Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?

[Dmitar]

28 minutes ago, Witness said:

I meant a physical address.  

An IP address is a physical address assigned to a specific user. How do you think, governments can trace an address to a specific user, unless you're suggesting you guys are excellent hackers, which would be difficult to accept. 😉

28 minutes ago, Witness said:

You would be very surprised at what "time" they waste causing havoc...through an IP address.  But, there is starlink....  If "they" were actually "false prophets" wouldn't Wt leave them alone as they do all other "false prophets"?  But, truth is a threat to one's powerful status, which should reveal just where the false prophets are actually are found.   

If you are talking about people trying to disrupt their online usage with garbage by spamming or hacking, then, yes! I can see there would be an effort made. That also depends on if the hacks are willful for prosecution. Then, it's a matter of time, when those losers will be caught. Thanks for the tip.

28 minutes ago, Witness said:

An organization? No. A building? No. 

This is incorrect, since a gathering is formed after 2 or 3, which now becomes organized, and the homes of the users now become a building of worship. You need to stop lying to yourself. With me, you will never win, nor convince.

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

8 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

I should not have said harshest, for you are one among many. “Shrillist” is the word I was looking for, the one most given to hysteria, overstatement, and over-generalization. I wonder what you would have said about Paul, who told the Corinthians to “forgive” that fellow who had been sleeping with his father’s wife. (2 Corinthians 2:7-9)

Are you then suggesting that Child Sexual Abuse is on the same level as adultery ? 

Are you suggesting a Pedophile should be treated the same as an adulterer ? 

If so then you are 'sick', and I am more than concerned for you. 

Two consenting adults having immoral sex is of course sin, but it is not hurting children. It is also not illegal.

Child Sexual Abuse is far worse, but it seems that you do not think so, neither does your GB or Elders or others in the JW Org.  The GB are only concerned when the 'outside of the dish looks as dirty as the inside of the dish'.  It's all about the false impression, and it seems you agree with them. . 

8 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

you would have cried on and on about how the real reasons for your departure were not publicized to your former spiritual family. Instead, they just accepted your resignation and moved on.

They were too frightened to tell the truth about my 'departure'. To the point that one Elder told my wife on the phone, that I had been disfellowshipped. Now if he told my wife that, knowing that my wife knew all the facts, then what is that Elder telling everyone else. More lies from a wicked org.

One point here though. The GB are obviously frightened to admit that people DO leave the org of their own choice.  After all it would not be tooooooo hard for them to say that 'John Butler has left the organisation'. 

9 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

It also doesn’t help that you condemn the Christian organization for any expectation that did not come on time, yet put complete trust in something not even hinted at in scripture—that a True Anointed will come along at the 11th hour to save the day.

Lets think about this for a moment. The GB and previous Leaders of the Watchtower / JW Org pretend that they are the Faithful and Discreet Slave, supplying true spiritual food at the PROPER TIME. But you criticise me for pointig out the FACTS that those Leaders have told many lies and given false predictions. 

Here is a little of my basis for The True Anointed. 

Zechariah 8:23 

Berean Study Bible

This is what the LORD of Hosts says: “In those days ten men from the nations of every tongue will tightly grasp the robe of a Jew, saying, ‘Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.’ ”

 Acts 2:17 & 18 

Berean Study Bible
‘In the last days, God says, I will pour out My Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.Even on My menservants and maidservants I will pour out My Spirit in those days, and they will prophesy.

Now I find that to be quite a good 'hint' from scripture. I'm sorry if you do not have such faith. 

 

[Witness]

1 hour ago, Dmitar said:

An IP address is a physical address assigned to a specific user.

An IP address gives the server's location.  Yes, if someone wanted to, they could track down the physical address, unless they use a VPN which changes the IP address.   But you got off on a tangent!  Pudgy said, "Apparently the “True Annointed” do not have a congregation, or names, or addresses", which is why I said, "I meant a physical address" when you made mention of the IP address.   

2 hours ago, Dmitar said:

and the homes of the users now become a building of worship

If we didn't all live in various parts of the world, we would make the effort to meet in one's home, but doing that would not qualify as an organization; otherwise it could be said that a group of people who may attend an event in a home, become an organization.  A building should never be understood as a "building of worship", since we are to only worship in spirit and truth.  The physical "place of worship" was dissolved when Jesus stated his words in John 2:19-22   We don't need a building or an earthly constructed hierarchy of an organization to have the spirit of Christ with us.  Matt 18:20

2 hours ago, Dmitar said:

You need to stop lying to yourself. 

I used scripture.  Does scripture lie?  

 

 

[Dmitar]

1 hour ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

Child Sexual Abuse is far worse, but it seems that you do not think so, neither does your GB or Elders or others in the JW Org.

This obtuse statement doesn't reflect the warnings the Watchtower has made to the public and the Christian Congregations before governments began to notice the harm that Individuals needed to be aware of and take personal action.

 

*** g75 4/22 p. 17 Does the Solution Lie with Psychiatrists? ***
The general failure of psychiatrists to appreciate God and his teachings on morality has resulted in great harm’s being done. As an example, the Long Island Press carried the front page heading: “Sodomy Ring Smashed. Group charged with sexually abusing youths.” The article said: “Four men—including an internationally known child psychiatrist . . . were arraigned yesterday on sodomy, sexual abuse and conspiracy charges involving adolescents.”

*** w79 2/1 p. 3 Is Faith Old-Fashioned? ***
LOOK AT THE FAMILY
“Only a battlefield or a riot are more violent than the American home.” So said a United Press International dispatch from Washington, D.C., as published in the Rocky Mountain News of Denver, Colorado. The statement was based on a nationwide survey of household violence as presented to a subcommittee of the House of Representatives. “Child abuse, wife and husband beating, sexual assault and sibling violence,” all were described by witnesses at hearings on family violence.
 

*** w83 10/1 p. 27 Help for the Victims of Incest ***
Help for the Victims of Incest
Incestuous child abuse is sexual abuse of children by an older relative. Usually, it is by a male relative—such as a father, stepfather, uncle or older brother. Sometimes, but much more rarely, it is by a female relative. According to the book The Silent Children, incestuous abuse can range from improper fondling to oral-genital contact to intercourse. Of course, affectionate physical contact between children and older people is proper. But when the older person finds these contacts arousing, or when he does things alone with the child that he would not do if the child’s mother were present, this will likely lead to sexual abuse of the child.
 

Therefore, the only ones that are sicked minded are fools that refuse to accept, they have nothing on the Watchtowers, moral compass.

 

[Dmitar]

35 minutes ago, Witness said:

unless they use a VPN which changes the IP address.

This doesn't change the static address, even if it's cloaked by vpn. Do you honestly believe the assigned address can't be traced, if someone had a mind to? Yet, the Static address remains the same while a dynamic address and vpn changes with logons.

Starlink has the same protocols. The only difference, the government subpoenas Elon Musk.

35 minutes ago, Witness said:

If we didn't all live in various parts of the world, we would make the effort to meet in one's home, but doing that would not qualify as an organization; otherwise it could be said that a group of people who may attend an event in a home, become an organization. 

A gathering of minds qualify as an organized meeting. You're beating on a dead horse.

35 minutes ago, Witness said:

I used scripture.  Does scripture lie? 

Since, I'm a Bible Scholar, your interpretation of scripture is false, therefore your application of the standardized Bible is false and the answer in your case would be yes.

[Pudgy]

Wow …. It’s like being at a sports stadium filled with Gomer Pyle and Homer Simpson clones ….

 

[Srecko Sostar]

7 hours ago, Dmitar said:

This obtuse statement doesn't reflect the warnings the Watchtower has made to the public and the Christian Congregations before governments began to notice the harm that Individuals needed to be aware of and take personal action.

Looks like someone dealt with the problem before WTJWorg, right? .... Long Island Press, Rocky Mountain News of Denver and the book The Silent Children. If WTJWorg noticed that there was a problem, how come they never addressed that the problem existed in their own organization too? Because there were documents about it that were kept by everyone in charge of it, from the elders in congregations to the archives of Bethel and HQ.

 

8 hours ago, Dmitar said:

the Long Island Press carried the front page heading: “Sodomy Ring Smashed. Group charged with sexually abusing youths.”

 

8 hours ago, Dmitar said:

published in the Rocky Mountain News of Denver, Colorado. The statement was based on a nationwide survey of household violence as presented to a subcommittee of the House of Representatives.

 

8 hours ago, Dmitar said:

According to the book The Silent Children,

 

[Dmitar]

45 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Looks like someone dealt with the problem before WTJWorg, right? .... Long Island Press, Rocky Mountain News of Denver and the book The Silent Children.

Correct, Child Maltreatment was a problem even back then. You had NUNS in the 1860s being accused of CSA. It took activists to finally bring the problem of CSA to the world by the media because of "child trafficking."

The Characterization of an institution is influenced by assumptions. The problem of CSA within the Watchtower was limited. However, child maltreatment was a small problem. I think the first recorded was in 1971, and an advisory was given to the Elders on how to investigate those allegations, without stepping in the legal system's toes.

45 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

If WTJWorg noticed that there was a problem, how come they never addressed that the problem existed in their own organization too?

When the Watchtower and Awake are printed, it's meant for everyone, especially it's members. However, as far as I can remember, It was a situation that presented itself, however rare, and it was handled by judicial committees and back then most of the time, by local police.

Now, are you talking about advertising it on a local newspaper? That was left for the District Attorney, and the victim, if they wished to have their story on the front page. You seem to forget, a traumatizing event is not something a victim would like other people to be aware of. But it was left for the Victim to make it public. Back then, the congregations would give out the reason for being disfellowshipped. Now, due to privacy laws, they just mention a person is reproved or disfellowshipped with possibly limited info or none at all. 

45 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Because there were documents about it that were kept by everyone in charge of it, from the elders in congregations to the archives of Bethel and HQ.

This depends on how you view the transgressions. You seem to imply this was something that regularly happened. CSA was uncommon. Child Abuse, maltreatment was. Let's get that finally straight. Therefore, it was categorized as maltreatment of a child. 

However, some governments have had some type of privacy law that limited the amount of information that could be retained, even back then. Now, it's an obligation. However, many governments still deprive the victim by having certain laws remain in place.

However, back then, the victim spoke to the local police, and then they would notify the Elders of the outcome. After, the Elders would continue with their judicial obligation to disfellowship a wrong doer.

The hype comes from ExJWs that insist, people got away with thing within the Watchtower. I would like an honest ExJW come here and tell you people why that person was disfellowshipped. That nonsense about speaking against the Watchtower, is an ExJW excuse. Someone like @Pudgy

 

 

 

[Dmitar]

To The Owner of TheWorldNewsMedia-Thank's

[Arauna]

12 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

uggesting that Child Sexual Abuse is on the same level as adultery

All sin = sin.  Lying is the same as reviling and adultery the same as child abuse.....  To Jehovah they are all worthy of death.  In this sense yes, all sin is the same. ... When we add the emotional trauma attached to it - some more egregious than others. 

[Dmitar]

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-28212710

https://www.encyclopedia.com/reference/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/child-abuse-history

https://www.livescience.com/34738-egypt-cemetery-reveals-child-abuse.html

 

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

5 hours ago, Arauna said:

All sin = sin.  Lying is the same as reviling and adultery the same as child abuse.....  To Jehovah they are all worthy of death.  In this sense yes, all sin is the same.

I do not believe that YHWH or Yeshua sees them as all being the same. 

Matthew 18 : 5, 6, 7 

And whoever welcomes a little child like this in My name welcomes Me. But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. Woe to the world for the causes of sin. These stumbling blocks must come, but woe to the man through whom they come!

Now just think of how many children, earthwide, have been stumbled in the JW Org by sexual abuse of themselves or of close friends or relatives. 

Whole families have been stumbled, or REMOVED from the Org by Elders, because of CSA.  Unless of course you believe that EVERY complaint and EVERY court case is a lie. That is what your GB would have you believe. And, that is why your GB's Lawyers settle out of court but put 'gagging oders' on people. 

That 25 year JW Pedophile Database in the USA seems never to see the light of day.  Very strange that other 'civilised' countries have released their data info'. 

IT IS REALLY SAD THAT JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES HAVE BEEN BRAINWASHED INTO THINKING THAT CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE IN THEIR ORGANISATION DOES NOT MATTER.