely on a False Witness, but they are not being truthful in their hearts.

You can't really say you follow the Christ if you're one sided on something, namely shown to be associated with rumors and or speculation. To those people, you kinda know who you are.

Seeing the discussion on where it started, I already know the party who won that debate; and by winning is the fact that the other party cannot really bring up anything claiming Armageddon was said or written to come in 1975...

Jesus wants us to be truthful, one can't be if they're leaning on being misinformed heavily with a heart tainted by hate.

Good research brother !

[Srecko Sostar]

1 hour ago, Thinking said:

Yes these words encourage the belief of 75….it should have been stepped on instead….this selling of business happened in our area..some openly preached 75 was the end….probably much like the apostles on there first mission who thought Jesus time had come to rule as king….he didn’t stop them with that false understanding either..

I see at least two moments here.

First; You inadvertently (I guess) compare GB to Jesus. Jesus, you say, did not help the apostles to stop believing in delusion. Analogously, GB did not help to break the 1975 idea out of the head of JW followers.

Second; Why would Jesus not want to help his friends (the apostles) see the truth and the light? Why would he want them to be misled? What special value does cover-up about this matter have for the lives of the apostles and other followers? Analogously, does GB have "knowledge" that they don't want to share with rank and files JW members? 

Personally, I don’t believe GB knows more than other JW members. GB just has more ideas and more interpretations because it is their “job” to "survive", to keep them in position at all.

 

 

[Space Merchant]

5 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Notice this:

... planning to finish out the rest of their days in this old system in the pioneer service.

Which is the norm to those who adhere to The Commission, from the day they start to their last breathe, they eventually go to sleep in death and those who God knows to be with him, will be called by the Christ (John 14:13, 5:28, 29, Acts 24:15 [parallels to Prophet Isaiah - Isa. 25:8, 26:19]), the situation is a bit different for those of the Firstfruits, God's chosen. 

Do what is right in God's eyes, as is the Commission commanded by the Christ for the end of the End Times is near.

5 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Well yes, they point to 1975 as critical and final date. .............. Rest of their days :)))) not months, not years, not decades, but DAYS.

Rests of their days - an Idiom to natural cause - death. [To spend the remaining portion of one's life (doing something or being some place).] You do realize that people do what they do until the remaining theirs of their life.

Granted it states days, it can equate to months and or years, no one knows when it is their time to expire, so in life they take action, as we can see here as already addressed, in the 60s and 70s there was zeal to minister for the Commission, in those days it wasn't only the JWs who had this zeal, but those of the other action.

This is also obvious because historically, the 1070s was the Fourth and Final Great Awakening in which Christian zeal was in abundance.

5 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Do we live today in the "rest of days of the overlapping generation"?

This has nothing to do with the article concerning 1975, and I haven't seen that in the archived article written anywhere. Remember what Deut. 4:2 says and apply it.

5 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

SM, Dmitar please some illumination from you?

The 1974 archived article, a year and a few months shy from the 1975 narrative, was already addressed in the other page, although @Pudgy got the archived image of it, the focused quotes were pulled for context.

All in all, once again Matthew 24 and 25 as is 1 John 2:17 was ignored, hence why it was brought up once again.

 

Surely, you know how to read a Bible verse, Apostle John himself proclaimed until his exiled, until the end of his day.

4 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

First; You inadvertently (I guess) compare GB to Jesus. Jesus, you say, did not help the apostles to stop believing in delusion. Analogously, GB did not help to break the 1975 idea out of the head of JW followers.

Unfortunately, it comes down to understanding.

• Half believed in what was said in context.
• The other Half assumed otherwise and took action.

In both groups, the claim that this day/year would be it. Moreover them preaching the gospel would not be a thing due to Matthew 24 and 25 as is the verse in John. There was indeed arguments and debate based discussions with within the JW community due to these 2 views - hence speculation.

From what I am aware, their religious leaders at the time never made the claim, as did any of their works starting from 1966 (hence Witness' original post where her quoted stated they did - was wrong - I still have the links to the original threads). The End is Near, which is true, but the End being specifically 1975 whereas even a list of factors deem otherwise, speculation, hence why they addressed in later on down to human error and or understanding (the part you excluded from your source).

4 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Second; Why would Jesus not want to help his friends (the apostles) see the truth and the light? Why would he want them to be misled? What special value does cover-up about this matter have for the lives of the apostles and other followers? Analogously, does GB have "knowledge" that they don't want to share with rank and files JW members? 

Jesus was pretty clear when he told Christians to gospel preach, be committed to the Commission, and the the End would come, hence Matthew 24 and 25. He made that clear to his Apostles and other followers of Christ, for they were aware that the End is near and they must proclaim the Messianic Message as is tell people about God's Kingdom, likewise, with that information, it is up to the people to either accept or not.

It is more logic and reading comprehension, the thing is, would you allow the knowledge read in full context, or speculate.

4 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Personally, I don’t believe GB knows more than other JW members. GB just has more ideas and more interpretations because it is their “job” to "survive", to keep them in position at all.

Sadly, to your behest, they never made the claim. No one knows, however speculation can be drawn compared to most in that day who assume it will happen by other means; which can cause a domino effect.

 

[Space Merchant]

5 hours ago, Thinking said:

Yes these words encourage the belief of 75….it should have been stepped on instead….this selling of business happened in our area..some openly preached 75 was the end….probably much like the apostles on there first mission who thought Jesus time had come to rule as king….he didn’t stop them with that false understanding either..

The problem with speculation is that those who understand context will be ad odds with those in their community, which was the situation in those days. If you have one JW debating another JW on what was read and heard in those days, that in of itself is a dead giveaway that speculation caused people to lean on their own understanding of things, granted the 60s and the 70s concerning Christianity for both factions tend to a thing, and regarding JWs, they themselves were caught in this too.

As for the Apostles, they are good comparisons as is those that came after them. Likewise with any Churches that existed in the 1st century where some small/minor understanding seems to get the best of people. For example, The Church of Corinth. Another, Apollos, in which in that situation, people had their own understanding in which Apostle Paul had to deal with that situation where the understanding caused different groups in the church, Paul himself was notified by members of the church, namely the household of Chloe (of whom Srecko and Witness tried to convince me she was a church leader when she isn't.)