Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

11 hours ago, Dmitar said:

You and witness seem to forget, JWs are the most persecuted earth wide;

Yes indeed, JWs are persecuted for being Pedophiles, persecuted for dishonest teachings, persecuted for their lack of love and lack of mercy.  Persecuted for crying wolf about Armageddon. JWs bring no honour to anyone. 

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

11 hours ago, Dmitar said:

No, but you do promote there should be no leaders, or that everyone should be their own leader, like @Witness? Just like she confuses the word "oneness" so do you. 😏

This is not correct. I actually believe that the True Anointed Remnant, Earth wide, will be used by YHWH through Yeshua, to guide true Christians.  It is true that I do not follow any 'Leader' right now, but i do believe the scriptute of 'ten men clinging to the robe of a (spiritual) Jew'. 

I have read that Russell did not think an 'organisation' was necessary. And I have read that in Russell's time each congregation was separate but with the same desire to serve YHWH through Yeshua.  

Harping back to the 1st Century Apostles as an example of a pretend 'governing body' is rather irrelevant because the area they covered was very small when compared to the whole Earth. In our modern day Earth, each country or area is so different that 8 men in America, that are not inspired of Holy Spirit, cannot possibly understand the situations of all Christians. 

But in truth there is only one that can 'lead us to YHWH', that is Yeshua / Jesus Christ. 

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

11 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

or whatever is left of them granted the EXJW community wiped everything.

I keep reading these words 'the EX JW community'.    Are you saying there is an Ex JW  'organisation' or 'congregation' ?

I have a daughter that is an Ex JW, and the only other Ex JWs I know of are on this forum. So where is this 'EX JW community' that you speak of ?  NO I do not want to be part of it, I just want some proof that it exists. 

 

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

11 hours ago, Dmitar said:

12 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

Now concerning the JW org, I do think that women could be used to comfort other women and to comfort children when a woman or child is being interrogated by the Elders.. 

Oh! Taken out of the ARC playbook, how quaint! But, I guess you missed the point; that hypocritical court was implying, they want the Watchtower to give women the authority of an Elder to "interrogate" the children or women, themselves. 

A. My suggestion wasn't related to the ARC. B. I never suggested that women should be given any authority. 

So you are wrong on both counts. 

But you seem quite happy for a group of Elders to bully and interrogate young children. You also seem quite happy for Elders to hide Pedophiles in congregations too. 

Some sort of 'Christian' are you ?  No love, no respect, no mercy. 

Matthew 9 : 13  Berean Study Bible  Yeshua said
"But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’ For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”

[JW Insider]

On 3/25/2022 at 5:48 PM, Space Merchant said:

This is known, but concerning the Pastor, I believe JWI is aware of this, I recall even at one point he attempted to contact Reslight (also called Reslite by some) who is a Bible Student who knows a lot about Russell. Although he disagrees with JWs on some things, anything regarding the Bible Students he will defend, but even in Reslight's case, EXJWs come after him, as do the Trinitarians, likewise with Oneness believers.

Perhaps I mentioned it somewhere already, but Reslite did get back to me with a response. And he also responded to a question I asked him on his blog. He is both careful and accurate, and therefore an excellent resource on Russell. He did not have the particular information I questioned him about, however, and he recommended another resource.

For most concerns about Russell, Reslite's default position is to defend him fully, and this is almost always the right direction to go. Most JW opposers (and Bible Student opposers) go for the more ludicrous attacks on Russell anyway, and therefore it's a safe bet on most issues to follow the information in the Proclaimers book and Reslite's information, too, where he can offer additional material.

But there are a couple of concerns about Russell that rarely get brought up, and one of these is the fact that Brother Rutherford claimed that Russell alone (individually - in his person) had been the "faithful and discreet slave" and Rutherford gave a funeral speech for Russell repeating this belief. This was in accord with Russell's own Watch Tower teaching about the "faithful and wise servant" for nearly the previous two decades. Rutherford also  published material about him clarifying that Russell himself accepted the title and would have claimed it publicly but that Russell's humility only allowed him to claim it privately.

This is not a big deal to me, but it is a minor concern, because the most current claim in our publications about this is that Russell "never claimed to be such" and therefore the idea is effectively blamed on others, with the idea that Russell only accepted this teaching about himself because of the undue influence of others around him. (See, Proclaimers.)

The actual history of the idea creates another minor concern about the current teaching: If Rutherford was one of those appointed by Jesus Christ in 1919  to be one of the select few members of the "faithful and discreet slave," then why was it that since December 1919 and all through at least 1927, Rutherford didn't accept this appointment from Jesus, but still insisted that ONLY Russell himself had been that faithful and discreet slave?

I have a feeling that the reason Dmitar referenced me with respect to this particular topic is because he recognizes the problems of these minor issues but he believes they are major, and therefore must somehow try to defend against them by making it appear they are just hearsay, not claims found in the WT publications themselves.  

[Dmitar]

3 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

Yes indeed, JWs are persecuted for being Pedophiles, persecuted for dishonest teachings, persecuted for their lack of love and lack of mercy.  Persecuted for crying wolf about Armageddon. JWs bring no honour to anyone. 

Come! Come! Now, your slip is showing. 😉 

Let's not compare your personal feelings; it doesn't make for a justifiable argument as a former JW full of bitterness and deception.😏

[Dmitar]

2 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

This is not correct. I actually believe that the True Anointed Remnant, Earth wide, will be used by YHWH through Yeshua, to guide true Christians.  It is true that I do not follow any 'Leader' right now, but i do believe the scriptute of 'ten men clinging to the robe of a (spiritual) Jew'. 

Then, how is this not correct? Where are these so called 10 men that you would follow? Are you suggesting those that are selected by God don't have your approval? That's quite a challenge. 😏

2 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

I have read that Russell did not think an 'organisation' was necessary. And I have read that in Russell's time each congregation was separate but with the same desire to serve YHWH through Yeshua.  

So, you think the churches of this institution should be separate like the Unitarians that you thought it was funny, with your emoji. 

You should reread Paul's letters to the churches when they stopped listening to God, and had become independent? A reason why Rutherford decided to return the unity in our institution?

2 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

Harping back to the 1st Century Apostles as an example of a pretend 'governing body' is rather irrelevant because the area they covered was very small when compared to the whole Earth.

How is the great commission, irrelevant?

3 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

In our modern day Earth, each country or area is so different that 8 men in America, that are not inspired of Holy Spirit, cannot possibly understand the situations of all Christians. 

Have you heard of a little thing called communication? How does the Vatican know what's going on within their churches?

3 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

But in truth there is only one that can 'lead us to YHWH', that is Yeshua / Jesus Christ.

So, you don't think Jesus is the head of his church through the Watchtower. Can you explain this?

[Dmitar]

1 hour ago, JW Insider said:

I have a feeling that the reason Ditmar referenced me with respect to this particular topic is because he recognizes the problems of these minor issues but he believes they are major, and therefore must somehow try to defend against them by making it appear they are just hearsay, not claims found in the WT publications themselves.  

Let's be honest with a none, JW. This is a false take on your commentary. We both know why you criticize Russell and the Bible Students. You made your past comments about the Pastor a major topic that it even made it to the apostate site AD1914. So, don't try to wiggle your way out by blaming me.

JWINSIDER #001: ALL aspects of 1914 doctrine are now problematic from a Scriptural point of view

This site now has permission to reprint various postings and articles from JWFacts, JWStudies, JWInsider, and several others.

However, I wouldn't praise your Bible Student connection. He's about as useless as B. W. Schulz

[Srecko Sostar]

On 3/25/2022 at 1:23 PM, Arauna said:

Humans have perfection to the degree that they can perfectly accomplish the purpose and morals as instructed by Jehovah.  Without Him they are following their own ideas and can become fallible.  Only Jehovah has absolute perfection which is infallible. 

I’m glad you’re talking about the perfection of people who are “imperfect”.

Interestingly, the word “imperfect,” as far as I have seen, is not found in the Bible at all. But we can find the term “perfect” that binds not only to God but also applies to humans.

Jesus said to him, “If you wish to be complete (perfect), go and sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.” - Mat 19:21

Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. - Mat 5:48

And let endurance have its perfect result, so that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing. - James 1:4

For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified. - Heb 10:14

All these being men of war, who could order the battle array, came with a perfect heart to Hebron, to make David king over all Israel: and all the rest also of Israel were of one heart to make David king. - 1. Chronicles 12:38

With the merciful you will show yourself merciful. With the perfect man you will show yourself perfect. - 2. Samuel 22:26

God is my strong fortress. He makes my way perfect. - 2. Samuel 22:23

etc.

We need to start dealing with different terminological terms when describing and analyzing our own and others ’actions/words. We must stop claiming that we know the difference between a perfect man and an imperfect man.
If we are imperfect as we are, on what basis do we know what is like and what is the difference from the perfect? Based on speculation and interpretation, obviously.

 

[Srecko Sostar]

16 hours ago, Dmitar said:

On 3/25/2022 at 1:34 PM, Space Merchant said:

It isn't that hard. But the main thing is the idea is to assume all Unitarians are the same.

Agree, however, in our institution, there is no such thing. Unity in Christ is appliable by Christ instruction and God's command. Therefore, there are no divisions or different churches among our ranks.

You seem to have shown SM what is, how it looks and where he can find the true and real Christian Order.  

[Dmitar]

3 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

I keep reading these words 'the EX JW community'.    Are you saying there is an Ex JW  'organisation' or 'congregation' ?

Yeah, there are several. Didn't you state you visit Facebook? You should look them up and join.

https://www.facebook.com/BrotherPoohBear/

http://www.evidenceministries.org/jehovahs-witnesses/jw-support-group/

https://www.4jehovah.org/how-can-i-as-an-ex-jehovahs-witness-find-a-place-to-worship-outside-of-the-watchtower/

You and @Witness would make a perfect addition to your apostate friends.

 

[Dmitar]

3 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

A. My suggestion wasn't related to the ARC. B. I never suggested that women should be given any authority. 

So you are wrong on both counts. 

That's funny since the ARC said the same thing. Maybe you just forgot where you got the idea from. Age does that to the elderly.

3 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

But you seem quite happy for a group of Elders to bully and interrogate young children. You also seem quite happy for Elders to hide Pedophiles in congregations too. 

Let's not make about me, since you are the one making false accusations about that institution.

3 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

Some sort of 'Christian' are you ?  No love, no respect, no mercy. 

I have compassion for True Christians. I don't bother with fake ones or apostates.

Ephesians 5:6-9

New Century Version

6 Do not let anyone fool you by telling you things that are not true, because these things will bring God’s anger on those who do not obey him. 7 So have nothing to do with them. 8 In the past you were full of darkness, but now you are full of light in the Lord. So live like children who belong to the light. 9 Light brings every kind of goodness, right living, and truth.