Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?

[Space Merchant]

6 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Mystery drone from Ukraine war crashes in Croatia.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60709952

Is this the rest of the days of our lives?

 

There is an abundance of Propaganda, this is why research is vital.

That being said, the MSM are speculating with this one - one says claim to be, the other likely, the other assumed to be, the other believed. One attest to the fact it is Soviet Era, the other of Ukraine origin.

I wouldn't trust the BBC if I were you because when it comes to a situation like this, they're prone to give bias, as is war mongering notions if the situation calls for it. BBC has been known to make mistakes and pushed as truth in dire situations. Not only it is bias, it is more Left Wing. I recommend looking for unbias news if research is something you cannot do.

Anyways, War is a sign that the End is Near, as is Famine, as is destruction and death, and in such things, people's lives are cut short (ending the remaining days they have left), directly or indirectly if they are in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[TrueTomHarley]

There’s some good stuff coming out of Space Merchant lately.

[Srecko Sostar]

46 minutes ago, Space Merchant said:

Rests of their days - an Idiom to natural cause - death. [To spend the remaining portion of one's life (doing something or being some place).] You do realize that people do what they do until the remaining theirs of their life.

I know that you are more intelligent than this what you wrote! Please don't use such model of explanation  which offends the intelligence of the readers of your comments!

[Srecko Sostar]

41 minutes ago, Space Merchant said:

I wouldn't trust the BBC if I were you because when it comes to a situation like this, they're prone to give bias, as is war mongering notions if the situation calls for it.

So you're saying the drone didn't fall in Zagreb?

 

53 minutes ago, Space Merchant said:

5 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

First; You inadvertently (I guess) compare GB to Jesus. Jesus, you say, did not help the apostles to stop believing in delusion. Analogously, GB did not help to break the 1975 idea out of the head of JW followers.

Unfortunately, it comes down to understanding.

• Half believed in what was said in context.
• The other Half assumed otherwise and took action.

In both groups, the claim that this day/year would be it. Moreover them preaching the gospel would not be a thing due to Matthew 24 and 25 as is the verse in John. There was indeed arguments and debate based discussions with within the JW community due to these 2 views - hence speculation.

From what I am aware, their religious leaders at the time never made the claim, as did any of their works starting from 1966 (hence Witness' original post where her quoted stated they did - was wrong - I still have the links to the original threads). The End is Near, which is true, but the End being specifically 1975 whereas even a list of factors deem otherwise, speculation, hence why they addressed in later on down to human error and or understanding (the part you excluded from your source).

Which two groups are you talking about? About two groups of 1st century apostles? Or about two JW groups from around 1975? Or both?

Do both groups have the right to consider themselves true followers of Jesus?

[Srecko Sostar]

1 hour ago, Space Merchant said:

He made that clear to his Apostles and other followers of Christ, for they were aware that the End is near and they must proclaim the Messianic Message as is tell people about God's Kingdom, likewise, with that information, it is up to the people to either accept or not.

Which End was near for apostles (which End was the End for them) ?

 

1 hour ago, Space Merchant said:

5 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Personally, I don’t believe GB knows more than other JW members. GB just has more ideas and more interpretations because it is their “job” to "survive", to keep them in position at all.

Sadly, to your behest, they never made the claim. No one knows, however speculation can be drawn compared to most in that day who assume it will happen by other means; which can cause a domino effect

They, GB, made claim how Jesus and JHVH have complete TRUST to FDS aka GB.

And as consequence GB calls every JW member to show same trust to GB because from GB will come "life saving instructions".

"Life saving instructions" in/for the time of global confusion and attack on JW members, it can only mean one thing; GB has a "special knowledge" of the end of the world in Armageddon. So who should believe that but you and JW?

Yes, they made The Claim......  But you don't listen? Or you missed the WT articles and JWTV ?

[Dmitar]

8 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Do we live today in the "rest of days of the overlapping generation"? SM, Dmitar please some illumination from you?

Now understand the context and you will be enlightened. Your focus on words is for the birds!

This just show how obtuse you are, and whomever I.M. you that page. For people like me that were actually there at that time. It was no different from a parent telling their child to go to Bethel and be part of Bethel Service or Missionary Service.

Therefore, you're foolish to think that you had a breakthrough with this none evidence by this article manipulation, taken out of context.

*** km 5/74 p. 3 How Are You Using Your Life? ***
Yes, since the summer of 1973 there have been new peaks in pioneers every month. Now there are 20,394 regular and special pioneers in the United States, an all-time peak. That is 5,190 more than there were in February 1973! A 34-percent increase! Does that not warm our hearts? Reports are heard of brothers selling their homes and property and planning to finish out the rest of their days in this old system in the pioneer service. Certainly this is a fine way to spend the short time remaining before the wicked world’s end.—1 John 2:17.
 

This piece of the article is alluding to people that no longer had home obligations, and they were no longer tied down by any family or business obligations in order to further their service to God as pioneers. Many of those brothers became Pioneers in OTHER lands. Even, young adults that didn't have future plans to marry would be accepted. You seem to forget, now many witnesses were around back then as compared to today?

IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 1975!! In that respect. I "commended" several brothers for doing just that. Becoming pioneers or missionaries in different lands. I still know a few of them left today. I also know many couples today that met each other in pioneer and missionary service.

*** km 5/74 p. 4 How Are You Using Your Life? ***
So, then, ask yourself: How am I using my life? Can I make adjustments that will enable me to pioneer? If I can, will failure to do so indicate to Jehovah that I am living to satisfy personal desires, rather than to do His will? 
 

*** km 5/74 p. 4 How Are You Using Your Life? ***
Also, there may open up to you the privilege of being sent as a special pioneer into territory that is not often worked. And for those pioneering, there is the possibility of the opportunity of training at Gilead School and then going on to foreign missionary service.

*** km 5/74 p. 4 How Are You Using Your Life? ***
There is another opportunity of service that we would also like you to consider seriously. And that is Bethel service. Most of you know something about Bethel. 
 

You need to tell your friend to do better, this one is laughable. 😁😄

[Dmitar]

7 hours ago, Thinking said:

Good research brother !

And yet, you still agree with former Jehovah's Witnesses assessment about 1975. 

7 hours ago, Thinking said:

Yes these words encourage the belief of 75….it should have been stepped on instead….this selling of business happened in our area..some openly preached 75 was the end….probably much like the apostles on there first mission who thought Jesus time had come to rule as king….he didn’t stop them with that false understanding either..

You're so predicable!! As a supposed JW that align themselves with false rhetoric. I believe you once mentioned the word disgusting.

[Dmitar]

1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

I know that you are more intelligent than this what you wrote! Please don't use such model of explanation  which offends the intelligence of the readers of your comments!

Then this should be something you should consider for yourself, when you post.

[Pudgy]

Dmitar:

You are the Global Poster Boy for “Physician, heal thyself”.

7 minutes ago, Dmitar said:

Then this should be something you should consider for yourself, when you post.

 

[Space Merchant]

3 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

There’s some good stuff coming out of Space Merchant lately.

It is essentially old stuff. The same remarks was made to Witness a long time ago in her original post for it, I believe back in 2020 another similar case in 2019.

[Srecko Sostar]

1 hour ago, Dmitar said:

Now understand the context and you will be enlightened. Your focus on words is for the birds!

Thanks for your effort to answer.

However, when you say that words are irrelevant then I disagree with you. Words are a product of the spirit (spirituality) in man. In birds, the product of the spirit is - chirping.

1 hour ago, Dmitar said:

Reports are heard of brothers selling their homes and property and planning to finish out the rest of their days in this old system in the pioneer service.

 

1 hour ago, Dmitar said:

*** km 5/74 p. 4 How Are You Using Your Life? ***
So, then, ask yourself: How am I using my life? Can I make adjustments that will enable me to pioneer? If I can, will failure to do so indicate to Jehovah that I am living to satisfy personal desires, rather than to do His will? 

Our friend SM has recently been using a counter-argument called - appeal to motive. What you have quoted goes in the direction that the JW believer feels guilty, that he is not doing enough, that more needs to be given, etc.

I wonder how many JWs are selling their homes today, quitting their jobs and going on missionaries? Where are the reports on that? That should be more than in the 1970s, because today Gog's attack is closer than ever. Instead, you go to houses and villages with the help of google maps or google earth, for 2 years now. But well, the covid is giving up so it will be different for your work.

[Space Merchant]

2 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Which End was near for apostles (which End was the End for them) ?

If you understood Pentecost 33 A.D. you'd know why the Messianic Message was preached, even before that, prior to Jesus ascending to God in Heaven, he gave a Commission for Christians to adhere to, Matthew 28:18-20.

Which reads - 18 And Jesus came to them and spake unto them, saying, All authority hath been given unto me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit: 20 teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I commanded you: and lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world.

Everyone should be well aware of what that entails, as is the events mentioned in Acts 1 and 2, which can be traced back to the Gospel of Luke.

Concerning the End (The End Is Nigh), Jesus and others alluded to this, but in Jesus' case it is in regards to the Signs. The term, even Biblically refers to potential apocalyptical and eschatological events (Biblical Apocalypse). Especially if one can grasp what Revelation entails, as is the visions of some of God's Followers.

Back then, from century to century and even now, it is not something out of the ordinary for a Christian to proclaim the End is Near all while still being alive. Granted no one knows the day, God could act if the given circumstances are met for it.

2 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

They, GB, made claim how Jesus and JHVH have complete TRUST to FDS aka GB.

Religious leaders of JWs never claim or wrote about God's Day taking place in that year. If they had, you'd produce the remark already.

You've been asked this, perhaps, every year now.

That is like be saying Srecko thinks a Ukrainian Drone is legitimate, when in reality, it is based on assumption due to the situation taking place. Or the events of Snake Island, etc.

I think a more simpler term would be jumping to conclusions, some of which, even got the best of JWs at the time, obviously.

2 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

"Life saving instructions" in/for the time of global confusion and attack on JW members

Continuing to adhere to God's Word is live saving. To go about your own understanding can cause problems in the long run.

If the confusion was global, it would have effected ALL JWs at the time, but the fact they were still gospel preaching, it also puts a stone in the face of the claim.

This is why when you asked where in the Bible does the notion relate to, I cited what the archived said, 2 chapters and a verse.

2 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

it can only mean one thing; GB has a "special knowledge" of the end of the world in Armageddon.

How can they have special knowledge of something of which was never uttered in 1975?

If there was evidence of them saying that, then you'd have a case, but whenever the 1975 thing comes up, no evidence to the claim is ever produced.

So it is almost a Hitchens's Razor type situation.

2 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

So who should believe that but you and JW?

If there was evidence to claim, then it would be believed, noted as a truth.

However, there is no evidence to claim, therefore, the claim is not only unfounded, it was false.

I had a similar discussion and debate elsewhere, but it was more inline with Inflation, for the latter didn't want to believe the truth when he was told differently.

So in short, we can't read things into something, mainly if Deut. 4:2 can be understood. This is a problem that most Trinitarians have also.

2 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Yes, they made The Claim...... 

Yet, they never said God's Day would 100% occur in 1975 nor did they write it down...

If they had done so, you'd provide the evidence to that, but this is the same situation as last time.

2 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

But you don't listen?

I do, and most of what I said is what I said to you 2-3 years ago...

2 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Or you missed the WT articles and JWTV ?

Ok so show us evidence that they proclaimed God's Day to be 1975, hence Armageddon?

Again, if there is no such evidence, we can't make such an assumption and rely on speculation as truth.