Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

On 3/19/2022 at 12:53 PM, Space Merchant said:

If there is an Allen Entity, I guess one can say there is Butler Entity as well, but such an Entity is aware of his tenured sentience.

I still say I do not remember using John butler 2.  In fact I could not use my real name or my email address. I had to create a new email and a second user on my computer to be able to access this forum again.  That was how firm the action was against me. And all because i upset someone on here. 

But I can see how much it has upset you, that you have to make a big issue out of it. OR perhaps it is my personal thoughts about Inspired Prophets that has upset you, so that you have to try to change the subject. 

I can always tell when the 'opposition' is losing because they always change the subject or start to insult me  .........  

You hide behind a mask Storm Trouper but you continue to insult me. 

 

[Pudgy]

3 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Well I understand the difference that WTJWorg presents. By the 1st century some people could be “inspired” by God. After the 1st century, no one is “inspired” anymore. 

This is what WTJWorg teach. Today GB say how they and no single JW are "inspired" but only "guided". 

I have nothing to believe or disbelieve. WTJWorg claims they are not “inspired”, but only "guided".

The conclusion is that GB believes that the “gifts of the spirit” that arose under “inspiration” ceased in the 1st century. 

They do not claim that the "fruits of the spirit" are created under "inspiration", but that they develop with the effort of the individual through keeping the principles and reading the Bible and praying to God.

 There are different kinds of gifts. But they are all given to believers by the same Spirit.  There are different ways to serve. But they all come from the same Lord.  There are different ways the Spirit works. But the same God is working in all these ways and in all people.

⁷ The Holy Spirit is given to each of us in a special way. That is for the good of all.  To some people the Spirit gives a message of wisdom. To others the same Spirit gives a message of knowledge.  To others the same Spirit gives faith. To others that one Spirit gives gifts of healing.  To others he gives the power to do miracles. To others he gives the ability to prophesy. To others he gives the ability to tell the spirits apart. To others he gives the ability to speak in different kinds of languages they had not known before. And to still others he gives the ability to explain what was said in those languages. All the gifts are produced by one and the same Spirit. He gives gifts to each person, just as he decides. - 1. Cor 12

From this it can be concluded that HS determines what it will give to whom in form of "gifts". There are no such limits to the "fruits of the spirit", but everyone in congregation is called to overcome sinful desires replaced by "fruits".

"Gifts" are  something we received.

"Fruits" are something we achieved.

 

That’s the best explanation I’ve ever heard.

Simple, true, And ….. blissfully short.

 

 

[Dmitar]

1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Confused about such claim. 

Then it should be a point for you to research as not confuse such claim. Perhaps by reading the full article.

1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Let see how.

An idea can simply be people dancing around a fire in a festivity while they enjoy that festivity. However, how can you apply scripture? By understanding the intent of certain literature when they apply it with scripture in mind.

NIV John 15:5-8

5 "I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6 If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. 7 If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be given you. 8 This is to my Father's glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples.

NIV John 15:11

11 I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete.

1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Ah well. If we want more joy, we must add more:

-money to our bank account

-books in our library

-roses in our garden

.......... etc.

That is logic?

Commonsense should dictate, scripture is meant toward spirituality, not materialism. What does scripture say about such logic? I can think of several, how about you? Hebrews 13:5, 1 Timothy 6:9-10

What benefit would a person receive if they read the Satanic Bible?

Anyone can appreciate more roses in the garden. Do you think roses grow in Chernobyl, and Fukushima?

[Witness]

8 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

You also have to be very careful with Matthew 17:11 because a small misstep can lean one towards the reincarnation idea. Elijah had since expire

Jesus answered and said to them, “Indeed, Elijah is coming first and will restore all things. 12 But I say to you that Elijah has come already, and they did not know him but did to him whatever they wished. Likewise the Son of Man is also about to suffer at their hands.” 13 Then the disciples understood that He spoke to them of John the Baptist.

John came in the manner of Elijah, by declaring the need for God's people to repent.  That is why Jesus called him "Elijah".  

The last "Elijah", based on one "witness" that was seen with Jesus, also declares the need for God's anointed people to repent.  Moses appeared with Jesus, signifying the need for God's people to leave captivity.  Rev 13:1,2,5-7,10; Col 2:8; 1 Tim 4:1; Rev 18:4-8.

The symbolic "two witnesses" of Rev 11:3, preach in sackcloth because of the state God's people are in - that of captivity and sin.  

[Space Merchant]

7 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Nice, but what evidence You are able to give for proof? You just interpreted some verses and show how you do believe in their fulfillment about present events. You showed your faith as evidence for claim. 

Context of Scripture, when Jesus was made King, a war broke out in Heaven in which he and his angels battled The Devil, and Jesus' side won out, the Devil was, as the Bible attested to, cast out of Heaven, along with the Angels.

I recall this was explained to you when you assume Satan was cast out twice, when in reality, it was only one time.

As for those in Tartarus, they lost God's presence and evidently unable to possess abilities of which they had before, hence the verse in Genesis.

7 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

I can accept or denied fact that you have faith in things you spoke.

The context of those verses, as is the Hermeneutics of said passage is true.

Jesus was made King; Satan (spoke of as the [Scarlet] Dragon) and his demons were cast out after losing a War in Heaven.

Well, you do not have to do anything, I can simply quote what you said concerning the War in Heaven, for this isn't the first time this was discussed. You had made several remarks, of which is parallel in what you're saying now.

7 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

How can you prove there was war in heaven? 

The Bible was clear, especially when an Army of Angels as is an Army of Demons were battling it out sometime after Jesus was made to be King. Jesus himself was the one who led the Army of Angels against the Dragon and his rebellious allies.

The verse even tells you literally a war broke out in Heaven (Revelations 12:7) as is those involved.

[Space Merchant]

8 hours ago, Dmitar said:

There should be a clarification for better understanding with this statement.

The thing is I have explained to him before concerning what transpired via Jesus' Kingship, only thing time he is simply being oblivious, yet he mentioned the war in the original post.

[Space Merchant]

2 hours ago, Witness said:

Jesus answered and said to them, “Indeed, Elijah is coming first and will restore all things. 12 But I say to you that Elijah has come already, and they did not know him but did to him whatever they wished. Likewise the Son of Man is also about to suffer at their hands.” 13 Then the disciples understood that He spoke to them of John the Baptist.

John came in the manner of Elijah, by declaring the need for God's people to repent.  That is why Jesus called him "Elijah".  

The last "Elijah", based on one "witness" that was seen with Jesus, also declares the need for God's anointed people to repent.  Moses appeared with Jesus, signifying the need for God's people to leave captivity.  Rev 13:1,2,5-7,10; Col 2:8; 1 Tim 4:1; Rev 18:4-8.

The symbolic "two witnesses" of Rev 11:3, preach in sackcloth because of the state God's people are in - that of captivity and sin.  

None of this explains your reincarnation idea, likewise with the notion John surviving to near the start of the 2nd Century when the Bible was clear of his demise around 28-36 AD. 28-36 is very far away from 100 AD.

You are still confusing your John's, and concerning Elijah, that was already explained.

[Space Merchant]

7 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

You seem to pluck crazy thoughts out of no where SM. My 'ideas' are my own thank you. 

Because they are, granted, those who believe such abilities to exist after Apostle John, affiliated themselves with Mainstream ideas.

No one has risen the dead, healed the sick, transfigured and or had visions, not even the students of John.

The fact you mentioned Pentecost 33 AD does not help you either, for that was in the 1st century, around that time, Apostle John was still alive and well.

The Mainstream believes that the ability to do what is mentioned, i.e. Heal the sick, persisted into the 2nd Century. Even the ideas of which God can strike people now, literally, of which they still believe to this day, which spins a contradiction on the coming of God's Judgment.

Your own ideas? Better to lean on what God's Word attest to than your own understanding of things, which puts you in the same light of the Mainstreamers.

7 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

I still say I do not remember using John butler 2.  In fact I could not use my real name or my email address.

Unfortunately, there was a history concerning that one, as is Admin's involvement. John Butler II can be found via the member club list, whatever pertains to Admin is now archived. Granted the timeframe from your original tenure, it is evident an attempt of a comeback, was done, only for it to fail. For due to Admin's action, you may have done something that enforced the ban itself by crossing Forum ground rules.

As for the other remark, it is irrelevant, the claim of the account existing, was proven to be true.

7 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

I had to create a new email and a second user on my computer to be able to access this forum again.  That was how firm the action was against me. And all because i upset someone on here. 

Then you most likely crossed a Forum ground rule which resulted in the wipe of the second account. And it was hastened due to it most likely being an IP Ban whereas regardless of the account, if it is tied to an IP, it'll trigger something, notify an Admin, etc. Both John Butler and John Butler II were probably on the same IP.

7 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

But I can see how much it has upset you, that you have to make a big issue out of it.

I don't get upset. You claim such an account was non-existent, and the fact you didn't mention it again, I put it where it can be seen, nothing more.

That being said, such is quite miniscule, even the plea itself.

7 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

OR perhaps it is my personal thoughts about Inspired Prophets that has upset you, so that you have to try to change the subject. 

You are free to speak your peace about your own understanding, but concerning God's Word, no Prophet Inspired with such abilities exist.

Unless you can name one God fearing man now who can, raise the dead, so to speak, then perhaps your word is bond.

The only people who are supposedly known to raise the dead in this day and age are Ritualistic Cultist associated with Black Magic, but their machinations is associated with the use of drugs and toxins to fool people that they can heal and or raise the dead, aka Spiritism. Then you have the Mainstreams who thinks they can go to a Spiritual plain of existence and have visions, transfigure even; entirely false.

Prophets Not Inspired are essentially the Christians of today, those led by the Spirit to proclaim the Messianic Message, to make disciples, etc., prophesying God's Word. Vastly different from their Prophet Inspired counterparts as written in scripture.

7 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

I can always tell when the 'opposition' is losing because they always change the subject or start to insult me  .........  

I haven't changed the subject. You brought up 2 notions. I haven't brought any insults either.

1. Concerning Prophets Inspired

2. The account you assume to not be in existence; mask remark.

Granted you are using an appeal to motive, which does not really work if you are on the losing end.

Not to mention you were using your own understanding instead of the Bible. Not a good look, and anyone can discern that.

7 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

You hide behind a mask Storm Trouper but you continue to insult me. 

If I hid behind a mask, as you claim, I would be having multiple accounts/names and speaking in 3rd person, as what you've done, so much so, your plea was wiped out. For last I check, you had 4 names in a span of 3 accounts. Which mask is really you? Granted the 3rd person rhetoric, you are your own sentient entity, so to speak, and there are many examples of which you speak as yourself behind the mask of which you where.

I am simply Space Merchant (for the name and profile pic has a reason behind it), or simply referred to as Baptise, my actual name of which I mentioned before.

That being said, I am myself. I speak like this, I debate like this, and this is how I am, and I actually attest to solutions, I do not whine over things over Facebook (your realm of reality as you claim), for I take action, and so far, the things I have done has been working.

[Dmitar]

3 hours ago, Witness said:

The last "Elijah", based on one "witness" that was seen with Jesus, also declares the need for God's anointed people to repent.

This statement also needs clarification. Are you referring to the anointed only, or God's chosen people?

[Witness]

2 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

None of this explains your reincarnation idea,

This is not a reincarnation idea.  I'm sorry that you cannot see why Jesus called John the Baptist "Elijah".    I am sorry that you cannot see that another prophet calls for God's anointed priesthood/Temple "living stones" and dwelling of God,  to repent, a prophet sent in the manner of "Elijah".

It is written in (Matt 17:11; Mal 3:1-4; 4:5,6)  Although they have dropped it, even the Wt. at one time called its people  the "Elijah class", the very people who are to listen the prophet's call.  (Rev 11:1-3;18:4-8;14:6-12)

2 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

You are still confusing your John's, and concerning Elijah, that was already explained.

That would be you, confusing your Johns.   

[Srecko Sostar]

7 hours ago, Dmitar said:

Anyone can appreciate more roses in the garden. Do you think roses grow in Chernobyl, and Fukushima?

Vast areas of land in Ukraine and Belarus remain off limits due to radioactive contamination, but plant life in these areas is flourishing (Credit: Getty Images)

[Witness]

1 hour ago, Dmitar said:

This statement also needs clarification. Are you referring to the anointed only, or God's chosen people?

Yes, the anointed.  The apparition of Moses and Elijah signify the "two witness" call to God's anointed, (Rev 11:1-3) and actually those with them, in the last days. Moses led God's people out of captivity.  Elijah called for repentance.  In the last days, both "calls" are necessary to proclaim.    Dmitar, the priesthood (1 Pet 2:5,9) has been usurped by an elder body - a strong army that cannot be questioned.  Can you explain any time in the scriptures where God has allowed those not anointed to represent His priesthood?  This is why the messenger of Mal 3:1-4; Matt 17:11,  is sent to His anointed priests.  It is a spiritual restoration work of the spiritual Temple "living stones" of God.