Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?

[Pudgy]

You mean the wild beast that attacks, lies about people, denigrates people for no reason to exalt them selves, and slanders them with false accusations?

…….  Whom so ever could that be?

Hmmmmmm?

[Arauna]

6 minutes ago, Dmitar said:

Yet, they quarrel about, who the wild beast is, lol! 

I have not seen any JWs here quarrel about who the the wild beast is - maybe  ex-witnesses. Our literature is pretty clear on who the wild beast is,  I did see some comments about the first two heads that is not in line with out teachings but as far as I know there is no dissent about who the beast is.

[Srecko Sostar]

13 minutes ago, Dmitar said:

So, what's the point?

Point is, among others, GB changes doctrines periodically.

By changing the doctrine, "prophecy" also changes. For example, when Gog of Magog ceased to be Satan and became a "coalition of nations" attacking JW just before Armageddon, and then in another context, "rebellious perfect people" at the end of the 1000-year Kingdom of Jesus, then the "prophecy" that uttered the "GB fickle prophet", changed too.

Ultimately, all that GB performs has no real value or significance, because the Bible urges people not to fear such a prophet. That’s another point, don’t be afraid of GB because it utters nonsense.

[Arauna]

12 minutes ago, Pudgy said:

which there is not a single shred of evidence their invisible kingdom with an invisible presence supported by invisible people, or angels as the case may be is completely indistinguishable …… Based on facts…… From a delusional fantasy.

I guess you do not know your prophecies.  There is MORE than enough biblical evidence as well as the reality of the events on the earth. The Great war was the first war that was called a WORLD war and also the weapons with the subsequent  world war (WW2) became more destructive and any war ever before - they killed millions more people in a short period of time than ever before in human history. 

 

[Arauna]

2 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

GB changes doctrines periodically

UNTRUTH! - Our core teachings have remained the same.  It is only interpretation of prophecies and illustrations that have been adjusted. 

[Space Merchant]

25 minutes ago, Dmitar said:

JWI said, 1975 was a prophetic mistake made by the Watchtower, which @Srecko Sostar agreed to.

I'm referring to a remark JWI said in 2018 in which Srecko agreed, JWI explained his experience around that timeframe of 1975, the 70s. Has nothing to do with any remark made here.

25 minutes ago, Dmitar said:

Both present and former Jehovah's Witnesses came to that erred conclusion. So, I wouldn't use 1975 as an example, since there is still ignorance here surrounding the 1975 event that the Watchtower itself had to debunk in 1974.

1975 was brought up due to Srecko's remark. The problem with it is EXJW made a bold claim concerning that year and their claim has been looked at as a truth. Yet, when people began talking and do the research, they see the cracks in the EXJW armor, so much so, even those in their own community were essentially attacked and or ostracized for seeing the so called claim to be false speaking of their findings, likewise, with onlookers.

Therefore, the claim that was highlighted in which the latter believes, is false.

25 minutes ago, Dmitar said:

That, Jehovah's Witnesses here will accept it as truth, even though that 1974 article stares them straight in their face, is a different issue.

Concerning 1975? The situation was essentially F.U.D. for some who heard differently.

 

[Space Merchant]

1 minute ago, Arauna said:

UNTRUTH! - Our core teachings have remained the same.  It is only interpretation of prophecies and illustrations that have been adjusted. 

I do not think he is aware of what Core Teachings actually are, hence the other remarks he made.

[Pudgy]

Oh, I dunno ……. Hard evidence like was used to ESTABLISH Christianity?

[Srecko Sostar]

2 minutes ago, Arauna said:

UNTRUTH! - Our core teachings have remained the same.  It is only interpretation of prophecies and illustrations that have been adjusted. 

Let it be as you said  

[Space Merchant]

1 minute ago, Pudgy said:

Oh, I dunno ……. Hard evidence like was used to ESTABLISH Christianity?

To this day the Mainstream still believe that they are like the early church when they are not.

[Srecko Sostar]

4 minutes ago, Space Merchant said:

1975 was brought up due to Srecko's remark.

Originally it came from WT publications.  

My first contact with "1975" came from the moment I first read about it in WT publications, long time ago. “Biblical context and significance of 1975 as a chronologically important year” for JW members urged by WTJWorg scholars.

 

[Witness]

1 hour ago, Pudgy said:

The battle cry was “stay alive till ‘75”

You can live it, breathe it, sweat over it, anticipate it, sell your house, land, belongings - and be complimented for the trust and faith you put toward the leadership of men and the direction of “Jehovah’s organization” – you can be a child of parents who received the praise for their faithfulness, and suffered the consequences later as they scraped to provide for their family -  but that testimony means nothing to SM. 

Not until a JW leaves and expresses that 1975 was another false prediction made by the Wt, does SM then take note.  That person becomes the liar, according to him, because Wt never said specifically, these words: ARMAGEDDON WILL ARRIVE IN THE FALL OF 1975.  The leaders manipulated the time period and the date.  They built up the hype in every way possible without targeting themselves (the upper echelon leaders) as the instigators. They condemned those who later left, because of the failure.  

Manipulation is a serious sin according to God. (2 Cor 11:13-15) It is called “lying signs and wonders”.  (Matt 24:24; 2 Thess 2:9)  It is blatant deceit; so to call the person a liar who can plainly see through the manipulation, tells me that the accuser who excuses the manipulation, and instead focuses on the person who knows more about living through it, or living under the umbrella of lying signs and wonders...shows that the accuser, could also be a manipulator. 

2 hours ago, Pudgy said:

The thing that often comes to my mind is the parable of the boy who continually cried “Wolf!!”, when there was no wolf.

 Can a wolf, cry wolf?  Of course!  They howl as a form of communication.