Not sure if anyone saw this before concerning the Rephaim

[Dmitar]

Keep in mind, hypocrites. I mentioned long ago I would be exiting this forum in 2023. I mentioned 2023 a dozen times. What I didn't mention, I was referring to the Jewish Calendar. When does 2023 start @JW Insider?

The Watchtower already knows about this site. That, no longer matters. Jehovah Witnesses have gotten a warning about sites like this in the last few meetings. So it's up to any righteous Witness to reject what Satan offers as Christianity.

By the Jewish calendar, an event was slated. Putin already made sure of it. Perhaps a week or two beforehand, but prophecy is not always precise when it comes to timing, not the event. That was already marked. Relevancy, @BroRando application of prophecy. 2023 is significant.

[TrueTomHarley]

54 minutes ago, Arauna said:

Apologies - I will not try to defend myself.  I obviously have offended you. Sorry. 

Did you at least read the above comments I made where I explained that these books are not worthy of studying in detail?

I am so sorry. Somehow my remarks did not translate. ‘Your remarks prove otherwise’ means that you are being modest, and that you obviously are intelligent.

The big dumb animals ramming each other with horns—does not include you. You are the refreshing contrast here. 

But now Dimitar is acting up in ways totally incomprehensible to me. Maybe I am not paying adequate attention here. But then, it’s not a particularly easy task.

[Arauna]

1 hour ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Dimitar is acting up i

He always get off the subject and then calls us morons. lol

[Srecko Sostar]

3 hours ago, Dmitar said:

The Watchtower already knows about this site. That, no longer matters. Jehovah Witnesses have gotten a warning about sites like this in the last few meetings.

I'm just wondering if they are listed by name at JW meetings?

[Srecko Sostar]

18 hours ago, Dmitar said:

Give the visitor a good reason why Enoch would need to be asked by God if he wanted to be translated

 

18 hours ago, Dmitar said:

18 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

As far as I remember Enoch asked God to "take" him.

Enoch asked God ...... God didn't ask Enoch;  Do you want me to kill you?

[Srecko Sostar]

4 hours ago, Dmitar said:

The Bible speaks of two men that were translated to heaven without dying- Enoch and Elijah. “ Enoch was translated that he should not see death ” (Hebrews 11:5),

1) Is this "translation" that is being written about happening constantly until today?
2) How many more people have been "ascended" to heaven since then?
3) Does that mean you believe in living in “heaven” for people who are not members of the famous 144,000 group?

4) quote; translated to heaven without dying- Enoch and Elijah - You commented that you do not believe in life after death. So these did not die but went to heaven alive?

Enoch was afraid of mortal agony, so "God took him" to go to "heaven" painlessly.
Jesus was not afraid of the suffering of dying, so God left him in the grave for 3 days. After that, he "took him to heaven", too.
He is not the ordinary God we believe in, is he?

[TrueTomHarley]

46 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

I'm just wondering if they are listed by name at JW meetings?

No. 

[Pudgy]

Reading through some of these comments it’s the first time in my life I have seen the word “translation” used to describe how Enoch was supposedly taken to heaven.

Without dying!

Gimmee a break!

I have previously been exposed to the word “transference”, or “transferred” to described how he was extracted as if by helicopter from his potential and real perils.

The important points to me were this…… the Bible did NOT say, repeat did NOT say, that he was killed. It’s important that the Bible did NOT say he was taken to heaven!

It makes no sense to me that Jehovah would save someone by killing them, whether they “saw it coming”, or not.

Because the word “transference” was used and because it made no sense to me the current explanations from any source, I got to thinking about what does the word “Transfer” really mean. 

What does “transfer” really mean?

The Bible does not provide an explanation, so what would a normal rational person with common sense conclude the word “transfer” or “transference” actually meant in context with all that was going on, back then …… AND The common sense explanation that Jehovah God does not reward faithfulness by killing the faithful?

I know in modern times, if you work for a company and are a valuable and loyal employee, you may be promoted to a new position in another town and be transferred there. They do not kill you, presumably, and they do not send you to heaven, unless of course possibly you are an astronaut, Or a cosmonaut.

Therefore it makes more sense to me to ignore all explanations that do not use simple every day language and simple every day explanations.

….. my guess is, and I’m going to tell people that what I “know“, is true to the best of my knowledge and belief and just plain old common sense, including that caveat, Is that Enoch was not killed, did not go to heaven, but was simply relocated or transferred to another location somewhere else on earth.

That makes the most common sense to me, and keeps the meaning of the word and does not assume things that are not said in the Bible.

Otherwise, you’re just making stuff up.

On a non- sequiterial related note, have you ever noted that representations of “ghosts” are always wearing clothes?

Where do they shop?

[Dmitar]

2 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

1) Is this "translation" that is being written about happening constantly until today?

In what sense. Are you referring to people disappearing, then they are found by law enforcement?

2 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

2) How many more people have been "ascended" to heaven since then?

If you are referring to the 144,000, none.

2 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

3) Does that mean you believe in living in “heaven” for people who are not members of the famous 144,000 group?

No! However, the 144,000 have not been called upon to receive their heavenly reward and service to Christ.

2 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

4) quote; translated to heaven without dying- Enoch and Elijah - You commented that you do not believe in life after death. So these did not die but went to heaven alive?

Did I say, Enoch and Elijah went to heaven? I mentioned to @Arauna she should do better in reading comments, since you have indicated it, now you disappoint me.

2 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Enoch was afraid of mortal agony, so "God took him" to go to "heaven" painlessly.

Where did you read about this?

2 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Jesus was not afraid of the suffering of dying, so God left him in the grave for 3 days. After that, he "took him to heaven", too.

You need to clarify this comment. God allowed Jesus to suffer the pain of humanity. Yes! He ascended to Heaven after death as a PERFECT man. Are you saying Enoch and Elijah were perfect? Do you believe Enoch and Elijah were distant to be a sacrifice for humanity?

2 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

He is not the ordinary God we believe in, is he?

This would be a decision you make against God. I would never judge God.

[Dmitar]

3 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

I'm just wondering if they are listed by name at JW meetings?

Not in meetings. In this case, they don't matter. What matters is the warning, the Watchtower has made by canonical law, how dangerous these sites are.

[Dmitar]

3 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Enoch asked God ...... God didn't ask Enoch;  Do you want me to kill you?

Can you post the reference, you are talking about? In Genesis, I don't see that type of reference. In Hebrews, it makes no reference that Enoch asked God, anything.

NIV Gen 5:21-24

21 When Enoch had lived 65 years, he became the father of Methuselah. 22 And after he became the father of Methuselah, Enoch walked with God 300 years and had other sons and daughters. 23 Altogether, Enoch lived 365 years. 24 Enoch walked with God; then he was no more, because God took him away. 

NIV Heb 11:5-6

5 By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience death; he could not be found, because God had taken him away. For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God. 6 And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him. 
 

[Srecko Sostar]

27 minutes ago, Dmitar said:

Did I say, Enoch and Elijah went to heaven?

I read that in your comment on page 3.