Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?

[Arauna]

16 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

We must stop claiming that we know the difference between a perfect man and an imperfect man.

Romans: But God recommends his own love to us* in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

To be imperfect is to be sinful.  All men fall short of the glory of god. Romans 3:23 ( we are all sinners or "imperfect" in more tolerable terms.)  To be a sinner means to "miss the mark" of perfection. 

I think we all understand these words. It is narcissistic to create a gorge over words....  that is a saying in my language.

[Dmitar]

25 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Interestingly, the word “imperfect,” as far as I have seen, is not found in the Bible at all. But we can find the term “perfect” that binds not only to God but also applies to humans.

Wow! So, you're looking for specific words now, in order for you to believe! 

What do you think about the context and intent are with the words "righteous" and "unrighteous" mean?

[Dmitar]

42 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

We need to start dealing with different terminological terms when describing and analyzing our own and others ’actions/words. We must stop claiming that we know the difference between a perfect man and an imperfect man.
If we are imperfect as we are, on what basis do we know what is like and what is the difference from the perfect? Based on speculation and interpretation, obviously.

So, you're telling God how to think now! I believe you just answered your own question about being in a sinful state of mind. The word imperfection is synonymous with SIN. All the human race is imperfect (sinful).

Besides Jesus; give another example of a perfect human being?

Therefore. @Arauna should clarify her commentary, or did just do it.

[Dmitar]

39 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

You seem to have shown SM what is, how it looks and where he can find the true and real Christian Order.

Anyone that follows Christ instructions and obeys God's commands can find a real Christian order. Those that do the same, are in unison with Christ.

[Srecko Sostar]

16 hours ago, Dmitar said:

16 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

I do not believe that women should be 'leaders' in a True Christian congregation. 

No, but you do promote there should be no leaders, or that everyone should be their own leader, like @Witness? Just like she confuses the word "oneness" so do you. 😏

So isn't SM promoting the same/similar, because from what he has written about himself so far, it could be concluded that his non-belonging to the "church" expresses independence from any established religious system. He advocates exclusivity for the Order based on Scripture. But he excludes his affiliation with the church/churches. Although every (christian) church is called to exist on the foundations of the Order of the Bible (Christian Order)

[Srecko Sostar]

15 hours ago, Dmitar said:

Oh! Taken out of the ARC playbook, how quaint! But, I guess you missed the point; that hypocritical court was implying, they want the Watchtower to give women the authority of an Elder to "interrogate" the children or women, themselves. 

In other words, the ARC is suggesting the Watchtower go against God's inspired word in those situations. Funny, when it comes to the Australian government policing themselves by making whistleblowing a crime, such as it did with their immigration detention centers, the ARC court had no problem with it. 😏

I don’t understand why you oppose the idea of women (JW women) participating in the survey and judicial process?
WTJWorg tries to retain the right of men to be spiritual leaders and to govern the Words of the Bible based on some biblical passages.

But on the basis of which biblical passages can women be forbidden to participate in investigative / forensic and judicial proceedings when it comes to CRIME? Or is it about SPIRITUAL CRIME when it comes to CSA and other abuses? Absurdity.

[Srecko Sostar]

1 hour ago, Arauna said:

Romans: But God recommends his own love to us* in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

To be imperfect is to be sinful.  All men fall short of the glory of god. Romans 3:23 ( we are all sinners or "imperfect" in more tolerable terms.)  To be a sinner means to "miss the mark" of perfection. 

I think we all understand these words. It is narcissistic to create a gorge over words....  that is a saying in my language.

So we have a scenario like this:

Adam and Eve are perfect. Angel xy is perfect.
Adam and Eve sinned (as perfect individuals) and were punished for slowly aging, getting sick, and dying.
Angel xy sins (as perfect individual) but does not punished to grow old, does not get sick and does not die.

What's this all about?

-Are there two or more kinds of "perfection"?
-Isn't the punishment for sin death?
-Does the Bible promote the postponement of the death penalty for sin?
-In both cases, is it not disobedience that should be punished by death?
-Why didn't Moses get the inspiration to tell us in writing whether God warned / informed the angels during the creation of the angels that they would be punished by death or that there might not be such punishments for them?

In the Bible, God has written that the impunity of the guilty causes the guilty to continue to do evil and that evil will therefore spread more easily and quickly and prevail over the good.

What message did God send to men, and what to angels when God immediately expelled the first people from Paradise and left Satan in his Perfect Family in heaven?

[Kick_Faceinator]

51 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

I don’t understand why you oppose the idea of women (JW women) participating in the survey and judicial process?

Exactly, going by the Bible’s standards if nothing can change your brother or sisters stance on their sin by speaking to them in private or by having two or three go along with you yet they still don’t change, you’re then supposed to tell it to the whole church. The whole church would include women participating in the judicial process:

https://biblia.com/bible/niv/matthew/18/15-17

But the far greater sin of a JW is not involving the saints that God chose in any of the judicial processes which involve actual forgiving or not forgiving sins, but rather 3 commoners take on the matter in a secret room:

“Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unrighteous, and not before the saints?” 1 Corinthians 6:1

And of course we know, once God anoints someone as a saint “There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” Galatians. 3:28

The priests are all of one body, male or female, they make up one body and are who Jesus put in charge of forgiving or not forgiving sins, but they are overlooked, actually, the proper word would be “trampled” (Luke 21:24; Revelation 11:2).

“And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.” John 20:22-23
 

[Pudgy]

Good Points 

The Bible says that any congregational discipline has to be done before the entire congregation.

Jehovah’s Witnesses do not do that.

End of thought.

[Arauna]

1 hour ago, Kick_Faceinator said:

you’re then supposed to tell it to the whole church. Th

I do not think it is loving to get the entire church/ congregation involved. This can cause sides.... a big boohaa.  It is not loving to expose any person in this way unless it becomes exceedingly serious.   Two or three is an exact number...  do only what the bible says..... and this 2 or 3 happens ONLY if u have tried numerous times to correct the matter.. between yourself and the offender. ..Those who know about the matter  are not supposed to talk to others as it can  become slander....... a serious offence. When it reaches the stage that ALL must know about a matter is when a matter is so serious that all should not eat or drink with such a person. 

[Arauna]

1 hour ago, Kick_Faceinator said:

Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unrighteous, and not before the saints?” 1 Corinthians 6:1

Do not take a brother to a (secular) court of law...... In the beginning of the forming if Christian congregations, all were (saints.) .... referring to the anointed.  All were anointed in the time of Paul.  One would really have to turn over every rock today to find an anointed or even 2 or 3 if only they were to handle a case.... 

This is why we have a slave to teach us..... and they act as administrators today ...... do u understand the practical impossibility if your suggestions? 

[Arauna]

2 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Adam and Eve are perfect. Angel xy is perfect.
Adam and Eve sinned (as perfect individuals) and were punished for slowly aging, getting sick, and dying.
Angel xy sins (as perfect individual) but does not punished to grow old, does not get sick and does not die.

What's this all about?

-Are there two or more kinds of "perfection"?
-Isn't the punishment for sin

Adam and eve started aging the minute they sinned. Sin brings death. They just took longer (950 years ) to die because they were perfect.... so it took longer. Satan being a  spiritual being started to deteriorate too. We do no know how.... but it will bring eventual death. He will live lmuch longer than humans before he dies. Having a spiritual body .... jehovah will destroy him before he dies by himself.   He was never immortal but mortal..... that is why God can destroy him. He has not received immortality.