It's called, "You have a right to know"

[Srecko Sostar]

18 minutes ago, Dmitar said:

17 If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector. 

No mention of "apostates" here. 

How you treat pagan or tax collector?

[Dmitar]

6 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

How you treat pagan or tax collector?

Like a former member that lost their way, just like a tax collector or Pagan without repentance. You seem to forget, Paul was a tax collector. Yet, he repented. Now, use the apostate definition to reflect on the individual's action and behavior. Don't just focus on the word.

NIV Galatians 3:19

[Because of transgressions] On account of transgressions, or with reference to them. The meaning is, that the Law was given to show the true nature of transgressions, or to show what was sin. It was not to reveal a way of justification, but it was to disclose the true nature of sin; to deter people from committing it; to declare its penalty; to convince people of it, and thus to be "ancillary" to, and preparatory to the work of redemption through the Redeemer. This is the true account of the Law of God as given to apostate man, and this use of the Law still exists. This effect of the Law is accomplished:

 

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

33 minutes ago, Dmitar said:

Paul was a tax collector

Was he  ? I thought it was Matthew. 

[Srecko Sostar]

19 hours ago, Dmitar said:

Like a former member that lost their way, just like a tax collector or Pagan without repentance. You seem to forget, Paul was a tax collector. Yet, he repented.

Should this mean that the JW member should be acquainted with the spiritual condition of the pagan or tax collector and only on that basis decide how to treat him?
What kind of repentance is provided for the pagan and the tax collector to please the JW elder or the ordinary JW?
What should be the difference in the type and intensity of repentance between one who is a sinful Gentile compared to a sinful JW?

[JW Insider]

21 hours ago, Dmitar said:

You seem to forget, Paul was a tax collector.

If you got that from the NWT Glossary, you probably weren't the only one to understand it this way:

*** nwt p. 1707 Glossary of Bible Terms ***
Some were also members of the Sanhedrin. They often opposed Jesus regarding Sabbath observance, traditions, and association with sinners and tax collectors. Some became Christians, including Saul of Tarsus.—Mt 9:11; 12:14; Mr 7:5; Lu 6:2; Ac 26:5.

It's easy to misread this and come to the conclusion that Paul was a tax collector. But it is really referring to the fact that Saul/Paul had been a member of the Pharisees.

[Dmitar]

1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Should this mean that the JW member should be acquainted with the spiritual condition of the pagan or tax collector and only on that basis decide how to treat him?

No! You are reversing it. How can you treat a person without knowledge the same as a person with knowledge?

 

 

[Dmitar]

57 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

It's easy to misread this and come to the conclusion that Paul was a tax collector. But it is really referring to the fact that Saul/Paul had been a member of the Pharisees.

Funny how you like to through in your two cents when it comes to me, but you don't think of correcting others. Just wanted to see if you're still doing your foolish thing, yep, you still are. LOL!!😂

Now, how do you feel about Matthew?

[Dmitar]

2 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

What kind of repentance is provided for the pagan and the tax collector to please the JW elder or the ordinary JW?

You tell me. You are the one equating JW Elders to God. However, what does an apostate need to repent before God? As opposed to a regular person in need of repentance to serve God?

2 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

What should be the difference in the type and intensity of repentance between one who is a sinful Gentile compared to a sinful JW?

Do, you believe, repentance is the same? When one became a Christian and a part of Christ Body through the Church, which Christ is the head of that Church, then a member rots out, how should repentance then proceed?

[Srecko Sostar]

1 hour ago, Dmitar said:

No! You are reversing it. How can you treat a person without knowledge the same as a person with knowledge?

 

 

:))) 

God gave example and advice how.....somewhere in the Bible. 

But He was not speaking about them in relation/quality on knowledge but as righteous and unrighteous people. 

Obviously God is not interested into someone’s knowledge, but more or even only whether one's heart strives for justice or injustice. 

It surprises me that your level of wisdom ignores/neglects this.  

[TrueTomHarley]

1 hour ago, JW Insider said:

It's easy to misread this and come to the conclusion that Paul was a tax collector. But it is really referring to the fact that Saul/Paul had been a member of the Pharisees.

It does make you wonder whether outrageous Dimitar is really a Witness, though. I have never known any JW to think that Paul was a tax collector.

A result of absent mindedness maybe. But a misread of the NWT glossary—no. Not if he is really a Witness who goes back as far as he claims to. Everyone knows who the tax collector was.

[Srecko Sostar]

1 hour ago, Dmitar said:

You are the one equating JW Elders to God.

Apologize, not me, but Shepherd book does and other WT articles, persuade elders to be assessors of how "strong" one’s repentance is and whether it is "sufficient" given the "gravity" of sin.

[Dmitar]

18 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

God gave example and advice how.....somewhere in the Bible. 

But He was not speaking about them in relation/quality on knowledge but as righteous and unrighteous people. 

How is righteousness and unrighteousness, knowledge. You would need an action on behavior in order to achieve either goal.

20 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Obviously God is not interested into someone’s knowledge, but more or even only whether one's heart strives for justice or injustice. 

Erred perception. God's interest is salvation. How you end up with it through knowledge is a choice. Therefore, the individual decides on the merits of justice or injustice.

22 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

It surprises me that your level of wisdom ignores/neglects this.

It doesn't. However, I'm not a teacher, of people that believe they possess intellect.