Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?

[Dmitar]

1 hour ago, Space Merchant said:

I'm referring to a remark JWI said in 2018 in which Srecko agreed, JWI explained his experience around that timeframe of 1975, the 70s. Has nothing to do with any remark made here.

Did I imply any different, or can you not read correctly? They both agreed that 1975 was a mistake for the Watchtower back then. They were BOTH WRONG, back in 2018 as much as @Srecko Sostar is wrong today. If @JW Insiderstill agrees with that false claim, then he would still be wrong too, today.

[Srecko Sostar]

13 minutes ago, Dmitar said:

Can I ask @Srecko Sostar? Do you know the difference between a command and doctrine?

Do not eat blood!

........ Sounds like command.

 

19 “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood.

............ Sounds like advice, recommendation.

 

Four main blood components and blood fractions are same as whole blood.

......Sounds like an expert explaining students of medicine what is what.

[Dmitar]

10 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

As imperfect people they continue to produce imperfect spiritual food with hilarious outcomes.

So, you think God is funny? Well, that's on you! If lightening strikes, remember what you said. God might not think your funny to denigrate his inspired word.

13 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

And JW people take this position seriously. It seems how they are aware of own imperfection and imperfection of their religious leaders, but still continue to obey them.

Wow! A Demigod complex. I'll refer you to the above comment.

[Srecko Sostar]

9 minutes ago, Dmitar said:

So, you think God is funny?

God for sure have sense of humor. Some aspects of his creation give evidence for that.

 

[Dmitar]

15 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Do not eat blood!

........ Sounds like command.

But do you know what that means? What does that initial? Blood that flows through a human vain is considered, WHOLE blood, right?

15 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood.

............ Sounds like advice, recommendation.

Does it? It sounds like a clear command to me. What do you suppose, "and from blood" do you think it means?

So you think, God likes playing games with humans?

15 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Four main blood components and blood fractions are same as whole blood.

So, what you are saying, medical doctors are getting fractured blood, combining it again to inject a witness with whole blood? That is a lawsuit waiting to happen. Meantime, NO! Fraction blood is NOT complete blood.

15 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Sounds like an expert explaining students of medicine what is what.

I think, science is proving to everyone what fraction blood is, and what limitations it has. The simplest thing for a doctor  is to give a whole blood transfusion, since it's the least cost-effective way to save lives, according to science. According to other research, NOT everyone can be saved with a blood transfusion.

Then you have synthetic blood that is in test trials. Some do better than others. 

[Dmitar]

3 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

God for sure have sense of humor. Some aspects of his creation give evidence for that.

I hope this doesn't offend you, but I wouldn't want to be anywhere near you. 😁

[Space Merchant]

2 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Originally it came from WT publications.  

My first contact with "1975" came from the moment I first read about it in WT publications, long time ago. “Biblical context and significance of 1975 as a chronologically important year” for JW members urged by WTJWorg scholars.

You alluded to it concerning prophecy, it being from a publication is irrelevant, and the response was the whole situation dwelled on speculation. Therefore the EXJW claim [1975 the JW said God's day will come; the world will end] is false.

The truth is concerning human history, nothing more.

 

[Space Merchant]

2 hours ago, Witness said:

You can live it, breathe it, sweat over it, anticipate it, sell your house, land, belongings - and be complimented for the trust and faith you put toward the leadership of men and the direction of “Jehovah’s organization” – you can be a child of parents who received the praise for their faithfulness, and suffered the consequences later as they scraped to provide for their family -  but that testimony means nothing to SM. 

Not until a JW leaves and expresses that 1975 was another false prediction made by the Wt, does SM then take note.  That person becomes the liar, according to him, because Wt never said specifically, these words: ARMAGEDDON WILL ARRIVE IN THE FALL OF 1975.  The leaders manipulated the time period and the date.  They built up the hype in every way possible without targeting themselves (the upper echelon leaders) as the instigators. They condemned those who later left, because of the failure.  

Manipulation is a serious sin according to God. (2 Cor 11:13-15) It is called “lying signs and wonders”.  (Matt 24:24; 2 Thess 2:9)  It is blatant deceit; so to call the person a liar who can plainly see through the manipulation, tells me that the accuser who excuses the manipulation, and instead focuses on the person who knows more about living through it, or living under the umbrella of lying signs and wonders...shows that the accuser, could also be a manipulator. 

Then would you be so kind to tell us what you told me a while back, that the JWs claim 1975, from your source (reddit) was indeed the end of the world?

So far the notion of 1975 is simply concludes to human history, as the EXJW claimed before the Cedar troop took him down.

[Space Merchant]

2 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Is refusing a blood transfusion and four blood components and some fractions a fundamental JW doctrine?

JWs refuse blood because of a law that is still intact via New Covenant. Even outside of JWs, people cannot give/take blood due to cultural reasons and superstition. Some Anti-Trinitarian Christians do not take blood or give it.

So in short, if a Law is still intact, it should not be ignored, therefore, it stands. There was an SDA who got into a heated argument with people, some who attempted use JWs as a shield, and of course, some from your community tried to refute these people, and failed.

That being said, blood transfusion is a gold standard, not everyone is for it, even the non-religious, so they look for alternatives.

As for Core Teachings, it involved keeping God's Laws.

Mainstream usually target JWs for this, as with those they influenced, the EXJW. They also target some Jews and some Muslims for they have a parallel view on blood.

Now if said Law was no where to be seen in relation to the New Covenant, then yes, that would be out of the Core Teachings concerning Christians keeping the law.

That said, The Blood of the Christ is valuable.

[Space Merchant]

26 minutes ago, Dmitar said:

According to other research, NOT everyone can be saved with a blood transfusion.

This is true because there was a situation not really known by the general public. A situation that was thrown under the rug and forgotten. Blood is prone to and open to contamination also.

Then you have the illegal markets and project Ambrosia, and the Religion of Transhumanism.

[Space Merchant]

1 hour ago, Dmitar said:

Did I imply any different, or can you not read correctly?

You were quite direct, I only mentioned as to what I was referring to, and it was not anything in this thread.

1 hour ago, Dmitar said:

They both agreed that 1975 was a mistake for the Watchtower back then.

The focus I was focused on was one's experience, in which JWI explained and Srecko agreed, which was in 2018.

1 hour ago, Dmitar said:

They were BOTH WRONG, back in 2018 as much as @Srecko Sostar is wrong today.

JWI was not talking about prophecy, more so experience. Srecko reacted in agreement.

1 hour ago, Dmitar said:

If @JW Insiderstill agrees with that false claim, then he would still be wrong too, today.

Perhaps, but the evidence to what I was referring to is below:

 

  

On 9/6/2018 at 3:34 PM, JW Insider said:

In my own experience, I was born in '57, baptized 10 years later, and had to read the "Life Everlasting" book as one of the two books assigned for baptismal candidates, along with the "Lamp" book questions. I auxiliary pioneered for several months in 1972, and quit school to regular pioneer for 3.5 years from 1973 until leaving for Brooklyn Bethel, where I worked full-time for 4 years, and then part-time, on projects, for another two while going to college in NYC.

I give this portion of my "resume" only because I can speak to the experience of being baptized prior to 1975, and was part of the Bethel build-up from the influx of workers and financial contributions that Bethel received around 1975. I pioneered for several years both before and after 1975.

Your experience may vary, but I can still tell you pretty much what I was thinking just prior to 1975, because I had to clear my plans with my parents, my school, and two circuit overseers, since I quit school while I was still 15 to begin regular pioneering in 1973.

Prophecy was talked about briefly, but it was more so what actually occurred that day. You, at the time, was active on the forum when the 1975 threads popped up, so you may or may not have seen it.

JWI was more concerned about honesty today, in addition to that he stated that no Watchtower article or Watchtower publication ever said that the world was going to end in 1975 yet @Witness, @Srecko Sostar and @Patiently waiting for Truth say otherwise, as with their community, with @Witness attesting to claim boldly. Then you have the Trinitarian Mainstream fanatics who come around, believing the same thing too, namely the Deserter of Christ, who was defended by the latter.

There were a few EXJW who broke formation from their own community, like the YouTuber I mentioned.

 

[Arauna]

41 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

God for sure have sense of humor. Some aspects of his creation give evidence for that.

Coming from Africa, I can attest to that.  We just arrived at a Safari camp when I forgot the kitchen window open.  In jumped a monkey and stole the sugar pot.  It lay broken outside the window but the two monkeys were sitting right in the sugar and eating it all up like a pair of toddlers.  Then they turned around and licked each others butts clean.  They sure gave us much to laugh at. Next day a warthog was walking around on his knees on our stoep (veranda) eating some carrots we gave him.  They do this in the wild as well !    I think we will have a ball with the animals in the paradise. Yes, Creation shows that god has a sense of humor.